WW vs Surfer

Started by Validus7 pages

Originally posted by UniOmni
WW is easily more skilled than Surfer.

But in this match, blow for blow was my vision.

Not skills being utilized.

I know WW is less durable than Surfer.

But is WW stronger than Surfer??

Can she drop him, before he drops her?

But i'm trying to gauge how strong Surfer is seen as being in comparison to WW and other top tier bricks.

This is a slugfest. Nothing but brawn and grit.

No skills!!

WW is to Surfer skillwise, as Robin is to Superman. There is no comparison.


Do we even have a basis for a "non amped" Surfer?

Originally posted by bigbran
Maybe, but he he still has skills, and the people who don't read his comics, say he doesn't.
No!

Surfer's "skills" aren't ANYWHERE near WW's skills.

If Surfer were rendered completely powerless with human durability, SPOILER could kick his ass....

Originally posted by Validus
Do we even have a basis for a "non amped" Surfer?

No. Not really.

I could argue that all displays of him going "HTH" were just him amping his strength...

Draco I'd agree with everything but the Abom being weaker than Diana thing.

He beats on the Hulk, and Hulk is easily onpar with Diana.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Draco I'd agree with everything but the Abom being weaker than Diana thing.

He beats on the Hulk, and Hulk is easily onpar with Diana.

Abom to my knowledge is as strong as Hulk when he isn't very angry. Which is why when Hulk gets stronger than him via anger, Hulk kicks his ass.

I dont think anyone is debating that Surfer is more skilled than Wonderwoman. Surfer wins because Wonderwoman isnt going to hurt him H2H.

Originally posted by Draco69
No, there have been times of many depowerments when she was forced to fight without her powers at all.

Actually a third of career was just her and her MA skills against the world.

I have got time to reply to this before I leave this forum.

Not the third of her life when she sparred with the two you mentioned. 🙂

Give her the Godwave it's the only way she beats the Surfer. 😉

- FO!!

Originally posted by Flame On!!
I have got time to reply to this before I leave this forum.

Not the third of her life when she sparred with the two you mentioned. 🙂

Give her the Godwave it's the only way she beats the Surfer. 😉

- FO!!

She depowers herself when facing Shiva via prayer to the gods. For Batman, she doesn't. She merely holds back her strength and speed.

There's no point in practicing in MA if you can lift a battleship is there?

WW knows this and either holds back or temporarily depowers herself so she can actually get some real practice.

In an all-out battle against Surfer, she would lose of course.

Originally posted by thedude1948
I dont think anyone is debating that Surfer is more skilled than Wonderwoman. Surfer wins because Wonderwoman isnt going to hurt him H2H.

And Thor, Hercules and other bricks have managed to?

Originally posted by Draco69
And Thor, Hercules and other bricks have managed to?

PIS!...... 🙂

Originally posted by UniOmni
WW is easily more skilled than Surfer.

But in this match, blow for blow was my vision.

Not skills being utilized.

I know WW is less durable than Surfer.

But is WW stronger than Surfer??

Can she drop him, before he drops her?

But i'm trying to gauge how strong Surfer is seen as being in comparison to WW and other top tier bricks.

This is a slugfest. Nothing but brawn and grit.

No skills!!

WW is to Surfer skillwise, as Robin is to Superman. There is no comparison.

No skills?

Then WW most likely loses.

We can't properly gauge Surfer's strength or durabiliy level WITHOUT cosmic energy because we have no feats of thus.

WW's basis for winning is her vast superiority of skill.

Originally posted by Draco69
Meaning, trying to learn how to fight or learning any hand to hand combat skills is out.

After all, if you dislike violence why learn how to fight?


Maybe because he had to? I personally dislike fighting, but unfortunately I've been forced to defend myself numerous times, and as a result, I can at least hold my own in most situations. I learned the old fashion way, trial and error. And just so you know, I HAVE had my share of fights with people who where more skilled than I was(in the aspect of actual training in martial arts), some I won, some I lost, but no matter what, I was able to deal it while the fight was going down(though it WAS difficult with the more skilled ones). Now I know that the people I fought were nowhere near as skilled as WW, but I'm pretty sure I'm nowhere near as skilled as Surfer.

Originally posted by Draco69 And you're assuming that Surfer jumped of his board and decided to do some roundhouse kicks against any random alien he came across?

While Galactus was devouring a planet, Surfer was going Bruce Lee on it's surviving inhabitants.

