Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Hawksmoor is essentially an "elemental" of cities. He can control their substance regardless of substance. Those parts of the city that have ferromagnetic properties Hawsmoor can control. Under this premise, Magneto is just a man in a city he can't do anything to.
And Magneto can also control it, but I see what you're saying. Regardless of whether he can transmutate parts of the city, how exactly would he know to change metal into a non-ferromagnetic substance (although this doesn't really matter much considering Magneto can make his own magnetic waves and can thus polarize ANY material) while Magneto was fighting him? Nothing can truly be out of Magneto's power, unless Hawkesmoor can completely ELIMINATE electromagnetic forces from the city (which he couldn't, because the city would cease to be) Magneto can at least control some parts of the city. I'm not saying it would be the whole city, however that point is irrelevant. A few EMP blasts, and New York would be down for the count. And I doubt Hawkesmoor would be able to penetrate Magneto's shields, either. Magneto can use electromagnetic waves to fuse particles out of the very air itself, and he's got an entire city to work with here. But, we can discuss whether or not Magneto could control parts of Hawkesmoor all day long (which he could), but the simpler route is simply saying Magneto destroys it via EMP blasts w/ his shields up.
That, or Magneto could just stay away from Hawksmoor's reach and blast the whole city into nothingness...
http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/5876/magblastswv6.jpg
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/4888/magblastblowsthroughmountainwitheasewm1.jpg
Or he could of course, do this...
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/5319/magcontrolsearthjg0.jpg
Or this:
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/1890/magforceblastskilleverythingwithradiousofmilevk5.jpg
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
That, or Magneto could just stay away from Hawksmoor's reach and blast the whole city into nothingness...http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/5876/magblastswv6.jpg
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/4888/magblastblowsthroughmountainwitheasewm1.jpg
Or he could of course, do this...
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/5319/magcontrolsearthjg0.jpgOr this:
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/1890/magforceblastskilleverythingwithradiousofmilevk5.jpg
Ideed. 🙂
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Or he could of course, do this...
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/5319/magcontrolsearthjg0.jpg
"Retards" 😆
Would this not suggest his control over atomic particles is vast'ish?
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http://img291.imageshack.us/my.php?image=secretwars00414fg9.jpg
Originally posted by batdude123
And Magneto can also control it, but I see what you're saying. Regardless of whether he can transmutate parts of the city, how exactly would he know to change metal into a non-ferromagnetic substance (although this doesn't really matter much considering Magneto can make his own magnetic waves and can thus polarize ANY material) while Magneto was fighting him? Nothing can truly be out of Magneto's power, unless Hawkesmoor can completely ELIMINATE electromagnetic forces from the city (which he couldn't, because the city would cease to be) Magneto can at least control some parts of the city. I'm not saying it would be the whole city, however that point is irrelevant. A few EMP blasts, and New York would be down for the count. And I doubt Hawkesmoor would be able to penetrate Magneto's shields, either. Magneto can use electromagnetic waves to fuse particles out of the very air itself, and he's got an entire city to work with here. But, we can discuss whether or not Magneto could control parts of Hawkesmoor all day long (which he could), but the simpler route is simply saying Magneto destroys it via EMP blasts w/ his shields up.
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Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Or he could of course, do this...
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/5319/magcontrolsearthjg0.jpg
Jesus, what a dick 😐
Originally posted by batdude123I wasn't saying he'd change metal into non-ferromagnetic substance. I'm saying Hawksmoor can control the substance of the city regardless of its substance. He can control the ferromagnetic and non-ferromagnetic substances that comprise it. I'm questioning whether Magneto can do anything at all.
And Magneto can also control it, but I see what you're saying. Regardless of whether he can transmutate parts of the city, how exactly would he know to change metal into a non-ferromagnetic substance (although this doesn't really matter much considering Magneto can make his own magnetic waves and can thus polarize ANY material) while Magneto was fighting him? Nothing can truly be out of Magneto's power, unless Hawkesmoor can completely ELIMINATE electromagnetic forces from the city (which he couldn't, because the city would cease to be) Magneto can at least control some parts of the city. I'm not saying it would be the whole city, however that point is irrelevant. A few EMP blasts, and New York would be down for the count. And I doubt Hawkesmoor would be able to penetrate Magneto's shields, either. Magneto can use electromagnetic waves to fuse particles out of the very air itself, and he's got an entire city to work with here. But, we can discuss whether or not Magneto could control parts of Hawkesmoor all day long (which he could), but the simpler route is simply saying Magneto destroys it via EMP blasts w/ his shields up.
Nothing can truly be out of Magneto's power is just hyperbole. He hasn't shown sufficient control of non-ferromagnetic materials to suggest that in the least.
The visible strain of making something as small as a comb is apparent.
Hawksmoor can become intangible. He can also make the city intangible and just have it swallow Magneto
An EMP damages electronics and causes surges. It doesn't cause a tremendous amount of physical structural damage sufficient to destroy a city AFAIK. The misconception could be that they're often generated by nuclear explosions.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I wasn't saying he'd change metal into non-ferromagnetic substance. I'm saying Hawksmoor can control the substance of the city regardless of its substance. He can control the ferromagnetic and non-ferromagnetic substances that comprise it. I'm questioning whether Magneto can do anything at all.Nothing can truly be out of Magneto's power is just hyperbole. He hasn't shown sufficient control of non-ferromagnetic materials to suggest that in the least.
The visible strain of making something as small as a comb is apparent.
Hawksmoor can become intangible. He can also make the city intangible and just have it swallow Magneto
An EMP damages electronics and causes surges. It doesn't cause a tremendous amount of physical structural damage sufficient to destroy a city AFAIK. The misconception could be that they're often generated by nuclear explosions.
Of course Magneto can do "something."
No, everything is under Magneto's control (or can be potentially controlled by him) considering everything discharges an electromagnetic field. Magneto can also create his own electromagnetic forces in order to heighten their magnetic properties. That's exactly why he's able to control things such as plastic and ceramic.
Did you read all of the scans? He was struggling to draw in the metallic particles OUT OF THIN AIR which is extremely sparse. He was discharging an electromagnetic field in order to draw in the metallic particles out of the air that could "raise a small city."
Magneto has an answer for intangibility.... his shields. Both Shadowcat and Vision have failed to penetrate Magneto's shields while they were in their intangible states. He beat them both...
Let's just say he does a couple EMP blasts, the electrical mechanisms and the machines would be laid to waste in the entire city. And don't act like he's limited to that. Look at DarkCrawler's post. Hawksmoor gets owned.
Whether he can do something at all is open to interpretation.
Ferrite is a ceramic. He shows some control of non-ferromagnetic substances, he hasn't shown sufficient control to lead one to believe he can do so to an entire sentient city. Akin to your single scan of the single instance that ambiguously possibly shows some gravitational control, which doesn't lead me to believe he has any great measure of control over gravitational forces.
The sparsity of the particles? Or just the act in itself. Methinks the latter. Forming the chemical bonds is what's causing the strain. "raise a small city" is akin to "infinite" "limitless" "all powerful" sounds cool, doesn't mean much.
Shadowcat has phased into him before. When does she try and fail to penetrate his shield. I don't recall the instance.
New York City has a population of >8 million people. It has an area of approximately 800 square kilometers. The Empire State Building weighs 350,000 tons, and that's just a single building. If Magneto wants to waste his energy making combs and killing the people withing 0.1% of the area while it swallows him alive he's more than welcome to.
