Originally posted by leonheartmm
nope its not a ridiculous claim. thanos w ig > single universe and its abstrcats and LT a MULTIVERSAL judge>IGwanda was more powerful than the OMNIVERSAL JUDGE/PROTECTOR. look up the definition of OMNIVERSE. shes easily more powerful than IG.
This scan says it all:
Originally posted by leonheartmm
warping reality in a single universe hardly does but having roma rquest her DEFINATELY does. stop avoiding that fact.darksied and lucifer have never met her. n i doubt they will shes a walking plot device. n i dont like her either.
I'm not sure I understand what are you trying to say here, please elaborate.
Originally posted by leonheartmmI havent avoided anything, that still dosent make her omniversal...... we can only call her omniversal if she has on pannel feats that warrant such a title, and she dosent have those feats.....her feats are universal, nothing more.....stop avoiding THAT fact 😉
warping reality in a single universe hardly does but having roma rquest her DEFINATELY does. stop avoiding that fact.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
also LT isnt SECOND to TOAA not even close. many beings come above himclassic beyonder
true beyonders
infinite being
multi abstracts
full potential franklin richards
thotu
wanda with chaos wave
etc
Just TOAA is above him.
Thanos w/ Heart = power and essance of the Supreme being.
PR Beyonder = power of the writers
Molecule man = well he's an exeption, because he have a drop of the power of the writers.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
full potential franklin is thought bu some to be even beyond omegas. hes already displayed the ability to creat multiple full sized universes without even thinkin much less tiring. at full potential he might well be.
Franklin has never created Full size universes.
Franklin has created Pocket universes.
Point out the issue and I'll look it up, I have every FR appearance ever.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
true beyonders exist outside the bounds of the multiverse in the beyond realm they are among the first creations and are beyond the limits of the multiverse and hece beyond LT.
True Beyonders exist outside the Omni-verse actually, and their Power has never been truly gauged. I'll submit that LT has respect for them, He called Them the INFINITE.
The only Feat I can think of, is when Meggan harnesses their Full Power to stop the Chaos Wave, she succeeded in slowing it down for a short while, but then is overwhelmed.
(I have the incredible Scans, in case anyone's interested.)
But there has been NO On Panel depictions that certifies the Beyonders above LT.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
multi abstracts are the combined power of one abstract of EACH universe in the multiverse, that is undoubtedly BEYOND LT him being a judge and not a MULTIVERSAL ABSTRACT
LT is the Judge of ALL the MULTI-VERSES in the Omni-verse.
The Ultimate Nullifier Destroyed and Remade the MULTI-VERSE.
In the Abraxas arc, the Multi-verse was literally collapsing.
Here Reed says "our Earth is merging with other Alternates"...how can this be...unless the entire Multiverse is misaligned.
Here Nova says "creatures of the MULTIVERSE Mixing --- Reality folding onto itself" again this Multiversal misalignment is literally ripping the Multiverse apart.
Finally what does this lead to?
Reed, "In order to REALIGN ALL that is...we had to END ALL that was.
What was MISALIGNED? The MULTI-VERSE!
How was this done?
Reed uses the Ultimate Nullifier to banish Abraxas & remake the Multiverse
UN remakes the Multiverse in an instant
And to make it clear that the UN is VERY capable of doing just that.
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NOW, here's the Ultimate Nullifier getting HANDLED like a child's Toy by an INCOMPLETE Infinity Gauntlet (it was missing the Reality Gem)
Quasar directed ALL the power of the Ultimate Nullifier at Magus alone
Quasar was actually able to set it off, the same device Reed wiped out and remade the Multiverse with.
Magus controlled those energies and negated Quasar with them, Absolute control..
Notice how they engulf Quasar evenly.
"With a Thought, I turn the Universe's most devastating weapon upon it's bearer"
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NOW, here's the Living Tribunal dominating the COMPLETE Infinity Gauntlet:
LT doesn't ALLOW the Gems to work as one, HOW is that NOT overpowering the Gauntlet if it's UPTO HIM for the Gauntlet to have any significance.
"HIs judgement is obviously keeping the GEMS from working together" this isn't control over the IG?
Galactus has to PLEAD to the Living Tribunal to ALLOW the Gauntlet to function.
Since it was Eternity who convinced the Tribunal to rule against the IG, only Eternity now can make the Living Tribunal change his ruling.
Eternity agrees, realizing the impending danger and faints
A single phrase uttered by LT actually POWERS UP the Infinity Gauntlet.
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AGAIN...
Warlock destroys the hierarchy of representitives, except for LT ofcourse.
With a gesture LT STOPS the IG ATTACK and RECREATES the Abstratcs
AGAIN...
Here he DETERMINES whether he HAD the power or NOT, he EVIDENTLY knew he did.
After Warlock's "warning" of how powerful he was with the Infinity Gauntlet, LT STILL rules against him.
Here LT acknowledges that it would take destroying this UNIVERSE in order to take the Gauntlet from Warlock, he's not hesitating, he simply rather not have to Obliterate a Reality (a Universe) to strip Adam of the IG.
They BOTH knew the outcome before it started.
