Originally posted by debbiejoelect someone who respects this country....it's obvious from observing Bush that he must subconsciously hate America if he wants to sully our reputation with the international communtity.
How do we get rid of it? It ruins so many lives.
the vast majority of our Presidents have been religious men, but I don't remember FDR or JFK or Bill Clinot getting in our face about it.
Originally posted by Strangelove
elect someone who respects this country....it's obvious from observing Bush that he must subconsciously hate America if he wants to sully our reputation with the international communtity.the vast majority of our Presidents have been religious men, but I don't remember FDR or JFK or Bill Clinot getting in our face about it.
Thats true. I'm sorry, but Bush is just the wrong person to be representing a nation of any kind.
Originally posted by Strangelove
elect someone who respects this country....it's obvious from observing Bush that he must subconsciously hate America if he wants to sully our reputation with the international communtity.the vast majority of our Presidents have been religious men, but I don't remember FDR or JFK or Bill Clinot getting in our face about it.
i.e. elect SANE people.
Re: What do the Founding Fathers have to say?
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Robert Treat PaineWhenever we read the obscene stories [of the Bible], the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we call it the word of a demon than the Word of God.
Thomas Jefferson
The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter.
George Washington
The United States of America should have a foundation free from the influence of clergy.
Benjamin Franklin
As to Jesus of Nazareth, my Opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the System of Morals and his Religion . . . has received various corrupting Changes, and I have, with most of the present dissenters in England, some doubts as to his Divinity.
James Madison
During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity, in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution.
John Adams
The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.
I will say, in the ever-so-slight defense of JIA, that the references to "the clergy" were referring to the tyranny of the Catholic church and not religion as a whole. Furthermore, the Founders did not participate in the degree of "separation of church and state" that is present in the United States today.
Still, JIA is dumb.
I guess if an atheist talks about something ocurring around the year 300 A.D., he believes in God.
Thats why the term C.E. was created.
Besides...the colonists didn't care about catholicism, they were agianst the English Protestantism of the time. That was only a small portion of a reason for many colonists and was not the reason for rebellion.
The actuall rebellion was about government, not religion.