No. He was doing what he's been portrayed as for the last 50 odd years. Flying around on his board and blowing sh** up.[/B]


What makes you think that Galactus was always around? He was Galactus's HERALD. That means that he flew ahead. And I'm sure he was attacked on numerous occasions.

Originally posted by Draco69 Do YOU have any actual on panel fights documenting Surfer going hand to hand with an opponent and NOT using his cosmic energy on his opponent?

Nope....[/B]

So your saying that any fight WW had where she used her tiara, lasso, etc. at any time, proves nothing about her skill h2h? That only the ones where she fought COMPLETELY h2h have any relevance?

Originally posted by Draco69 No, he doesn't.

🙄

PLEASE. He's the friggin Silver Surfer. He's as long range and "paladin" as it gets. He never goes hand to hand unless A) he's severely weakened B) he somehow gets knocked of his board or C) he doesn't have his board around and he's jobbing to someone.[/B]


Have you ever even read a Surfer comic? I can't think of a single instance where he won PURELY though energy blast during the climactic fight in the book. Yes he uses mostly energy blast against the like of minions and such, but during the big fights, he goes at it h2h as much as he blast.

Originally posted by Draco69 PIS involved?

Are we even talking about the same character?

😬

Surfer DOES just fly around and blast things. That's what he does 99.9999% of the time....[/B]


You want to make a bet on that. I tell you what, how about I post some instances of him fighting with someone h2h, and for every instance I find, YOU have to find 99 of him not using h2h at all. Up to it?

Originally posted by Draco69 Specialization? Hah! I would say it doesn't even exist in his reputation. [/B]

Which shows how little you know about Surfer.

Originally posted by Draco69 It's like a powerless Superman vs. Batman.[/B]
Actually it would be like Batman vs a much more durable Superman

Originally posted by Draco69 Or Tony Stark without his armour vs. Iron Fist[/B]
More like Ironman with his armor, with the strength, beams, etc. shut off.

Like I said, I'm not arguing for him to win necessarily, I'm just saying that it's a lot closer than YOUR making it out to be.

As Robin is to Superman?

Hmmmm.........

Superman is an expert in the sum matial arts of his people who are far more ancient than humans.

- FO!!

Simply put Silver Surfer is that dude that routinely flies through stars, and the heart of black holes. he's that dude that nucular bombs do absoluty nothing to . his durability far outstrips Wonder Woman's and he would outlast her in a slugfest. it's not about skill .

Originally posted by Draco69
We can't properly gauge Surfer's strength or durabiliy level WITHOUT cosmic energy because we have no feats of thus.

Surfer didnt have his cosmic energy during his appearance in Planet Hulk (Because of that blue thing on his chest.), the only thing that seemed to be different is his ability to fly and not being able to produce energy blasts or anything else energy related.

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Originally posted by Draco69
Surfer's "skills" aren't ANYWHERE near WW's skills.

If Surfer were rendered completely powerless with human durability, SPOILER could kick his ass....

hell under them conditions Leapfrog could kick his ass.

Originally posted by Draco69
No skills?

Then WW most likely loses.

We can't properly gauge Surfer's strength or durabiliy level WITHOUT cosmic energy because we have no feats of thus.

WW's basis for winning is her vast superiority of skill.

Yeah we can.

The only clearcut time Surfer was amped, was when he absorbed that red sun. Then he was clearly amped.

You saying that, is akin to someone saying we can't judge supermans durability without solar energy coming into play.

Of course...... Superman is powered with sunlight, while Surfer is with pc.

Surfer as he normally is.

The same durability.

And the same strength he used when he knocked out anybody else without blasting them with pc.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Yeah we can.

The only clearcut time Surfer was amped, was when he absorbed that red sun. Then he was clearly amped.

You saying that, is akin to someone saying we can't judge supermans durability without solar energy coming into play.

Of course...... Superman is powered with sunlight, while Surfer is with pc.

Surfer as he normally is.

The same durability.

And the same strength he used when he knocked out anybody else without blasting them with pc.


This post is bullshit.

I think this is probably an instance where...

Surfer is so friggin' durable, there probably isn't much WW can do to hurt him.

On the other hand...

WW is so friggin' skillful at h2h, there probably isn't much SS can do to take her down.

I'd say this is a stalemate, but one where WW puts up a much better showing.

Originally posted by Validus
This post is bullshit.

U 😠 ?

😘 @ homotional whiners. I bet you loved IC, huh?!