full potential franklin is thought bu some to be even beyond omegas. hes already displayed the ability to creat multiple full sized universes without even thinkin much less tiring. at full potential he might well be.
true beyonders exist outside the bounds of the multiverse in the beyond realm they are among the first creations and are beyond the limits of the multiverse and hece beyond LT.
multi abstracts are the combined power of one abstract of EACH universe in the multiverse, that is undoubtedly BEYOND LT him being a judge and not a MULTIVERSAL ABSTRACT
the infinite being was the entire power of the multiverse and was createn along with the true beyonders it killed itself creating the enitire multiverse along with everythin in it abstracts etc. LT is just a GUARD of that multiverse not as power as the actual multiverse{hence his death by THOTU}
wanda with chaos wave{although personally i think shes an idiotic character} is probably the most powerful character ever shown in marvel including true beyonder below TOAA. her chaos wave threatened to destroy not a universe, not a multiverse not even a MEGAVERSE but the entire OMNIVERSE{that is the reality of EVERY other comic book label abstracts. presence, great beast, TOAA, marvel brothers EVERYTHING. and the OMNIVERSAL guradin ROMA REQUESTED her to stop{ROMA is to the omniverse as LT is to the multiverse} showing that he coudnt actually stop her. stupid i know but FACT. so there my list is correct.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
full potential franklin is thought bu some to be even beyond omegas. hes already displayed the ability to creat multiple full sized universes without even thinkin much less tiring. at full potential he might well be.true beyonders exist outside the bounds of the multiverse in the beyond realm they are among the first creations and are beyond the limits of the multiverse and hece beyond LT.
multi abstracts are the combined power of one abstract of EACH universe in the multiverse, that is undoubtedly BEYOND LT him being a judge and not a MULTIVERSAL ABSTRACT
the infinite being was the entire power of the multiverse and was createn along with the true beyonders it killed itself creating the enitire multiverse along with everythin in it abstracts etc. LT is just a GUARD of that multiverse not as power as the actual multiverse{hence his death by THOTU}
wanda with chaos wave{although personally i think shes an idiotic character} is probably the most powerful character ever shown in marvel including true beyonder below TOAA. her chaos wave threatened to destroy not a universe, not a multiverse not even a MEGAVERSE but the entire OMNIVERSE{that is the reality of EVERY other comic book label abstracts. presence, great beast, TOAA, marvel brothers EVERYTHING. and the OMNIVERSAL guradin ROMA REQUESTED her to stop{ROMA is to the omniverse as LT is to the multiverse} showing that he coudnt actually stop her. stupid i know but FACT. so there my list is correct.
Your list is incorrect. Franklin Richards is nowhere close to LT. Multiverse Eternity / Infinity is beneath LT. Franklin Richards has never been shown to that level on panel or otherwise.
True Beyonders, are most likely on-par with LT (if that), not above him.
Multi-abstracts are clearly beneath him, as it was shown that multiversal Eternity was begging LT to render the infinity gauntlet useless.
There has only been one defeat of the LT depicted on-panel ever, and that was by THOTU, that's it, period, end of story. There was a scan somewhere that showed the Living Tribunal holding the two brothers, one in each hand, I'll see if I can dig it up.
nope, wrong, LT has lost to KORVAC and his power has been resisted by dr strange. im not sure if it was MULTI eternity that was begging him, all i saw was normal eternity which was well below the IG. wanda has already shown to be omniversal in scope so LT cant compete. true beyonders are BEYOND the multiverse and hence beyond the GUARD of the multiverse{who doesnt compare to the actual multiverse} there is evidence suggesting{though nowhere near proving} that the ultimate nullifier is more powerful that LT and tha if used properly both cosmic cubes{shaper etc} and the IG can defeat him. if your not gonna look at facts {n im not talkin about the stuff with ig etc which is only hypothetical} than thats your fault. i dunno of any instance when the BROTHERS were held by LT. let me know if u find that scan id like to see if ive been missing out on anything.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
nope, wrong, LT has lost to KORVAC and his power has been resisted by dr strange. im not sure if it was MULTI eternity that was begging him, all i saw was normal eternity which was well below the IG. wanda has already shown to be omniversal in scope so LT cant compete. true beyonders are BEYOND the multiverse and hence beyond the GUARD of the multiverse{who doesnt compare to the actual multiverse} there is evidence suggesting{though nowhere near proving} that the ultimate nullifier is more powerful that LT and tha if used properly both cosmic cubes{shaper etc} and the IG can defeat him. if your not gonna look at facts {n im not talkin about the stuff with ig etc which is only hypothetical} than thats your fault. i dunno of any instance when the BROTHERS were held by LT. let me know if u find that scan id like to see if ive been missing out on anything.
