Ryu Vs. Iori

Originally posted by Sado22

it was AoF and FF that brought SNK to where it is today and are proper classics. that makes them legendary for most SNK loyals. not to mention that it was the whole idea of TerryvsRyo that got SNK into making the most popular 2D fighting game in most of the countries today (save US)...KoF.

I have been saying this for the longest. Though a few folks here seem to not want to hear it. Alot of folks who are new to KOF, has the idea that it all started with Kyo and Iori 🙄

Originally posted by Sado22

well "mark of garou" doesn't seem to be right, since it has been confirmed that in AoF/FF timeline Ryo is 15 years older than Terry Bogard and is the first champ of KoF (which took place in AoF2). get your facts straight for a change.

I blame SNK for this whole mess. In KOF 03, they have Garou Terry next to a bunch of the original Fatal Fury characters... does not look right at ALL. Though Sado I am sure you know that Terry and Fatal Fury in reality came before Ryo and AOF. I am cool with Ryo but damn Terry seems to be getting robbed of everything 😮

Originally posted by Sado22

give me proof and i'll believe you. i have tiamat's "all about capcom" translation sitting on my computer and i happen to read the exact opposite of what you're saying. what i read is:
Ryu did a direct shinshoryuken to Hugo and hugo was not felled.
it mentions nothing of Ryu winning.
if you any please tell me and like always i'll change my opinion then.

I never post something with out proof, so, here you go:

Sean lost to Ken.
Ryu lost to Oro.
Oro didn't show up for his fight against Alex.
Alex won the tourney.
Oh, and Ryu -probably- beat Hugo, since Capcom stated how Ryu hit Hugo
with a shin-shoryuken, and I can't figure out any other place that would
take place besides the SF3 tournament. Then again, Hugo fights Ryu as a
mid-boss in Third Strike as well.

UNCONFIRMED (still trying to track down source. Saiki says it's in one
of the Gamest or Arcadia issues, but which specific one is unknown):
Hugo was stated to have made an amazing performance in the SF3
tournament. He also apparently fought Ryu there, since he got hit by a
clean shot of Ryu's shin shoryuken and wasn't knocked out. Storyline-wise,
Ryu's shin-shoryuken is supposed to be one of the most powerful moves in
the game. Hugo... has a lot of endurance Oo At any rate, though,
contrary to popular belief, the fact that he 'put on an amazing
performance' shows that he at least put up some of a fight vs Ryu

http://db.gamefaqs.com/coinop/arcade/file/street_fighter_plot.txt

Notice that it's now unconfirmed, and also. Ryu was officially disqualified by oro so, I doubt he did not beat hugo.

Originally posted by Sado22

roy does actually do certain moves like Terry...and i was being sarcastic as well. lol.

I know he has certain moves that are similar to rterry, but, like I said, capcom has a tradiion of making an american with blue eye's and blond hair as the main characters rival. Maybe capcom borrowed some animations from terry, who knows. But, roys design cannot be a ripoff of terry.

Originally posted by Sado22

~Sado
P.S. it just occured to me: isn't this thread about Ryu VS Iori? 😕

No one is going to stay on topic around here.

Originally posted by Sado22
but to my knowledge, it isn't actually stated that Ryu fought Hugo in the SF3 tournament. he could very well have fought him during SF 3 3rd strike days (which is post sf3 stories of all characters). Ryu DID come to USA to look for fights didn't he? He probably ran into Hugo there.
if you do know a source (a reliable one) that states that Ryu beat Hugo IN SF3 then let me know, please. thanx.
oh and did you get the ryu pics you wanted?

~Sado

That's unlikely, the thrid street fighter tournament took place in double impact. And hugo's fight is specifically mentioned to take place in double impact.

Originally posted by olympian

Is Captain Marvel a rip off of Superman?

Is Batman a rip off of the Phantom?

yes/no.

Even tho emotions always bring up some heat due to having favorite characters and own opinions, albeigh different, lets continue to enjoy the debate. I for myself apologize any heat, but its something normal with everyone i belive 🏴‍☠️

Batman and phantom don't share the same name, have similar occurence's in their lives (Rich best friend/rival) And similar sounding and looking attacks.

Actually, superman ripped off of captain marvel, prior to captain marvel superman could not fly like he did.

Notice that it's now unconfirmed, and also. Ryu was officially disqualified by oro so, I doubt he did not beat hugo.

