WW vs Surfer

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Validus Senior Member

Originally posted by UniOmni
U 😠 ?

😘 @ homotional whiners. I bet you loved IC, huh?!


IC gets too much flack especially coming from guys who love Civil War despite it's fundamental flaws but thats a whole different rant from me.

UniOmni Outrageously Dickish

I love neither.

But i was enjoying Annihilation quite a bit.

Validus Senior Member

Originally posted by UniOmni
I love neither.

But i was enjoying Annihilation quite a bit.


Annihilation is thus far more enjoyable than both. So long as they don't ruin it with Thanos becoming God again, it'll stay that way.

bigbran Dead

Originally posted by Draco69
Yes. Have you? You saying Surfer is ANYWHERE near as skilled as Diana?

Good luck with that....

First off, your assuming. Find the damn post, where I said he was as skilled as WW!
Seriously, do it.

Originally posted by Draco69
Try harder....
Maybe you should heed that advice, and see what my main argument is. It's not about Surfer being as skilled, or even close, it's arguing about you saying that Surfer has absolutely no h2h skills.

Originally posted by Draco69
"Some people" Were any of these people, Daredevil, Captain America or Elektra? Did any of them portray any sort of skill that puts them at Surfer's level?
They had guns pointed at him.
They jumped his ship. I'm saying that Surfer's world wasn't as violence free as you think.

Originally posted by Draco69
Nope. Sounds like a random mob that was stupid enough to dogpile a cosmic herald....
It's a good thing you read the comic. It happened before Norrin became Galactus's herald.

Originally posted by Draco69
Surfer's got no HTH skills. Diana has loads. It's not so difficult...
See this is the whole damn reason, this started.
Surfer has h2h skills. Your saying he has none.
So your also saying that you have to have skill to beat anyone?
So would this also, mean that Batman is unbeatable, because most people aren't as skilled as him.

Originally posted by Draco69
Why would he? Do you think he's going to go h2h with Galactus?
Am I supposed to answer this? Didn't I direct this at you?

Originally posted by Draco69
Um. No. He outPOWERED Gladiator. With his cosmic energy....
No, he didn't.
He outpowered him, without using his energy.

Plus, isn't Surfer's power source, the power cosmic? So wouldn't that mean he uses it in every fight?

Originally posted by Draco69
Atlas is rather weak. Thing has gone HTH with Atlas with success...

And Atlas isn't anywhere near Surfer's power level in regards to speed or power regarding cosmic energy...

Surfer used absolutely no speed. Surfer got jumped by two people.
He hit Atlas once, and put him down.

Originally posted by Draco69
I'm assuming A) the "cosmic-powered" Doombot must have got his energy stolen back or some plot device helped Surfer out. After all, if he's completely drained.... B) the robot didnt' fight like Captain Americe did it? Nope, it's was the usual lumbering robot with constrained appendages....

The first part "I'm assuming"
Surfer was dieing in space, Legacy came, he revived Surfer, gave him some power.
Surfer then went and found the Doombot, he hit him a couple times, basically shattering him, he ripped him apart, using his hands, then when he ripped his whole body apart, he took his head, and absorbed back his power cosmic.

Originally posted by Draco69
With his cosmic energy....

With his cosmic energy...

😬

Come on now....

No, I don't believe he did.

Originally posted by Draco69
Is Abomination ANYWHERE near Diana's skill or strength. No....
Never said he was.

Originally posted by Draco69
Abomination is a huge hulking mass of muscle that Surfer used wit, his own strength and his own durability to defeat.

Skill. Plus Surfer was regaining his energy back. He was extremly weakened priar to.
Originally posted by Draco69
Good luck to Surfer, fighting an opponent that knows nearly every DCU martial art and makes Surfer's skills look rather retarded in comparision...
First off. How does Hulk beat Thor, Hercules, etc? Since Hulk doesn't have too many fighting skills.

