What are you trying to tell me? That I can dodge bullets?

Originally posted by Juk3n
he doesnt have to, he just has to move a few inches out of the way, in a blink of an eye (which isnt that fast for someone with 15x peak human reflexes)..not that farfetched.

Kinda missed the point there, it wasn't about speed, it was about WO P not being clear about what she meant.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
EPIC FAIL. Comparing the real world earth to MU earth is like comparing Earth to Jupiter.

OH NOES, not an "epic fail".

scared

I guess I missd those issues where MUE didin't have people, buildings, cities, cars, an atmosphere, gravity a moon, etc, etc, etc ...

You really don't see any similarities at all?

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Originally posted by Scoobless

OH NOES, not an "epic fail".

scared

I guess I missd those issues where MUE didin't have people, buildings, cities, cars, an atmosphere, gravity a moon, etc, etc, etc ...

You really don't see any similarities at all?

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Er you missed the point entirely I didnt say that there werent similarities there are but its still very very different. Hell you could find a similarities between a human being and a pigeon but you would avoid making comparsions for obvious reasons.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Er you missed the point entirely I didnt say that there werent similarities there are but its still very very different. Hell you could find a similarities between a human being and a pigeon but you would avoid making comparsions for obvious reasons.

I know what your point was but I'm bored of people constantly falling back on the tired old defense of "physics is different cos it's comics" every time they find something they can't make a logical case to explain.

What makes it even more tiresome is that they'll argue all day and night around here about every other aspect of Marvel/DC but the moment they don't know how to defend their point it's back to "comics aren't supposed to make sense" or some other lazy BS.

Stan Lee deliberately set out to put his characters in real world locations to make it easier for people to relate (mainly New York because that's what he's most familiar with)

Of what relevance is Spider-man to this thread btw? He's got superhuman speed, etc. His speed is so much greater than that of these "street level" humans.

Not sure if this is in line with the threads purpose..but an artist drawing a street leveler dodging a bullet after its fired...and its been done enough times to warrant a feat...then they can dodge bullets,when people make thier own comics then they can decide what can and cant be done....i have only published one story for D&D...but to hell with anyone who says i cant write a comic where heroes thru repitition and training cant dodge bullets...there is enough in our real world we cant explain..and to try and dictate what an artist and writer put on paper is ridiculous i.m.o

Originally posted by Scoobless
I know what your point was but I'm bored of people constantly falling back on the tired old defense of "physics is different cos it's comics" every time they find something they can't make a logical case to explain.

What makes it even more tiresome is that they'll argue all day and night around here about every other aspect of Marvel/DC but the moment they don't know how to defend their point it's back to "comics aren't supposed to make sense" or some other lazy BS.

If the physics are demonstrably different I don't see why it isn't a valid argument. Consistency is the only important part, if a character is dodging bullets after they get fired or out running them or seeing them in motion then that's what they're doing unless we see evidence within the world that something different is happening.

Sentry has gone faster than light without becoming more massive than the universe, I don't see why Cap can't dodge bullets.

Originally posted by Scoobless
I know what your point was but I'm bored of people constantly falling back on the tired old defense of "physics is different cos it's comics" every time they find something they can't make a logical case to explain.

What makes it even more tiresome is that they'll argue all day and night around here about every other aspect of Marvel/DC but the moment they don't know how to defend their point it's back to "comics aren't supposed to make sense" or some other lazy BS.

Stan Lee deliberately set out to put his characters in real world locations to make it easier for people to relate (mainly New York because that's what he's most familiar with)

It's not a bs answer, they're comics, it's art and marvel/dc universe are fantasy worlds. Fantastic, impossible, incredible things happen there, things we all know are not really happening, and things we know are not strictly possible. You are trying to do the impossible by justifying fantasy world physics by real world standards, this is becoming a circular argument really. To quote the masses "Shit happens" dude.

If you go around thinking you're the only sane man because technically Daredevil shouldn't be able to dodge a bullet, and if he does it's just retarded and crazy, then what the hell are you doing reading comics?

SRSLY?

Originally posted by Juk3n
It's not a bs answer, they're comics, it's art and marvel/dc universe are fantasy worlds. Fantastic, impossible, incredible things happen there, things we all know are not really happening, and things we know are not strictly possible. You are trying to do the impossible by justifying fantasy world physics by real world standards, this is becoming a circular argument really. To quote the masses "Shit happens" dude.

If you go around thinking you're the only sane man because technically Daredevil shouldn't be able to dodge a bullet, and if he does it's just retarded and crazy, then what the hell are you doing reading comics?

SRSLY?