"Considering that Alex and Hugo have special intros and are shown fighting each other even in the intro of SF 3: second impact, I think Alex and Hugo did fight in the tournament and Alex obviously defeated him as he couldn't win the thing otherwise.
Ryu is said to have fought Hugo and even failed to defeat him with the shin-sho-ryu-ken (which kinda sucks). So if Ryu couldn't defeat him with his STRONGEST attack I doubt he beat him. I think Hugo and Ryu fought post SF 3 and not during the tournament...obviously cuz from what we know about Ryu not felling Hugo even after the shin sho-ryu-ken, only means that either Ryu had a draw with him or that he lost. And this couldn't be in the tournament because Ryu was eliminated by Oro. I doubt Ryu ever lost to Hugo. Maybe he did the shin-sho-ryu-ken and Hugo got up and they both decided to end it *shrug*. I don't know. Though the part of Hugo surviving the shin-sho-ryu-ken is official. Hah, and who says the shin-sho-ryu-ken owns.
All in all i think Hugo fought and lost to Alex during the SF3 tournament after a great match, and fought Ryu somewhere after the tournament, probably when Ryu came to USA after the SF3 tournament."

Get my meaning. even tiamat continuously says probably so he TOO is guessing since all we know is that Ryu did shinshoryuken and Hugo survived it.

Later dude.
~Sado

Originally posted by Sado22
so it is unconfirmed like i have been saying all along. now look at it this way. This is what I have come to think and i mention it on my site:

Originally posted by Sado22

"Considering that Alex and Hugo have special intros and are shown fighting each other even in the intro of SF 3: second impact, I think Alex and Hugo did fight in the tournament and Alex obviously defeated him as he couldn't win the thing otherwise.:

Not really, dudley and makoto have intro's yet, no connection. intro's don't really mean much.

Originally posted by Sado22

Ryu is said to have fought Hugo and even failed to defeat him with the shin-sho-ryu-ken (which kinda sucks). So if Ryu couldn't defeat him with his STRONGEST attack I doubt he beat him.

Sado, are you aware of what you just posted because it seems your having trouble keeping up with your own argument. I just told you that hugo surving the shin shoryuken is Not confirmed, which you responded with:

"so it is unconfirmed like i have been saying all along"

And now your bringing it up as if it happened, which is it?

Originally posted by Sado22

I think Hugo and Ryu fought post SF 3 and not during the tournament...

Sado, ryu officilally fought hugo in double impact not thrid strike. It says that directly on his profile.

Originally posted by Sado22

obviously cuz from what we know about Ryu not felling Hugo even after the shin sho-ryu-ken, only means that either Ryu had a draw with him or that he lost....

Sado, ryu performing a shin-shoryuken on hugo is unconfirmed. Something you said you've been saying all along, but, now it seems it's become an actual event to you?

Originally posted by Sado22

And this couldn't be in the tournament because Ryu was eliminated by Oro. I doubt Ryu ever lost to Hugo. Maybe he did the shin-sho-ryu-ken and Hugo got up and they both decided to end it *shrug*. I don't know. Though the part of Hugo surviving the shin-sho-ryu-ken is official. Hah, and who says the shin-sho-ryu-ken owns.

Originally posted by Sado22

Get my meaning. even tiamat continuously says probably so he TOO is guessing since all we know is that Ryu did shinshoryuken and Hugo survived it.

Later dude.
~Sado

Tiamat, said that event is unconfirmed.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Batman and phantom don't share the same name, have similar occurence's in their lives (Rich best friend/rival) And similar sounding and looking attacks.

Actually, superman ripped off of captain marvel, prior to captain marvel superman could not fly like he did.

So your answer would be a sound " no"? Allow me to get further then, Captain Marvel who came after Superman shares:

>The same build.

>The same basic costume design with boots and caps.

>Both are dark haired.

>Both have a chest symbol that defines them.

>Both had scientists as main rivals.

>Both are the main guns in theyr universes. Thus they share the same power position.

>Both have the same basic powerset.

Phantom/Batman:

>Both are filthy rich.

>Both wer trained in numerous figthing skills.

>Both have a buttler/helper that has served the family legacy. (Alfred/Guran).

>Both use the supernatural fear as the main weapon.

>Both used guns when they first popped up.

>Both use dark costumes.

>Both use ninja like tactics (disappearing acts, etc).

>Both teach kids that will follow theyr steps (the Phantom sons and Robin).

>Both use a "mark" that defines them and again scares the underworld.

>Both are the main vigilantes in theyr respective universes.

>Both wer created due to the death of parents and by the vow of vengeance. And both when they wer young. They are basically the same character.

Now, yes. They dont share the same name. And the costumes while from the same obvious influence arent the same. However in contradiction, Ryu and Ryo share practically the same name. Both Ryo and Ken are blond. And the color scheme is alike. And both the R`s have a rich friend. But what else? The powerset? The examples above both have that. History? Not the same. Backstory? Not even alike. Personality? Lets not go there.

All in all whether your answer is that he started as a rip off or not (well, i dont consider CM and Batman ripp offs either...) one has to give some props to SNK to build him upon those similarities to a more unique character that today we have. Especially when he shows up in his original story/self as aged Ryo. Just like Batman moved upon being just another similiar "Phantom".

