The U.S. Constitution Mentions Jesus Christ

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
So then explain to me why Ushgarak invariably interposes himself between me and another forum member but in favor of the other poster and never me? I mean off top he has come to Alliance's aid, yours, and Shakes.

Me: 0
Others: 3

You do the math. Your right moderators don't have to be unbiased and impartial, but it would be nice. Hey, I don't have to brush my teeth either, but it would be nice. If I was a moderator I would just instinctively know that I should--not that I must--but should show some equal treatment, just because. I treat all members the same, I don't have any favorites, but I think Ushgarak does. Hmmm...I wonder who they are?

The maths is very simple- the reason is, it is because you keep making absurd and silly posts that invite my intervention. The common link is your inability in that area.

You are also completely wrong about mods being neutral in debates. That is not in any way desirable. Outside enforcing the rules, it is right and proper that mods be as opinionated as the rest of the posters, else they could not take part in debates. I DO treat members all the same. When I see stupidity being displayed in an argument, I am inclined to come in. Also when I see a possible mistake being made. You just happen to do this a ot more than everyone else.

But if you want a literal refutation of your idea that I always come in against you because I am biased against you- what about the Tactitus thing, hmm?

And I am sorry, but you ARE evasive. You demonstrate that on just about every argument you get called out on. This issue about 'admitting' is one of them. JFK did not admit anything, he stated a belief. All the other stuff you try and make out is irrelevant is in fact VERY relevant. People have been attempting to work out what your argument is, the point of what you are saying is. You are avoiding that. It is evasive and cowardly and once more reflects badly upon you.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Reported.

I'll get back to you when that hurts my feelings....

The Mayflower Compact

"In the name of God, Amen. We, whose names are underwritten, the Loyal Subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord, King James, by the Grace of God, of England, France and Ireland, King, Defender of the Faith, e&. Having undertaken for the Glory of God, and Advancement of the Christian Faith, and the Honour of our King and Country, a voyage to plant the first colony in the northern parts of Virginia; do by these presents, solemnly and mutually in the Presence of God and one of another, covenant and combine ourselves together into a civil Body Politick, for our better Ordering and Preservation, and Furtherance of the Ends aforesaid; And by Virtue hereof to enact, constitute, and frame, such just and equal Laws, Ordinances, Acts, Constitutions and Offices, from time to time, as shall be thought most meet and convenient for the General good of the Colony; unto which we promise all due submission and obedience. In Witness whereof we have hereunto subscribed our names at Cape Cod the eleventh of November, in the Reign of our Sovereign Lord, King James of England, France and Ireland, the eighteenth, and of Scotland the fifty-fourth. Anno Domini, 1620."

There followed the signatures of 41 of the 102 passengers, 37 of whom were Separatists fleeing religious persecution in Europe. This compact established the first basis in the new world for written laws. Half of the colony failed to survive the first winter, but the remainder lived on and prospered.

http://www.historyplace.com/unitedstates/revolution/mayflower.htm

We were once a Christian nation folks. God is everywhere present in all of our founding and seminal documents upon which this country's government and society is based.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
We were once a Christian nation folks. God is everywhere present in all of our founding and seminal documents upon which this country's government and society is based.

Originally posted by Lana
Did you know I'm also a mod, JIA? Are you going to accuse me of being impartial and running to Alliance and Samura's side because they happen to be the people I agree with?

If you look anything like Jessica Alba, then your a HOTT MOD

droolio

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
[B]The Mayflower Compact

"In the name of God, Amen. We, whose names are underwritten, the Loyal Subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord, King James, by the Grace of God, of England, France and Ireland, King, Defender of the Faith, e&. Having undertaken for the Glory of God, and Advancement of the Christian Faith, and the Honour of our King and Country, a voyage to plant the first colony in the northern parts of Virginia; do by these presents, solemnly and mutually in the Presence of God and one of another, covenant and combine ourselves together into a civil Body Politick, for our better Ordering and Preservation, and Furtherance of the Ends aforesaid; And by Virtue hereof to enact, constitute, and frame, such just and equal Laws, Ordinances, Acts, Constitutions and Offices, from time to time, as shall be thought most meet and convenient for the General good of the Colony; unto which we promise all due submission and obedience. In Witness whereof we have hereunto subscribed our names at Cape Cod the eleventh of November, in the Reign of our Sovereign Lord, King James of England, France and Ireland, the eighteenth, and of Scotland the fifty-fourth. Anno Domini, 1620."