You are completely clueless.
LT did not lose to Korvac. He sealed him inside of the universe and closed it, end of story. He tried to destroy Korvac with a small blast, which didn't work, as a less harmful solution than destroying the universe that Korvac was in. He then sealed that universe shut, and Korvac could do nothing to escape.
Second point: Dr. Strange was being tested. Dr. Strange admitted that LT could easily have destroyed him with but a thought.
Third point: Cosmic cubes are less than the Ultimate Nullifier is less than the IG, which is less than LT.
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Found the scan:
http://onfinite.com/libraries/811287/59a.jpg
Originally posted by Kutulu
You are completely clueless.LT did not lose to Korvac. He sealed him inside of the universe and closed it, end of story. He tried to destroy Korvac with a small blast, which didn't work, as a less harmful solution than destroying the universe that Korvac was in. He then sealed that universe shut, and Korvac could do nothing to escape.
Second point: Dr. Strange was being tested. Dr. Strange admitted that LT could easily have destroyed him with but a thought.
Third point: Cosmic cubes are less than the Ultimate Nullifier is less than the IG, which is less than LT.
LT did lose. though not in the traditional sense. his power lies in JUDGING and passing judgement which can have any effect. he judged korvak to be dangerous to the stability of the multiverse. but could not pass judgement to STOP him and save a single universe. the very fact that he had to settle for the sealing of the universe gives us atleast one instance of WEAKNESS which SHOULD not be present in a multiversal guardian. im not saying KORVAK is more POWERFUL than he any more than im saying XORN is more powerful than the phoenix force. all im saying is that the inability of being able to save a universe and having to SETTLE for a "SOLUTION" as u call it is a weakness which takes away immensely from the infalliability and multiversal power of LT specially since he doesnt have manny appearances ad hence the negetive ratio increases aa lot as suppose to say the showings of surfer losing a fight.
i also know qiute well that strange could be killed by LT but LT himself was SURPRISED taking away from omniscience and also he NEGLECTED a spell which is why strange survived and neglect again takes from his virtual omnipotent status.
so yes your first 2 points are valid but u didnt look at what i was saying. i wasnt saying that strange and korvak are more POWEFUL THAT him but that he LOST to them one way or the other and multiversal guardians do not LOSE and that takesaway from his being INDEFEATABLE.
as for the last point of cosmic cubes, ultimate nullifier and IG u didnt give any evidence and it isnt really right. its just a general consensus throuhg limited facts on this website that people consider one to be greater or lesser than the other, many other people looking at it unbiased have found otherwise{there were some interesting threada a while ago} as far as entire evidence goes i see no reason to suspect either. the ultimate nullifier when it destroyed abraxas most probably destroyed the entire multiverse in the simplest translation. its just your view that u think one is greater than the other.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
LT did lose. though not in the traditional sense. his power lies in JUDGING and passing judgement which can have any effect. he judged korvak to be dangerous to the stability of the multiverse. but could not pass judgement to STOP him and save a single universe. the very fact that he had to settle for the sealing of the universe gives us atleast one instance of WEAKNESS which SHOULD not be present in a multiversal guardian. im not saying KORVAK is more POWERFUL than he any more than im saying XORN is more powerful than the phoenix force. all im saying is that the inability of being able to save a universe and having to SETTLE for a "SOLUTION" as u call it is a weakness which takes away immensely from the infalliability and multiversal power of LT specially since he doesnt have manny appearances ad hence the negetive ratio increases aa lot as suppose to say the showings of surfer losing a fight.i also know qiute well that strange could be killed by LT but LT himself was SURPRISED taking away from omniscience and also he NEGLECTED a spell which is why strange survived and neglect again takes from his virtual omnipotent status.