Originally posted by Draco69
Yeah. There's a difference between Dr. Strange and SS.

Just like theres a difference to everyone.

Originally posted by Draco69
We've actually seen Strange fight with HTH against other skilled opponents AND we've actually seen him TRAIN his HTH skills.

We have, but we have also seen Wolverine use his way more.

Originally posted by Draco69
You're just spewing this nonsense that Surfer learned how some alien martial art from some alien planet and got black belt off-panel...
I'm not spewing anything. I'm saying that he does have some skills, you said he had none.

Originally posted by Draco69
It's not being thrown out the window...it's being thrown out the bloody door....
When?

Originally posted by Draco69
Do you have ANY onpanel feats showing Surfer defeating a highly-skilled opponent like Diana using ONLY his own HTH skills and NO cosmic energy whatsoever?
I have never said that Surfer was as skilled as Diana, now have I?
I said, he had skills.

Originally posted by Draco69
NOPE. Good luck finding that.
What about holding his own with Thanos? What about beating Thanos in a realm where there powers don't work?

Originally posted by Draco69
Defeating a lummox like Abomination does NOT equate to defeating a highly skilled Amazon who spars with Lady Shiva every Saturday afternoon....
No, but I showed Surfer using skill to do it.
So your saying that a super strong person like WW, can only "spar" with a Batman leveler?

Originally posted by Draco69
Oh, don't be crude. You know what I meant.

🙄

You said it, not me.

Originally posted by Draco69
SUPER-reflexes. Ya know, the translightspeed reflexes Surfer so often projects?
Surfer thinks in superspeed.

Originally posted by Draco69
If Diana and Surfer's reflexes are rendered the same and normal for this fight, than Diana's gonna kick his ass....
Too bad, Surfer's reflexes are quite high.

Originally posted by Draco69
No, I see her dancing around Surfer's clumsy attempts of attack and honing her uber-MA skills to kick his ass...repeatedly..
Oh, ok. So tell me, how does, someone like

Originally posted by Draco69
Around Thor and Hercules level or above.

😬

So your saying that Supes with no powers, speed, etc, would get his ass kicked, in h2h if he still had his super strength?

You think I'm stupid, to not know Supes strength?

I asked where his strength would be at when he fights Bats.

Draco69 Snarky Slytherin

Originally posted by Mindship
I think this is probably an instance where...

Surfer is so friggin' durable, there probably isn't much WW can do to hurt him.

On the other hand...

WW is so friggin' skillful at h2h, there probably isn't much SS can do to take her down.

I'd say this is a stalemate, but one where WW puts up a much better showing.

Pretty much.

Draco69 Snarky Slytherin
Originally posted by Validus
IC gets too much flack especially coming from guys who love Civil War despite it's fundamental flaws but thats a whole different rant from me.

IC gets flak because A) they didn't understand it B) They don't know nothing about DC's history.

Civil War is simple and easy to understand.

bigbran Dead

Originally posted by Draco69
IC gets flak because A) they didn't understand it B) They don't know nothing about DC's history.

Civil War is simple and easy to understand.

Am I the only one who actually liked IC?

Draco69 Snarky Slytherin
Originally posted by bigbran
Am I the only one who actually liked IC?

I hated the inconsistant art. Phil Jimenez's art was good in the first issue but it was obviously rushed and hurried in the latter issues.

And when it wasn't Jimenez, it was so lackluster artist I've never heard before doing it.

They couldn't find Michael Turner or Jim Lee to the Infinite Crisis?

😬

bigbran Dead

Originally posted by Draco69
I hated the inconsistant art. Phil Jimenez's art was good in the first issue but it was obviously rushed and hurried in the latter issues.

And when it wasn't Jimenez, it was so lackluster artist I've never heard before doing it.

They couldn't find Michael Turner or Jim Lee to the Infinite Crisis?

😬

I thought the art was good.
But nevertheless, I don't think art should take away from the story....unless it's like the art from the She-Hulk vs Thanos.