There followed the signatures of 41 of the 102 passengers, 37 of whom were Separatists fleeing religious persecution in Europe. This compact established the first basis in the new world for written laws. Half of the colony failed to survive the first winter, but the remainder lived on and prospered.

http://www.historyplace.com/unitedstates/revolution/mayflower.htm

We were once a Christian nation folks. God is everywhere present in all of our founding and seminal documents upon which this country's government and society is based. [/B]

Originally posted by lord xyz
...So what if the US is founded on Christianity....

That is all I wanted to hear from you--an admission.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
That is all I wanted to hear from you--an admission.

Its not an admission. There is a difference from being founded by majority of Christians and being founded on Christians beliefs. Nothing about the US government is based on Christianity, therefore, our great nation is not founded on Christianity.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
That is all I wanted to hear from you--an admission.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
That is all I wanted to hear from you--an admission.

To assume that our nation was founded on you strange christian values is ignorance. Very few of our founding fathers where actually what you believe a christian to me. Thomas Jefferson was a Dietist, along with George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, Ethan Allen, James Madison, and James Monroe, which was a socially acceptable form of an athiest.

Originally posted by Regret
Regardless of wording in texts and such, the U.S. is/was founded on religious liberty, not on Christian superiority. All religions are equal under the intent of the fathers of this nation.

Well, the wording is very specific. It says Christian Faith, not religious liberty. So I am technical when the situation calls for it as it does in this case. The whole "Christian superiority" term is your take or interpretation. No one thinks or claims that Christians are superior to anyone--I certainly don't. Again, that is your deduction. The document states that those who left England came to North America to advance the Christian Faith. These are the facts. You can argue this, re-word it, and even dispute this, but the fact still remains that those early settlers appear to have been Christians, based on their own words. Perhaps this may not sit well with you seeing that you are an adherent of Mormonism. I don't know what else to tell you. If the settlers had said that their objective was to advance Mormonism, Buddhism, or Islam then I would have quoted that, but they didn't say that. Don't take their declaration personally. As long as you have faith in Jesus Christ, confess Him as your Lord, repent of your sins, and believe that God has raised Jesus from the dead, you will be saved.

One of my older post in this thread

Religious Affiliation of U.S. Founding Fathers
# /% of Founding Fathers

Episcopalian/Anglican 88 / 54.7%
Presbyterian 30 / 18.6%
Congregationalist 27 / 16.8%
Quaker 7 / 4.3%
Dutch Reformed/German Reformed 6 / 3.7%
Lutheran 5 / 3.1%
Catholic 3 / 1.9%
Huguenot 3 / 1.9%
Unitarian 3 / 1.9%
Methodist 2 / 1.2%
Calvinist 1 / 0.6%

TOTAL 204

http://www.adherents.com/gov/Foundi...s_Religion.html

Bad Link..
And founding fathers had different contributions, many of the framers (different from the founders...) were not Christian.

Originally posted by ThePittman
One of my older post in this thread

Religious Affiliation of U.S. Founding Fathers
# /% of Founding Fathers

Episcopalian/Anglican 88 / 54.7%
Presbyterian 30 / 18.6%
Congregationalist 27 / 16.8%
Quaker 7 / 4.3%
Dutch Reformed/German Reformed 6 / 3.7%
Lutheran 5 / 3.1%
Catholic 3 / 1.9%
Huguenot 3 / 1.9%
Unitarian 3 / 1.9%
Methodist 2 / 1.2%
Calvinist 1 / 0.6%

TOTAL 204

http://www.adherents.com/gov/Foundi...s_Religion.html

Beyond that, it says ntohgin about their philosphies which were markedly different from what is considered "religious" today.

My bad on the link, didn't copy over

http://www.adherents.com/gov/Founding_Fathers_Religion.html

I know that it's not that detailed, its something I found.

Originally posted by Lana
Okay, I'll make this short and to the point.

JIA, just because someone is a mod does not mean they need to stay neutral in a debate if they decide to participate in it, in which case we post and participate just like everyone else, unless it turns to a case to someone breaking the rules. Only when it comes to enforcing the rules does a mod need to stay impartial and unbiased, but when it comes to participating in a debate, we can be just as opinionated as everyone else.

Did you know I'm also a mod, JIA? Are you going to accuse me of being impartial and running to Alliance and Samura's side because they happen to be the people I agree with?

Man, Jessica Alba is beautiful! Oh, did you say something Lana? I am not accusing you of anything, in fact I wouldn't be talking to you if you hadn't responded to my post. You are a mod? Is that your claim to fame? Is that your life's greatest achievement? Hold on let me go and get you a cookie....

I am not sure what your favorite cookies are so I got you an assortment, one for every month of the year. I am just kidding Lana.

Now who is being sarcastic

Pagan cookies mmmm

Gotta love when people completely miss the point of a post.