Ryu Vs. Iori

Originally posted by Sado22

and a few lines later you say SNK fans are ridiculous! ha-ha!
so for you a blond guy, who takes life easy, does a powerwave ripoff, a powergeyser ripoff, and if i'm not mistaken, a burnknuckle wannabe move and is a typical blue eyed, american blond is not ripping off Terry Bogard.

Wow, sado your a moron. are you aware that every rival of the main character of a fighting game in capcom is a blond haired american guy?! I guess terry riped off of cody, right?

Originally posted by Sado22

[sarcasm]no wonder you think someone who does ONE of Ryu's move like him and wears a gi is a Ryu virtual clone. *slaps his forehead* gee, it makes perfect sense now [/sarcasm]

[sarcasm]So, different, a Orange ripped gi, with a shirt under it, wowo[/sarcasm]

Originally posted by Sado22

somebody please send him pictures.....oh and if you people don't know yet:
now ripped sleeves is Capcom's innovation. 😆

~Sado
P.S. i was happy to finish our stupid skirmishes and even apologized for being rude at one point....but YOU crossed the line here by flaming me.

Making a lame argument, and accusing me of creating it I.E. Gi's. And now the ripped sleeve's thing, screw you sado, lol.

This... has gotten so far out of hand now, that we've lost the original topic of the debate...

You two, cool it now... (I know, strange coming from me, but I'm not as bad as you might think I am Sado 😛 )

Listen up guys, if this degenerates too much further, I'm going to have to pull the plug and report the thread to Lana, this is getting dangrously close to Flamesville.

I hear all this talk about SF ripping DBZ, but their is 1 big difference, DBZ is a cartoon SF is a game. Wearing a gi and having a projetile doesn't make it a rip. It's when you have a gi, same character relationships, a jumping upper cut, and a spinning kick move that moves you across the screen, along with a projectile. That's when it's a rip off, pals.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar

EDIT: I can't believe people are defending ryo's [B]"Originality" [/B]

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
This... has gotten so far out of hand now, that we've lost the original topic of the debate...

You two, cool it now... (I know, strange coming from me, but I'm not as bad as you might think I am Sado 😛 )

Listen up guys, if this degenerates too much further, I'm going to have to pull the plug and report the thread to Lana, this is getting dangrously close to Flamesville.

Originally posted by Remulous
I hear all this talk about SF ripping DBZ, but their is 1 big difference, DBZ is a cartoon SF is a game. Wearing a gi and having a projetile doesn't make it a rip. It's when you have a gi, same character relationships, a jumping upper cut, and a spinning kick move that moves you across the screen, along with a projectile. That's when it's a rip off, pals.

Your right darkstorm, I got out of hand I apologize for doing that, and I apologize to sado for flaming him. But, I do feel he ignore certain post and plays the victim at times. But, I shouldn't have flamed him nonetheless, my bad.

LOL, most popular, kof is only popular in mexico and parts of china. capcom owns arcades in us, japan, and some places in europe. Nevermind that AOF and FF 1 sucked, it was until they borrrowed the street fighter 2 engine they became big.

Wow, that makes him so original, he has a different backstory. . .

It isn't because he throws a projectile, it's because he throws a projectile called Ko-Ken while having other huge similarities with ryu.

Please sado, you act like you didn't do the same. When you accused me of calling ryo a knock off because of his gi only, so you shut up.

Shinkkuuu- hadouken is a super, not a special.

Get my facts straight, like when you got all those sf facts wrong. Your such a hypocrite it's ridiculous. When you claimed guile/chun li killed bison, or shinkuu-hadouken is a special?

Wow, sado your a moron. are you aware that every rival of the main character of a fighting game in capcom is a blond haired american guy?! I guess terry riped off of cody, right?

I flamed you cause you deserve it, your hyppocrism has crossed the line. telling me to get my facts straight abou aof/ff when you made the same errors for Street fighter. Making a lame argument, and accusing me of creating it I.E. Gi's. And now the ripped sleeve's thing, screw you sado, lol.

when its all said and done, i guess we've both realized our own errors. things were said and nerves were pressed...but best we put it behind us.
Peace dude.

You two, cool it now... (I know, strange coming from me, but I'm not as bad as you might think I am Sado)

See you people around. Just for the record, just try keeping it cool and seeing things from the other guy's point of view.

~Sado

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Whoa, roy is a knock off of terry? How did you come to that conclusion, Brainchild? Their nothing a like. Also, who's kyosuke a knock off of?

Snk does have alot of original characters, But your talking it too far.

EDIT: I can't believe people are defending ryo's [B]"Originality" (I use that word lightly,snk fans are ridicules at times.)

