What are you trying to tell me? That I can dodge bullets?

Originally posted by Mr. Rhythmic
Besides, there have been times where his Spider-Sense wasn't in use, and he still dodged them.
The Spider-Sense tells him where the bullet is. The physical challenge of actually moving out of the way of the bullet is how he dodges them.

Actually the Spider-Sense shouldn't tell him where the bullet is. It shouldn't really even tell him the nature of the danger. I'm looking at my Spidey handbook (Pre-The Other: Evolve or Die) and it says that the Spider-Sense only tells him, instinctively what action to take in order to avoid the danger.

It's not like Daredevil's radar where he has an awareness of his surroundings that allows him to take a course of action (say Daredevil becomes aware, due to his radar of a Sniper, he decides to duck to avoid) The Spider Sense just tells him what course of action to take ( Spidey isn't necessarily aware of the sniper, his Spider-Sense would just scream duck)

That's supposed to be the reason why Carnage and Venom can bypass it, because the symbiotes are connected to Spidey on the same instinctive level.

Originally posted by willRules
Actually the Spider-Sense shouldn't tell him where the bullet is. It shouldn't really even tell him the nature of the danger. I'm looking at my Spidey handbook (Pre-The Other: Evolve or Die) and it says that the Spider-Sense only tells him, instinctively what action to take in order to avoid the danger.

It's not like Daredevil's radar where he has an awareness of his surroundings that allows him to take a course of action (say Daredevil becomes aware, due to his radar of a Sniper, he decides to duck to avoid) The Spider Sense just tells him what course of action to take ( Spidey isn't necessarily aware of the sniper, his Spider-Sense would just scream duck)

That's supposed to be the reason why Carnage and Venom can bypass it, because the symbiotes are connected to Spidey on the same instinctive level.

Yeah, but it changes from writer to writer ... I'm not sure any two of them agree on exactly how it's supposed to work.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Yeah, but it changes from writer to writer ... I'm not sure any two of them agree on exactly how it's supposed to work.

True. But it wouldn't make sense if it told him the exact nature of the threat. Otherwise Spidey would have caught the villains in disguise immediately. His spidey sense only buzzes when they are carrying a concealed weapon but goes crazy when someone's shooting at him ✅

I agree it's down to the writer but I'm just arguing for the sake of continuity ✅

Characters who shouldn't dodge bullets can dodge bullets if the writer of that particular comic likes to rely on science for certain important things.

There are ways to explain it allot of the time but sometimes its just the writer doing what he wants and not what science says.

i saw a 'quicksilver' feat for woleverine in his respect thread:

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/1990/energydodge2.jpg

am i wrong to think its quite innaccurate potaryal of wolverines powers? tbh i dont think any with wolverine/SM speed can do that?

i must admit that does look quick

Originally posted by ankur29
i saw a 'quicksilver' feat for woleverine in his respect thread:

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/1990/energydodge2.jpg

am i wrong to think its quite innaccurate potaryal of wolverines powers? tbh i dont think any with wolverine/SM speed can do that?

i must admit that does look quick

When you add that feat to other numerous feats describing how fast he moved..and how he moved and noone could tell where he went..it starts to add up.... 😕

Originally posted by starlock
When you add that feat to other numerous feats describing how fast he moved..and how he moved and noone could tell where he went..it starts to add up.... 😕

i dunno , i think the feat itself is actaully much less than the art tries to show , i mean logan dodges lasers regularlly , but a quicksilver like blur? then whos to say logan can't move at quicksilver like speed?

the art might be a bit over ambiguous

Originally posted by willRules
True. But it wouldn't make sense if it told him the exact nature of the threat. Otherwise Spidey would have caught the villains in disguise immediately. His spidey sense only buzzes when they are carrying a concealed weapon but goes crazy when someone's shooting at him ✅

No, I've definitely seen him use it to locate disguised villains before. And he has used it many times in darkness/smoke cover to accurately tell exactly where to aim webs/throw punches/etc.

Originally posted by Scoobless
No, I've definitely seen him use it to locate disguised villains before. And he has used it many times in darkness/smoke cover to accurately tell exactly where to aim webs/throw punches/etc.