so yes your first 2 points are valid but u didnt look at what i was saying. i wasnt saying that strange and korvak are more POWEFUL THAT him but that he LOST to them one way or the other and multiversal guardians do not LOSE and that takesaway from his being INDEFEATABLE.
as for the last point of cosmic cubes, ultimate nullifier and IG u didnt give any evidence and it isnt really right. its just a general consensus throuhg limited facts on this website that people consider one to be greater or lesser than the other, many other people looking at it unbiased have found otherwise{there were some interesting threada a while ago} as far as entire evidence goes i see no reason to suspect either. the ultimate nullifier when it destroyed abraxas most probably destroyed the entire multiverse in the simplest translation. its just your view that u think one is greater than the other.
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Originally posted by Galan777
Wanda NEVER warped anything greater then a single universe (616)........ Nice Try though 🙄
she never WARPED the omniverse. i never said she did{im assuming u CAN read} the beyonder never DESTROYED the multiversae. but they COULD, proven by roma's appearance and REQUEST.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
nope its not a ridiculous claim. thanos w ig > single universe and its abstrcats and LT a MULTIVERSAL judge>IGwanda was more powerful than the OMNIVERSAL JUDGE/PROTECTOR. look up the definition of OMNIVERSE. shes easily more powerful than IG.
LT did lose. though not in the traditional sense. his power lies in JUDGING and passing judgement which can have any effect. he judged korvak to be dangerous to the stability of the multiverse. but could not pass judgement to STOP him and save a single universe. the very fact that he had to settle for the sealing of the universe gives us atleast one instance of WEAKNESS which SHOULD not be present in a multiversal guardian. im not saying KORVAK is more POWERFUL than he any more than im saying XORN is more powerful than the phoenix force. all im saying is that the inability of being able to save a universe and having to SETTLE for a "SOLUTION" as u call it is a weakness which takes away immensely from the infalliability and multiversal power of LT specially since he doesnt have manny appearances ad hence the negetive ratio increases aa lot as suppose to say the showings of surfer losing a fight.i also know qiute well that strange could be killed by LT but LT himself was SURPRISED taking away from omniscience and also he NEGLECTED a spell which is why strange survived and neglect again takes from his virtual omnipotent status.
so yes your first 2 points are valid but u didnt look at what i was saying. i wasnt saying that strange and korvak are more POWEFUL THAT him but that he LOST to them one way or the other and multiversal guardians do not LOSE and that takesaway from his being INDEFEATABLE.
as for the last point of cosmic cubes, ultimate nullifier and IG u didnt give any evidence and it isnt really right. its just a general consensus throuhg limited facts on this website that people consider one to be greater or lesser than the other, many other people looking at it unbiased have found otherwise{there were some interesting threada a while ago} as far as entire evidence goes i see no reason to suspect either. the ultimate nullifier when it destroyed abraxas most probably destroyed the entire multiverse in the simplest translation. its just your view that u think one is greater than the other.
Ok first let's go over the story of Korvac since it seems you don't understand it.
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/earthkorvacconquers.htm
The Living Tribunal finally agreed to act, forcing the Earth's sun to go nova, but Korvac shielded the world from the destruction. Living Tribunal then sealed off that universe so that Korvac would be unable to do harm to the rest of the Multiverse. Korvac was trapped; as in could not escape. Korvac was unable to escape. There was zip, zero, zilch, nada, etc. that he could do to escape, even with the Ultimate Nullifier. Living Tribunal wasn't going to destroy that universe; that's not what he does. He does however seal a universe shut, this is considered a fit punishment as the loss of one universe is no big deal.
When Thanos had the IG, Living Tribunal didn't consider it an issue as Thanos was only dominating that universe. When Warlock had it, LT did consider it an issue and forced Warlock unable to use the gems together at the same time.
During the infinity gauntlet and beyond, the Ultimate Nullifier was attempted to be used against the Infinity Gauntlet and failed. Therefore UN < IG < LT.
To top it off, I posted a scan already of LT as being above the brothers. That is all of DC combined and all of Marvel combined, every universe within, is less power than the LT wields.
