Originally posted by bigbran
I kind of thought that beating Abom in h2h(classic) in a weakened state was pretty good. So basically, your saying Surfer can't fight?
Anyways, beating Thanos, in a realm where there powers don't work, is some shitty h2h?
Do you say he has shitty h2h skills, because he mostly blasts?
Of course, Surfer can't fight.
THINK.
What's his past experience? Peaceful man on doomed planet. Herald. Lonely cosmic ranger roaming space.
What hand to hand training does Surfer have? NONE.
How often does Surfer rely on fisticuffs rather than the easier route of cosmic blasts? NONE.
What feats does Surfer have of defeating an opponent solely using hand to hand combat? NONE.
Surfer has absolutely no training (he doesn't need it....) and he solely relies on his cosmic energy powers.
After all, he's a the friggin Silver Surfer. The hell does he need to know about akido for?
Surfer isn't facing a hulking mass of strength. He's facing a highly skilled, highly trained Superman-level opponent who spars with Lady Shiva in her spar time.
Without his cosmic energy, superspeed/reflexes, or anything other than his own hands and feet, he's screwed.
It's like a powerless Superman facing Batman...
Originally posted by Inhuman
I know.
just showing that surfer can take a punch. Hes not some punching bag just cause he doesnt fight h2h all the time.
He will be to WW.
WW will laugh at Surfer's pathetic attempt for a punch (he DOES come from a pacifist world that would make Xavier vomit...) and parry his ass into the ground.
Originally posted by Draco69
He will be to WW.WW will laugh at Surfer's pathetic attempt for a punch (he DOES come from a pacifist world that would make Xavier vomit...) and parry his ass into the ground.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Yes Surfer IS a pacifist, meaning that he dislikes violence and tries to avoid it.
Meaning, trying to learn how to fight or learning any hand to hand combat skills is out.
After all, if you dislike violence why learn how to fight?
Diana on the hand learned how to break bones when she was a toddler...
Originally posted by darthgoober
However, he spent God only knows how much time as a Herald of Galactus, and even if you assume that he NEVER fought h2h during that time
And you're assuming that Surfer jumped of his board and decided to do some roundhouse kicks against any random alien he came across?
While Galactus was devouring a planet, Surfer was going Bruce Lee on it's surviving inhabitants.
No. He was doing what he's been portrayed as for the last 50 odd years. Flying around on his board and blowing sh** up.
Originally posted by darthgoober
do you know how many fights he's been in just since his first series began?
Do YOU have any actual on panel fights documenting Surfer going hand to hand with an opponent and NOT using his cosmic energy on his opponent?
Nope....
Originally posted by darthgoober
And he DOES spend a lot of the fights going at it h2h.
No, he doesn't.
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PLEASE. He's the friggin Silver Surfer. He's as long range and "paladin" as it gets. He never goes hand to hand unless A) he's severely weakened B) he somehow gets knocked of his board or C) he doesn't have his board around and he's jobbing to someone.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Now if there were no PIS involved, then yes he would just fly around blasting, but the fights don't go down that way.
PIS involved?
Are we even talking about the same character?
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Surfer DOES just fly around and blast things. That's what he does 99.9999% of the time....
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Originally posted by darthgoober
While H2H isn't his specialization,
Specialization? Hah! I would say it doesn't even exist in his reputation.
Originally posted by darthgoober
he's still shown the ability to go h2h with plenty of beings(including Champion and Gladiator).
Champion? Got his ass kicked. Was resting on a makeshift alien hospital bed.
Gladiator? Was getting his ass kicked...until he used radiation on the guy.
Nope. Surfer doesn't have ANY feats of defeating an opponent (much less a SKILLED opponent like WW...) soley by means of hand to hand.
Originally posted by darthgoober
I'm not trying to call the match one way or the other, I'm just pointing out that it wouldn't be a curbstomp for either of them.
It's kinda obvious....
It's like a powerless Superman vs. Batman.
Or Tony Stark without his armour vs. Iron Fist
Or a powerless Silver Surfer vs. Batman...wait....