Actually, DareDevil is one of the few street level characters I could accept would be able to accomplish that feat (through the use of his senses telling him about the aim and exact timing of the human firing the weapon rather than actually being faster than a projectile travelling at thousands of miles per hour)

Originally posted by starlock
Not sure if this is in line with the threads purpose..but an artist drawing a street leveler dodging a bullet after its fired...and its been done enough times to warrant a feat...then they can dodge bullets

The thread is/was mainly about the terminology of "dodging bullets" (rather than just not getting hit) in regards to characters who have no physical enhancements to categorise them as "super human" (esp in regards to speed)

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Consistency is the only important part

That is my point.

A lot of characters that people claim can "dodge" bullets are consistantly shown to be struck by much slower moving objects and people.

So, people are saying that Steve Rogers can outrun a bullet? So if Steve and a gun were next to each other, the gun was fired and Steve started running, he'd beat the bullet in a race? dur

Originally posted by Badabing
So, people are saying that Steve Rogers can outrun a bullet? So if Steve and a gun were next to each other, the gun was fired and Steve started running, he'd beat the bullet in a race? dur

Hell Yeah! Accept the truth, hater uhuh

Originally posted by Scoobless

That is my point.

A lot of characters that people claim can "dodge" bullets are consistantly shown to be struck by much slower moving objects and people.

dude, thats like saying "flash moving at lightspeed is PIS, cos he gets tagged regularly"

i mean Superman is faster than a speeding bullet, yet Batman has put him on his ass..

what fun would a Flash comic be if he constantly moved the fastest he could possibly move, maximum warp for 1 page and the story is wrapped up in a blur of red.

PIS dictates Faster characters get tagged, and as for streets and low meta fighters getting tagged, a bullet dodge is a quick/snap movement, a reaction, not a series of movements like throwing a left hook followed by a roundhouse kick or somthing. Wolverine may find it a little more convenient to roll with a puch to counter than to dodge and leave himself open or somthing along those lines, a block may leave Cap in a better striking position than a dodge. Hope you see what i mean, im bad at explaining things.

anyone watch equilibrium? awesome

seriously though, i'm pretty sure most bullet dodging is due to bad guys having a shitty aim and the hero moving out of the way of where they think the bullet that hasnt been fired yet is going to end up...

Originally posted by Badabing
So, people are saying that Steve Rogers can outrun a bullet? So if Steve and a gun were next to each other, the gun was fired and Steve started running, he'd beat the bullet in a race? dur

Apparently. facepalm

Originally posted by Badabing
So, people are saying that Steve Rogers can outrun a bullet? So if Steve and a gun were next to each other, the gun was fired and Steve started running, he'd beat the bullet in a race? dur

Actuakky ist showed was Cap out running a bullet for a split second. That doesnt mean he can beat it in a race. mantis has done the same before her upgrade.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Hell Yeah! Accept the truth, hater uhuh

Originally posted by Philosophía
Apparently. facepalm

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Actuakky ist showed was Cap out running a bullet for a split second. That doesnt mean he can beat it in a race. mantis has done the same before her upgrade.

Bullets job in comics. People like Bats and Cap are so well trained that bullets know they'll fail even before they're even shot.

Originally posted by Badabing
Bullets job in comics. People like Bats and Cap are so well trained that bullets know they'll fail even before they're even shot.

Great I still dont have a problem with Cap outrunning a bullet for a split second.

Originally posted by Scoobless

That is my point.

A lot of characters that people claim can "dodge" bullets are consistantly shown to be struck by much slower moving objects and people.

Well even if they are dodging the aim of gunmen it could still be argued that they shouldnt get hit by slower moving objects because they should still be able to predict where the arrow or punch is going to go.

Originally posted by NiñoAraña
not disagreeing on anything other then this....wouldn't SMs spider-sense in essense actually allow him to dodge bullets? i mean, if it's coming at him, wouldn't he see it in enough time to "dodge"? instead of moving out of the way before it is shot?

Besides, there have been times where his Spider-Sense wasn't in use, and he still dodged them.
The Spider-Sense tells him where the bullet is. The physical challenge of actually moving out of the way of the bullet is how he dodges them.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
While I agree completely with what you're saying, I just want to say that Spider-Man actually HAS dodged a bullet that was already on it's path towards him. I'm looking for the scan now. But he was standing still, the bullet was fired, and it was still in mid-air, about half-way to him, before he started to move. I'll keep looking for it.

But you're right on about everyone else. Kudos.

Yup. All of his points work except for the Spider-Man one.

Originally posted by Raoul
anyone watch equilibrium? awesome

seriously though, i'm pretty sure most bullet dodging is due to bad guys having a shitty aim and the hero moving out of the way of where they think the bullet that hasnt been fired yet is going to end up...

One bad word about Equilibrium and it's on uhuh