Shazaam may actually be a bit of a ripoff, but he was also a bigtime improvement on Supes, who is lame as it gets. Cap.Marvel has a better disguise since he turns back into a kid. Far better than that stupid glasses s**t Supes does. & as stated, Supes stole the idea of flight from CM. CM was such an improvement that he quickly began outselling Supes. So much that DC had to sue and win the war that way. Once DC got a hold of CM they put him on the backburner to make Supes look cool. I wish I knew more about the Phantom. You're basically saying that Ryo started as a ripoff, but they've made him less alike since. I can agree w/that, but I don't forgive ripoffs easily. I still think his creation was a very bad move on SNK's part. AOF as a series wasn't all that great. The only things they did right were Supers & King & the zoom out thing w/the camera. Most of the characters were forgettable. & Robert would have been more acceptable as the star. We should end this dispute though, because it's not going anywhere. Ryu vs. Iori

Originally posted by brainchild81
Shazaam may actually be a bit of a ripoff, but he was also a bigtime improvement on Supes, who is lame as it gets. Cap.Marvel has a better disguise since he turns back into a kid. Far better than that stupid glasses s**t Supes does. & as stated, Supes stole the idea of flight from CM. CM was such an improvement that he quickly began outselling Supes. So much that DC had to sue and win the war that way. Once DC got a hold of CM they put him on the backburner to make Supes look cool. I wish I knew more about the Phantom. You're basically saying that Ryo started as a ripoff, but they've made him less alike since. I can agree w/that, but I don't forgive ripoffs easily. I still think his creation was a very bad move on SNK's part. AOF as a series wasn't all that great. The only things they did right were Supers & King & the zoom out thing w/the camera. Most of the characters were forgettable. & Robert would have been more acceptable as the star. We should end this dispute though, because it's not going anywhere. Ryu vs. Iori

You hate SUPERMAN?!!!....OFF TO THE DUNGEON WITH YOU!...just kidding.

I agree with the mentioning King part.

King is so underrated it's a shame. We don't get King or Mary or Kim Kap in MI but we get Ryo & Yuri & Mignon Bert? WTF!!!!??

Side note: Sado did you say that Yuri was very unoriginal while defending Ryo?

Originally posted by brainchild81
King is so underrated it's a shame. We don't get King or Mary or Kim Kap in MI but we get Ryo & Yuri & Mignon Bert? WTF!!!!??

Side note: Sado did you say that Yuri was very unoriginal while defending Ryo?

I can finally agree with you 100%(for the first time) but on a side note....Kim is in MI2(or as it's called Kof 06)

Originally posted by olympian
So your answer would be a sound " no"? Allow me to get further then, Captain Marvel who came after Superman shares:

>The same build.

>The same basic costume design with boots and caps.

>Both are dark haired.

>Both have a chest symbol that defines them.

>Both had scientists as main rivals.

>Both are the main guns in theyr universes. Thus they share the same power position.

>Both have the same basic powerset.

>The same build.
Does that really matter?

>The same basic costume design with boots and caps.
Okay, you have a point.

>Both are dark haired.
Maybe

>Both had scientists as main rivals.
Captain Marvel had that first, superman stole it from him.

>Both have the same basic powerset.
Superman [Stole[/B] some powers from captain marvel, like flight.

>Both have a chest symbol that defines them.
So, is a majority of superheroes, and captain marvels symbol doesn't really define him.

Originally posted by olympian

Phantom/Batman:

>Both are filthy rich.

>Both wer trained in numerous figthing skills.

>Both have a buttler/helper that has served the family legacy. (Alfred/Guran).

>Both use the supernatural fear as the main weapon.

>Both used guns when they first popped up.

>Both use dark costumes.

>Both use ninja like tactics (disappearing acts, etc).

>Both teach kids that will follow theyr steps (the Phantom sons and Robin).

>Both use a "mark" that defines them and again scares the underworld.

>Both are the main vigilantes in theyr respective universes.

>Both wer created due to the death of parents and by the vow of vengeance. And both when they wer young. They are basically the same character.

Batman really was a replacement to slam bradley, the first star of detective comics. So, it would not be a surprise that he is a good fighter, carried a gun and use fear as a weapon. Batman did not start off using supernatural fear as a weapon though and batman is not the main vigilante in his universe.
Yeah, I'm sure batman borrowed idea's from phantom. The only way for batman can be a rip off if he had similar: Design, moveset, fighting style, name, and associates like ryo and ryu.