Well I was quoting from a Marvel handbook that dates up to about 6 or 7 years ago, so it obviously wasn't taking into consideration anything after then. However it did state that Peter doesn't know the nature of a threat, just how to avoid it. It's instinctive. ✅

Originally posted by ankur29
i saw a 'quicksilver' feat for woleverine in his respect thread:

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/1990/energydodge2.jpg

am i wrong to think its quite innaccurate potaryal of wolverines powers? tbh i dont think any with wolverine/SM speed can do that?

i must admit that does look quick

Not at all. He done similar many many times.

He moved so fast the human eye could not see him, he moved so fast pylocke brain could barly regester the movements, he look like blurs or simply not able to be seen numerous times, he speed blizt quite a bit

the characters mentioned in the opening post have been shown dodging bullets on panel ( Wolverine not sure, not like he needs to). hell. even Hulk caught one in his teeth point blank. no ones trying to fool anyone. they did.

This thread was awesome.

Willrules and Scoob were great.

Originally posted by Scoobless
No, I've definitely seen him use it to locate disguised villains before. And he has used it many times in darkness/smoke cover to accurately tell exactly where to aim webs/throw punches/etc.

As with most vaguely-defined powers in the hands of many different writers, it's inconsistent.

Why bother replying to someone that hasn't been on this forum since Jan 6th, 2013.

Its an interesting thread with some nice sig pics...?

What does that have to do with what Endless Mike was replying too?

Originally posted by Scoobless

There is a great misconception amongst many KMC members over who exactly can and cannot "dodge bullets"

Characters such as DareDevil, Wolverine, Batman, Captain America, etc, etc... all have managed to fool people into believing that they can "dodge" bullets... this is simply not possible, while yes, they do avoid being hit on a consistent basis, they are not actually dodging bullets, they are merely avoiding the aim of the person firing at them.

High velocity rifle fire can travel at over 3,000 mph (over mach 4) which is obviously way too fast for any non-speedster to avoid if it's on target when fired.

I've even heard people state that "Wolverine (or whoever) dodges lasers all the time" which is even more ludicrous... once again they are only avoiding the aim of the person/machine behind the weapon.

Spider-Man is another character people claim can "dodge" bullets and that he does it more often than any other character "proving" that he can... once again this is not the case... his spider-sense lets him know when he is about to be fired at and his superhuman speed allows him to easily move from that location before the shooter can even pull the trigger

I know this thread is fairly pointless... but I don't care... the growing number of fanboys on the comic forums who constantly state that "(insert name here) can dodge bullets/lasers" is mind-boggling

The characters who actually can "dodge" a bullet after it has been fired include Superman, the Flash, Quicksilver(classic), Speed Demon, etc... basically people who can move and react at the speeds necessary to avoid a projectile travelling anywhere between mach 0.5 to mach 4.5

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http://www.reloadbench.com/gloss/conv.html

I don't agree even though in some showings it does imply this I've argued that its possible for a street leveller to move over very small distances anywhere under the speed of sound (I think 600 mph would be too much but 500 IMO is plausible). I think there have been recording of people throwing bats or throwing punches around the 100 mph mark (yea I know its not the same as moving you whole body but at least it could be argued that a street leveller could at least lean to one side). So yeah I could see somebody like Cap being able to do that 4 times or 5 times faster.

This reminds me of something I was meaning to bring up. How hard do you think Cap could punch?

Lets agree that Caps max strength level is 2 tons. That means Cap can punch with 1 ton of force with one hand however lets say that Cap can throw a punch at 400 mph. Lets include martial arts technique, one technique is that when you throw a punch you use your whole body and not just your arms, so you make sure you swing your hips and use your legs and lean in when you throw a punch. If done correctly maybe that could translate into 5 (4 tons includes leg strength) tons X 400 mph.

However even though Cap is not Shang chi he can still use chi, I'm not sure how to put this into a mathematical equation. So I suggest this...another technique is to exert as much force in the smallest area possible. You get the idea, force concentrated on a small area does more damage than if its spread out. Lets assume that Cap since he's one of earths greatest combatants can shrink this to a needle point.

Look I can't calculate this but it's gonna be something like this.

4tons X 400 mph X needles edge surface area =how much force?

I have a feeling that the calculation is going to be insane and could explain how somebody like Cap could actually hurt or stun a class 100.

Originally posted by Kazenji
What does that have to do with what Endless Mike was replying too?

It was bumped by someone else

You can always PM him and ask. OR accept my guess as viable. OR keep being contrary towards me.

Your call. I'm easy! 😛