AGAIN...
Even the stupid Official Handbook BIO says he's more powerful than the Infinity Gauntlet, just like it was depicted On Panel.
SO what does this leave us with?
The Living Tribunal is FAR ABOVE the Multi-verse.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
LT is just a GUARD of that multiverse not as power as the actual multiverse{hence his death by THOTU}
He only lost to the THOTU because that's the Power of TOAA.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
wanda with chaos wave is probably the most powerful character ever shown in marvel including true beyonder below TOAA. her chaos wave threatened to destroy not a universe, not a multiverse not even a MEGAVERSE but the entire OMNIVERSE{that is the reality of EVERY other comic book label abstracts. presence, great beast, TOAA, marvel brothers EVERYTHING
It's true, the Chaos Wave is the Most destructive force in Marvel History, and yes, it is an Omniversal threat, but it was stopped.
And the Omni-verse has absolutely NOTHING to do with Other Companies.
Marvel has its own Omni-verse.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
and the OMNIVERSAL guradin ROMA REQUESTED her to stop {ROMA is to the omniverse as LT is to the multiverse} showing that he coudnt actually stop her.
Roma is NOT more powerful than LT.
Roma needs the Celestial Nullifier to destroy a Universe.
"A few more seconds...and Brane (Universe) 616 will be no more"
Roma threatened to destroy 616 if the Breach was not closed within a certain time limit, Jaspers came by and smashed the Celestial Nullifier.
Roma had to then rebuild the Nullifier in order to Erase the Universe.
The Living Tribunal made Silver Surfer into a UNIVERSE with a passing whim.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
LT has lost to KORVAC
This isn't true.
To begin with What if's suck.
I will prove this conclusively..
Secondly, This was 1982, and at this time LT was ONLY allowed to use Super Novas, (his ultimate Judgement in 1982)
(Now adays LT has Created a Universe, cancelled the Power of the IG, and ahas been conclusively depicted and addressesed as the Most Powerful being in Marvel, second only to the TOAA)
Anyways, Korvac was not the mastermind of this issue, machinations far beyond even his scope were at work in helping him survive LT's "Super Nova"
This is the big moment of surprise and disappointment for all who thought Korvac was more powerful than LT.
Let's do it.
First ALL the positive showings of the issue, then I'll post the rediculousness of a What if comic.
First:
Korvac Absorbs ALL the power of these SIX cosmics, he had already absorbed Galactus's world ship, that gave him instant near-omnipotent power.
Korvac absorbs Galactus's world ship.
LT penetrates Korvacs barrier to blow up the sun in this universe.
LT vaporizes a quarter of that solar system and Korvac survives,
LT caught by surprise by this, decides to leave this universe and seal Korvac in it.
Korvac was so powerful that he could NOT escape the Universe LT trapped him in.
The Surprise:
It was Death that protected Korvac from LT, from annihilation, how?
Death simply didn't permit Korvac to die.
How?
It's Death, just like Thanos isn't fazed by mortality because of Death, so she did the same for Korvac.
"The Eons-Old Stalemate between Eternity and ME has ENDED.
By MY MACHINATIONS, the UNIVERSE shall be MINE"
"DEATH--Korvac's Unbidden ALLY....
"DEATH--Korvac's UNWANTED MASTER"
Why?
Because Death wanted to kill Eternity and Death knew it could get Korvac to retrieve the Ultimate Nullifier to destroy Eternity, this was Death's plan all along.
Apparently even Death was unable to help Korvac withstand the UN though.
Death has power over the dead.
Oblivion is the one with power over the nothing (nullification)
Now the reasons why we shouldn't use What If's in debates even if it includes LT:
Korvac with ALL his power, can't read a Celestial mind,
Korvac CANNOT resurrect just anyone, only someone he kills. Yet he's "omnipotent", LOL.
Korvac fears an Armada of beings that are coming to battle him from all over this universe, but he can kill and absorb some of the most powerful beings in the universe.
This is crap, with all his power he should be able to wipe this army out of existence.
Korvac absorbs every being on this earth to battle this armada.
He becomes so powerful he can sit on planet earth, like if it's a workout ball, but he's still going to rely on the Ultimate Nullifier to destroy this armada along with the universe.
Watcher breaks through Korvac's barrier like nothing, and this is after he absorbed every being on earth, even the visiting Celestials.
Korvac needs Ultimate Nullifier to destroy armada, nonsense, but it's a What If, so why complain.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
LT's power has been resisted by dr strange.
Not in your wildest dreams.
Strange vs LT lmfao
LT was never trying to harm Strange, he was testing him to see if he had it in him to handle a problem on Planet Earth before LT Erased it.
This is the big wow of the issue for Strange, he breaks free from the Rings of Raggadorr that LT trapped him in.
LT here gives Strange another Test, he's Not trying to Harm him in anyway
"Let it then be the Final TEST of my Powers"
Strange says about LT....."I sense a Boundless Force"
So LT sends Dr Strange on his mission or else...
Strange PLEADS while paying Homage to LT, to spare the Earth momentarily while he tries to fix what's wrong