Okay, this is where your argument fallls apart. You said the creator of ryu left capcom and created ryo, most likely out of spite. so, ryo at best is a spoof or a rip offf. never mind that till this day snk gives the kyokugen team capcomm moves. Like giving yuri a Shin-Shoryu-Ken ,a dn a shungokusatsu, and a denjin hadouken in kof 2001. So, it's most likely a spoof which is a little higher than rip off. all and all, RYO IS A JOKE

Emperor...what's with putting my name behind every reply. i get the pictures that you're replying to me so what's up with that? 😕

in any case:

Sado, you said ryu did shin shoryuken him, you never said it was unconfirmed.

Not really, dudley and makoto have intro's yet, no connection. intro's don't really mean much.

Sado, are you aware of what you just posted because it seems your having trouble keeping up with your own argument. I just told you that hugo surving the shin shoryuken is Not confirmed, which you responded with:
"so it is unconfirmed like i have been saying all along"
And now your bringing it up as if it happened, which is it?

Sado, ryu officilally fought hugo in double impact not thrid strike. It says that directly on his profile.

Sado, ryu performing a shin-shoryuken on hugo is unconfirmed. Something you said you've been saying all along, but, now it seems it's become an actual event to you?

Tiamat, said that event is unconfirmed.

Sado did you say that Yuri was very unoriginal while defending Ryo?

~Sado

Originally posted by Sado22
Emperor...what's with putting my name behind every reply. i get the pictures that you're replying to me so what's up with that? 😕

in any case:

emperor, the shinshoryuken is CANON. lets get this clear.

No, it's not, saod, it's unconfimred.

UNCONFIRMED (still trying to track down source. Saiki says it's in one
of the Gamest or Arcadia issues, but which specific one is unknown):
Hugo was stated to have made an amazing performance in the SF3
tournament. He also apparently fought Ryu there, since he got hit by a
clean shot of Ryu's shin shoryuken and wasn't knocked out. Storyline-wise,
Ryu's shin-shoryuken is supposed to be one of the most powerful moves in
the game. Hugo... has a lot of endurance Oo At any rate, though,
contrary to popular belief, the fact that he 'put on an amazing
performance' shows that he at least put up some of a fight vs Ryu

http://db.gamefaqs.com/coinop/arcade/file/street_fighter_plot.txt

Originally posted by Sado22

emperor, i am telling you that the shinshoryuken and hugo surving it is canon. the part that is NOT canon is Ryu winning and where they fought. and my comment was regarding their fight....AGAIN sorry for my misleading posts.

It's unconfirmed.

Originally posted by Sado22

err...can you give me the source? thanx.

Sure

Hugo, along with his manager, Poison, has
decided to enter the SF3 tournament in order to find a good tag team
partner for his wrestling career. He was a surprise entry, but stated to
have put on an 'amazing performance' [Official]. I doubt he found one,
though. His ending seems to be a just-for-fun ending. Most likely, Ryu
beat Hugo, since Capcom has stated that they fought. And Hugo obviously
didn't beat Ryu, since Oro was the one to beat Ryu.

http://db.gamefaqs.com/coinop/arcade/file/street_fighter_plot.txt

Originally posted by Sado22

emperor, i've been saying that:
-ryu hitting the shinshoryuken on Hugo IS CANON.
-ryu doing it to him in SF3 double impact is NOT CANON (to my knowledge)
-hence Ryu winning is not confirmed.

Sigh, I just posted my source's, capcom has stated they fought in double impact.

Originally posted by Sado22

...and?

And. . . unless you can find a source saying ryu performed a shin-shoryu-ken on hugo and he survived it's not canon.

Originally posted by Sado22

i did but olympian reminded me that yuri came before Sakura and another cbick. so no, she's pretty original then.

~Sado

No, goukens daughter was around since street fighter 2 which came out in 1991.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
LOl, wiki is a terrible source to use, and I doubt it.

Originally posted by Remulous
Not only that, but I find that Wiki is very SNK baised.

Explain?

Originally posted by Sado22

no not really. KoF is WAY more popular in Japan and most of the other countries. Even on wikipedia they aknowledge this fact...and clearly state that in most countries KoF is more popular.

Originally posted by Remulous
I'm not trying to go against SNK becuase I like CAPCOM and SNK about the same, but SF has sold WAY more copys than KOF and brought in far more of a profit. Altough I have heared that SF has kinda fallen out in Japan, so has every other fighting game franchise that started out in 2d. SF is also on record for the best selling fighting game of all time rather it be 2d, 3d, weapons, or what ever.

Sf has not fallen out in japan, I dunno who told you that. One arcade has been holding super turbo tournaments since 1994. Also, fighting games aside, snk can't touch capcom no matter how much I like neo geo/snk. Resident evil, devil may cry, mega man, etc no competetion.

Emperor:
the link is not working🙁
is it the tiamat faq one cuz i have that with me?
~Sado

The link works fine, are you serious?

http://db.gamefaqs.com/coinop/arcade/file/street_fighter_plot.txt

Which version of his faq do you have?