Originally posted by snoopdoggIt's a serious question, because Surfer put him down with one punch, after he got jumped.
I don't think anybody care.
Originally posted by Draco69Have you read any of his books?
Of course, Surfer can't fight.
Originally posted by Draco69I'm trying.
THINK.
Originally posted by Draco69Interesting because I just read a comic, showing him in a scooter, getting jumped by some people. Plus, the Kree and the Skrull were at war all the time.
What's his past experience? Peaceful man on doomed planet. Herald. Lonely cosmic ranger roaming space.
Originally posted by Draco69You could sya that about a lot of characters.
What hand to hand training does Surfer have? NONE.
Originally posted by Draco69Why would he? Do you think he's going to go h2h with Galactus?
How often does Surfer rely on fisticuffs rather than the easier route of cosmic blasts? NONE.
Originally posted by Draco69He's out musceled Gladiator.
What feats does Surfer have of defeating an opponent solely using hand to hand combat? NONE.
Originally posted by Draco69He throws punches all the time. I showed you Surfer, using skill to take down Abom, and yet, you still go on, saying he can't fight.
Surfer has absolutely no training (he doesn't need it....) and he solely relies on his cosmic energy powers.
Originally posted by Draco69What the hell is Dr Strange beating Wolverine in h2h doing in comics? Dr Strange doesn't show it every comic, but when he needs to resort to it, he has it. Same case.
After all, he's a the friggin Silver Surfer. The hell does he need to know about akido for?
Originally posted by Draco69Of, course, but I'm showing you SS beating a strong foe, using skill, and you just throw that right out the window, and say that he can't fight?
Surfer isn't facing a hulking mass of strength. He's facing a highly skilled, highly trained Superman-level opponent who spars with Lady Shiva in her spar time.
Originally posted by Draco69So Surfer doesn't get any reflexes for this fight? He is just going to stand there and throw punches? I thought you needed some reflexes for fighting, I was wrong....
Without his cosmic energy, superspeed/reflexes, or anything other than his own hands and feet, he's screwed.
Originally posted by Draco69Except, that where would Supes strength be at?
It's like a powerless Superman facing Batman...
Originally posted by thedude1948
He probably has some H2H knowledge from his cosmic awareness also.
No proof of that.
No on-panel feats of his vaunted hand to hand skills.
Face it guys.
Without his speed, reflexes, cosmic powers, or board, Surfer is screwed against WW.
He's facing an opponent who spars with Lady Shiva and Batman in her spar time.
You're not saying that Surfer is better at hand to hand than Batman or Shiva are you?
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Originally posted by Draco69
No proof of that.No on-panel feats of his vaunted hand to hand skills.
Face it guys.
Without his speed, reflexes, cosmic powers, or board, Surfer is screwed against WW.
He's facing an opponent who spars with Lady Shiva and Batman in her spar time.
You're not saying that Surfer is better at hand to hand than Batman or Shiva are you?
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Although she has her speed and strength when she spars with them 😉
I'm guessing you like WW. That's fair enough.
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Originally posted by ValidusMaybe, but he he still has skills, and the people who don't read his comics, say he doesn't.
But what's the point? Even if he does have "skills" WW still creams him 8 different ways from Sunday in that department.
Originally posted by InhumanNo!
So WW is more durable than surfer?
WW is easily more skilled than Surfer.
But in this match, blow for blow was my vision.
Not skills being utilized.
I know WW is less durable than Surfer.
But is WW stronger than Surfer??
Can she drop him, before he drops her?
But i'm trying to gauge how strong Surfer is seen as being in comparison to WW and other top tier bricks.
This is a slugfest. Nothing but brawn and grit.
No skills!!
WW is to Surfer skillwise, as Robin is to Superman. There is no comparison.
Originally posted by bigbranHave you read any of his books?
Yes. Have you? You saying Surfer is ANYWHERE near as skilled as Diana?
Good luck with that....
Originally posted by bigbran
I'm trying.
Try harder....
Originally posted by bigbran
Interesting because I just read a comic, showing him in a scooter, getting jumped by some people. Plus, the Kree and the Skrull were at war all the time.
