Magneto vs Jack Hawksmoor

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

The sparsity of the particles? Or just the act in itself. Methinks the latter. Forming the chemical bonds is what's causing the strain. "raise a small city" is akin to "infinite" "limitless" "all powerful" sounds cool, doesn't mean much.

Think again.😉
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Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Whether he can do something at all is open to interpretation.

Ferrite is a ceramic. He shows some control of non-ferromagnetic substances, he hasn't shown sufficient control to lead one to believe he can do so to an entire sentient city. Akin to your single scan of the single instance that ambiguously possibly shows some gravitational control, which doesn't lead me to believe he has any great measure of control over gravitational forces.

The sparsity of the particles? Or just the act in itself. Methinks the latter. Forming the chemical bonds is what's causing the strain. "raise a small city" is akin to "infinite" "limitless" "all powerful" sounds cool, doesn't mean much.

Shadowcat has phased into him before. When does she try and fail to penetrate his shield. I don't recall the instance.

New York City has a population of >8 million people. It has an area of approximately 800 square kilometers. The Empire State Building weighs 350,000 tons, and that's just a single building. If Magneto wants to waste his energy making combs and killing the people withing 0.1% of the area while it swallows him alive he's more than welcome to.

Please. Magneto could do MORE than "something" to Hawksmoor.

Did I say he was going to control the entire city? No, in fact, I said he probably wouldn't even be able to. Read in CONTEXT x. 😛 He still has sufficient enough power to destroy New York. That's for damn sure.

Check DC's post.

Phase into Magneto WITH his shields up? I've never seen that happen before. She's not been able to do it when he has his shields up. Hell, even teleporter's can't enter his shields. And Vision hasn't been able to phase through his shield either. I like how you didn't adress that one.

Is this a joke? 🤨 Making combs? Yeah, he made it from the particles out of THIN AIR. The field was stronger than you want to give credit for. I think you purposely under sell Magneto, honestly. Again, I refer you to DC's scans up above me. Couple blasts combined with him controlling the ground/earth beneath New York, and Hawksmoor is f*cked. Magneto has more than enough sufficient energy output to destroy a city. Atop of that, Hawksmoor can't penetrate his shields. Done deal, Magneto ftw.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
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Originally posted by batdude123
Please. Magneto could do MORE than "something" to Hawksmoor.

Did I say he was going to control the entire city? No, in fact, I said he probably wouldn't even be able to. Read in CONTEXT x. 😛 He still has sufficient enough power to destroy New York. That's for damn sure.

Check DC's post.

Phase into Magneto WITH his shields up? I've never seen that happen before. She's not been able to do it when he has his shields up. Hell, even teleporter's can't enter his shields. And Vision hasn't been able to phase through his shield either. I like how you didn't adress that one.

Is this a joke? 🤨 Making combs? Yeah, he made it from the particles out of THIN AIR. The field was stronger than you want to give credit for. I think you purposely under sell Magneto, honestly. Again, I refer you to DC's scans up above me. Couple blasts combined with him controlling the ground/earth beneath New York, and Hawksmoor is f*cked. Magneto has more than enough sufficient energy output to destroy a city. Atop of that, Hawksmoor can't penetrate his shields. Done deal, Magneto ftw.

Show me a scan where she's failed to phase through Magneto's shields, because I have proof positive that she can phase into him and the energy which he produces. Unless one is to assume that the shield isn't composed of the same energy, which is a stretch.

I think you oversell Magneto. The volcano thing involved tech iirc. New York swallows him alive.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The first scan just contradicts batdude's thing about the sparsity. He destroys something Beast throws at him, and he coats Moira in metal.
Based on? Hawksmoor controls cities. He controls what comprises them, metal or not. There's no conclusivity as to whether Magneto could do anything.

Show me a scan where she's failed to phase through Magneto's shields, because I have proof positive that she can phase into him and the energy which he produces. Unless one is to assume that the shield isn't composed of the same energy, which is a stretch.

I think you oversell Magneto. The volcano thing involved tech iirc. New York swallows him alive.

Whether he could actually control parts of the city is debatable, you're right. However, I'm NOT saying that's how Erik would win. It's only a possibility that can be explored. Nothing more. 😬

DC has the scans somewhere. I'll try and get them when he gets back on. You're still missing the part about Vision, and the teleporter.

Hawksmoor isn't going to do anything to Magneto with his shields up. Magneto simply stands back and blasts, and New York goes down for the count. Magneto wins.

Or the city swallows him. Shadowcat has phased through him, Occam's Razor says she can phase through his shield.