Draco69 Snarky Slytherin
Originally posted by bigbran
I thought the art was good.
But nevertheless, I don't think art should take away from the story....unless it's like the art from the She-Hulk vs Thanos.

I also didn't like the ending. ALWAYS has to end with friggin' Superman....

bigbran Dead

Originally posted by Draco69
I also didn't like the ending. ALWAYS has to end with friggin' Superman....
Ok, there you got me.

They should have had like all the heros jumping him. Or the corps getting pissed off, and getting back at him.
But no, Damnit, Superman has to do it!

Validus Senior Member

Originally posted by Draco69
I hated the inconsistant art. Phil Jimenez's art was good in the first issue but it was obviously rushed and hurried in the latter issues.

And when it wasn't Jimenez, it was so lackluster artist I've never heard before doing it.

They couldn't find Michael Turner or Jim Lee to the Infinite Crisis?

😬


They fixed some of the art in the hardcover especially in #7. Perez redid the hero spread.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e383/paulnewell/Infinite%20Crisis/icspread.jpg

Seriously though, Lee and Turner? Lee can't seem to get a book out on time these days. Turner? No.

Validus Senior Member

Originally posted by bigbran
Am I the only one who actually liked IC?

1-6 were classic. #4 is one of my favorite individual issues ever. #7 sucked though.

Draco69 Snarky Slytherin

Originally posted by Validus
They fixed some of the art in the hardcover especially in #7. Perez redid the hero spread.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e383/paulnewell/Infinite%20Crisis/icspread.jpg

Seriously though, Lee and Turner? Lee can't seem to get a book out on time these days. Turner? No.

That's a HELL of a lot better than that piece of crap spread we got the last time.

Those guys were just examples. A top-tier artist should have done the crisis. Not Lopezwhatizname....

bigbran Dead

Originally posted by Validus
They fixed some of the art in the hardcover especially in #7. Perez redid the hero spread.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e383/paulnewell/Infinite%20Crisis/icspread.jpg

Seriously though, Lee and Turner? Lee can't seem to get a book out on time these days. Turner? No.

"I'de say things are in good hands." That's funny, considering they have Black Adam was in the middle...

Validus Senior Member

Originally posted by Draco69
That's a HELL of a lot better than that piece of crap spread we got the last time.

Those guys were just examples. A top-tier artist should have done the crisis. Not Lopezwhatizname....


Marvel did it right with CW. Delaying the issues to ensure all McNiven goodness was the right choice. I would kill for 7 straight issues of IC done by Jimenez.

Avalonofthewind Godot Brew#107
Originally posted by Validus
1-6 were classic. #4 is one of my favorite individual issues ever. #7 sucked though.

They tried to wrap it up too quick. They should simply have extended it about 2 more issues and had some massive battles.

Mr. Universe Senior Member

Not enought durability to match Diana? You mean the guy that flies through stars and survives super novas. He outclasses her durability wise. I don't know if her fighting skills enough to compensate for that. He'd take anything she could dish out.

lol@Wanda

Validus Senior Member

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
They tried to wrap it up too quick. They should simply have extended it about 2 more issues and had some massive battles.

You're not kidding. The whole space part was practically pointless. Donna gathers some of the most powerful people on Earth (leaving it near defenseless btw) and all they do is blow off one of Alex's fingers? Wonderful job.

Avalonofthewind Godot Brew#107
Originally posted by Validus
You're not kidding. The whole space part was practically pointless. Donna gathers some of the most powerful people on Earth (leaving it near defenseless btw) and all they do is blow off one of Alex's fingers? Wonderful job.

It amazed me that with months of planning and incredibly well done tie in's...THAT was the best way they thought of ending it?

The high point was by far #4. I saw it running out of steam by 5 but thought they could bring it around by 7.... Boy was I wrong.

It wasn't horrible...but definitely anti-climatic.