"Some people" Were any of these people, Daredevil, Captain America or Elektra? Did any of them portray any sort of skill that puts them at Surfer's level?
Nope. Sounds like a random mob that was stupid enough to dogpile a cosmic herald....
Originally posted by bigbran
You could sya that about a lot of characters.
Are deliberately be facetious? The above response is obviously just an attempt to show you're "debating" by just responding with an off-kileter remark....
Surfer's got no HTH skills. Diana has loads. It's not so difficult...
Why would he? Do you think he's going to go h2h with Galactus?
Originally posted by bigbran
He's out musceled Gladiator.
Um. No. He outPOWERED Gladiator. With his cosmic energy....
Originally posted by bigbran
He's put down Captain Atlas in one punch.
Atlas is rather weak. Thing has gone HTH with Atlas with success...
And Atlas isn't anywhere near Surfer's power level in regards to speed or power regarding cosmic energy...
Originally posted by bigbran
Crushed a cosmic powered Doombot, that had stolen all of Surfer's energy.
I'm assuming A) the "cosmic-powered" Doombot must have got his energy stolen back or some plot device helped Surfer out. After all, if he's completely drained.... B) the robot didnt' fight like Captain Americe did it? Nope, it's was the usual lumbering robot with constrained appendages....
Originally posted by bigbran
Hit Super Skrull once, and took out a big chunk of his face.
With his cosmic energy....
Originally posted by bigbran
Beat the hell out of Mephisto, a couple times.
With his cosmic energy...
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Come on now....
Originally posted by bigbran
He throws punches all the time. I showed you Surfer, using skill to take down Abom, and yet, you still go on, saying he can't fight.
Is Abomination ANYWHERE near Diana's skill or strength. No....
Abomination is a huge hulking mass of muscle that Surfer used wit, his own strength and his own durability to defeat.
Good luck to Surfer, fighting an opponent that knows nearly every DCU martial art and makes Surfer's skills look rather retarded in comparision...
Originally posted by bigbran
What the hell is Dr Strange beating Wolverine in h2h doing in comics? Dr Strange doesn't show it every comic, but when he needs to resort to it, he has it. Same case.
Yeah. There's a difference between Dr. Strange and SS.
We've actually seen Strange fight with HTH against other skilled opponents AND we've actually seen him TRAIN his HTH skills.
You're just spewing this nonsense that Surfer learned how some alien martial art from some alien planet and got black belt off-panel...
Originally posted by bigbran
Of, course, but I'm showing you SS beating a strong foe, using skill, and you just throw that right out the window, and say that he can't fight?
It's not being thrown out the window...it's being thrown out the bloody door....
Do you have ANY onpanel feats showing Surfer defeating a highly-skilled opponent like Diana using ONLY his own HTH skills and NO cosmic energy whatsoever?
NOPE. Good luck finding that.
Defeating a lummox like Abomination does NOT equate to defeating a highly skilled Amazon who spars with Lady Shiva every Saturday afternoon....
Originally posted by bigbran
So Surfer doesn't get any reflexes for this fight? He is just going to stand there and throw punches? I thought you needed some reflexes for fighting, I was wrong....
Oh, don't be crude. You know what I meant.
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SUPER-reflexes. Ya know, the translightspeed reflexes Surfer so often projects?
If Diana and Surfer's reflexes are rendered the same and normal for this fight, than Diana's gonna kick his ass....
Originally posted by bigbran
Whats WW going to do? She gets to run around, while Surfer is super glued to the floor.
Well, in that case, WW will win, pretty easily.
No, I see her dancing around Surfer's clumsy attempts of attack and honing her uber-MA skills to kick his ass...repeatedly..
Originally posted by bigbran
Except, that where would Supes strength be at?
Around Thor and Hercules level or above.
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Originally posted by Flame On!!
Although she has her speed and strength when she spars with them 😉I'm guessing you like WW. That's fair enough.
- FO!!
No, there have been times of many depowerments when she was forced to fight without her powers at all.
Actually a third of career was just her and her MA skills against the world.