Vision is a robot. EM would disrupt his circuitry. Teleporters move along magnetic lines and their powers can be interferred with by magnetism.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Or the city swallows him. Shadowcat has phased through him, Occam's Razor says she can phase through his shield.

Vision is a robot. EM would disrupt his circuitry. Teleporters move along magnetic lines and their powers can be interferred with by magnetism.

Hawksmoor isn't going to be "swallowing" Magneto.

No, it wasn't that Vision didn't want to do it because of the repercussions. It was literally that he COULDN'T do it. When he tried, he couldn't phase through the shields. The magnetic force wouldn't let him get through.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Or the city swallows him. Shadowcat has phased through him, Occam's Razor says she can phase through his shield.

Vision is a robot. EM would disrupt his circuitry. Teleporters move along magnetic lines and their powers can be interferred with by magnetism.

Hey X remember we had that discussion about phasing and Magnetos shields before...and I said I recalled an incident where he did it once...well I have to apologize because I was wrong...it was actually Exodus posing as Magneto....who forced Kitty tangible....

I know it's off topic but I wanted to clear things up...

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Hey X remember we had that discussion about phasing and Magnetos shields before...and I said I recalled an incident where he did it once...well I have to apologize because I was wrong...it was actually Exodus posing as Magneto....who forced Kitty tangible....

I know it's off topic but I wanted to clear things up...

Magneto could basically do the same thing. Manipulate the iron in her blood to turn her tangible again? That's what he did to Vision once....

Originally posted by batdude123
Magneto could basically do the same thing. Manipulate the iron in her blood to turn her tangible again? That's what he did to Vision once....

Well when you consider the theory behind her phasing it should be theoretically possible for Mags to control her metallic atoms...or the EM energy holding her particles together...

Kitty Pryde is a mutant with the ability to “phase” through solid matter by shifting her atoms through the spaces between the atoms of the object through which she is moving

But in that same Exodus/Kitty scan....when Kitty is forced tangible she says "He's never had that kind of power before"

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Well when you consider the theory behind her phasing it should be theoretically possible for Mags to control her metallic atoms...or the EM energy holding her particles together...

Kitty Pryde is a mutant with the ability to “phase” through solid matter by shifting her atoms through the spaces between the atoms of the object through which she is moving

But in that same Exodus/Kitty scan....when Kitty is forced tangible she says "He's never had that kind of power before"

Maybe 'cause he's never attempted it before. 😐 Doesn't mean he couldn't do it... he did it to Vision.

Isint Vison's phasing different than Kittys? Becuase Vison can become somewhat solid inside of someone, Kitty can't do that without dying.

Originally posted by batdude123
Maybe 'cause he's never attempted it before. 😐 Doesn't mean he couldn't do it... he did it to Vision.

Meh...never said he couldn't just that he didn't....anyway the point was to just apologize to X....

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The first scan just contradicts batdude's thing about the sparsity. He destroys something Beast throws at him, and he coats Moira in metal.

Ever thought that the other place just had less metal on atmosphere? It was another planet.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Based on? Hawksmoor controls cities. He controls what comprises them, metal or not. There's no conclusivity as to whether Magneto could do anything.

There is lot of conclusivity when you pit Magneto's control of metal against his control of cities...both are pretty much absolute.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Show me a scan where she's failed to phase through Magneto's shields, because I have proof positive that she can phase into him and the energy which he produces. Unless one is to assume that the shield isn't composed of the same energy, which is a stretch.

Only time she tried to phase him was when she had an ice spike...Magneto dispersed the molecules of the ice spike to hydrogen and oxygen and electrocuted her.

And considering that neither teleporting OR phasing has ever worked on him, I don't see him phasing through anything.
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And considering that PHOTONS don't get through his shield if he does not want them to, Jack isn't phasing through them.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I think you oversell Magneto. The volcano thing involved tech iirc. New York swallows him alive.

He has able to do the same thing with or without tech. We are talking about a guy who has lifted an mountain and threw it on his opponents.

That reminds me, he could just throw New York city in space:
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And New York isn't swallowing anything. Magneto can fly with Mach 100 and faster, anything Jack can do will not pass his shields, and he can just be invisible and soundless.
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New York will get blasted to pieces, thrown into space or swallowed by the ground under it. Jack is powerful, but faaar behind Magneto on powerlevel.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Only time she tried to phase him was when she had an ice spike...Magneto dispersed the molecules of the ice spike to hydrogen and oxygen and electrocuted her.

As aforementioned Magnetism can interfere with teleportation. That has no bearing on phasing.

Magneto wins. 🙂