Nobody in dragon ball whore rip sleeve's, and dragon ball owes "Hokuto No Ken" royalties for stealing their ki techniques. [/B]

And your last part gives us all the wonder conclusion of it all. SF isent inovative or original EITHER. They all got back from the SAME influences.

So why is ONE property getting the backlash when the same team used the SAME influences on another company to create yet another property?

The amount of hate in this matter its insane. Not to mention illogical.

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Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
First of all, screw that guy. Is there any proof that he even created ryu, because this is starting to sound like bs snk fans make up to defend ryo all the time.

Second, No one is arging that capcom created the [B]Karate Fighter Archetype, that would be absurd. We all know that japanese fighting games were bound to have this archetype that is chracterized by

-Karate Gi (Whatever variation, mostly short sleeves though)
-A variation of the tornado kick, A trademark karate move
-A variation of the Rising uppercut, another trademark karate move
-And possible ki blast

Capcom was the first to cash in on it, so, naturally people might call others rip offs. But, ryo IS a rip off, because he follows the exact same model that capcom used for there Karate-KA Archetype. Right, down to the letters of the name.

No, a hero having a best friend.rival who is rich and know's the same style as him.

Try having 3 similar moves with identical names, if he just had a rising uppercut and a fprojectile or both, no problem. But, Rising uppercut, rojectile, and flying kick move with identicle names?!

Try having a gi with the same model as ryu, and having kens hair tight down to the eye brows.

Actually, no, gouken had a daught that ws retcooned later on.

6- Marco came before, didnt he?

sean matsuda, came out in 1997. [/B]

1- BS my arse, gentle sir. Same team. Same head creators. Did both games. Thus. They have similiar designs. And. read it. The same influences. Thats all there is to it about it.

2- Good. We already have an architepe. Wich means anything else coming from this same influence will look alike. Ryo and Ryu look alike, Akuma also looks alike, Marco also looks alike.

Except in story and personality. There lie the major differences.

3- You just said Capcom didnt created the archetype. And if they did, THEN since the head creators wer the same...you do the count?

Neither is original. Both are similiar. Same creators. Same influences.

But lookit closer. Different enough. Ryo`s character has nothing to do with Ryu. And the name while an OBVIOUS MOCK at Capcom, DOES exist.

4- No one is saying its not similiar for the reasons above. However the gi isent the same as Ryu neither an inovation by capcom. Ken`s colored Gi comes from DB as well. Maybe Ken borrowed it from Goku and co.

5- And did Akuma showed up before AOF, by any chance?

6- Ill give you that. Even tho how its a rip off is beyond me. Capcom isent the first to use that concept either.

Originally posted by Sado22

no not really. KoF is WAY more popular in Japan and most of the other countries. Even on wikipedia they aknowledge this fact...and clearly state that in most countries KoF is more popular.

Originally posted by Sado22

and THIS is why i accuse YOU of ignoring my posts. i definitely said more than just his backstory. just the way you ignore Olympain's points and concentrate on ONLY the goku bit even though he's put up some really great points that should have made you realize how wrong you are. but whatever man. like i said, i'll try not doing it again. so...
Repend...and thou shalt be saved😉

Sado, are you kidding me, this is exactly what I'm talking about.I addressed olypians post and did not focus only on goku. Here's just ONE responce:

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
First of all, screw that guy. Is there any proof that he even created ryu, because this is starting to sound like bs snk fans make up to defend ryo all the time.

Second, No one is arging that capcom created the [B]Karate Fighter Archetype, that would be absurd. We all know that japanese fighting games were bound to have this archetype that is chracterized by

-Karate Gi (Whatever variation, mostly short sleeves though)
-A variation of the tornado kick, A trademark karate move
-A variation of the Rising uppercut, another trademark karate move
-And possible ki blast

Capcom was the first to cash in on it, so, naturally people might call others rip offs. But, ryo IS a rip off, because he follows the exact same model that capcom used for there Karate-KA Archetype. Right, down to the letters of the name.

No, a hero having a best friend.rival who is rich and know's the same style as him.

Try having 3 similar moves with identical names, if he just had a rising uppercut and a fprojectile or both, no problem. But, Rising uppercut, rojectile, and flying kick move with identicle names?!

Try having a gi with the same model as ryu, and having kens hair tight down to the eye brows.

Actually, no, gouken had a daught that ws retcooned later on.

sean matsuda, came out in 1997. [/B]

Originally posted by Sado22

we were DEFINITELY clear on this last time i brought it up

What, this is exactly what you said:

"not to mention AoF being the series that invented the "specials" to begin with. "

I responded:

"Specials were around since street fighter one, the series which started them"

And this is what you said:

"you're telling me shinkuu-hadouken was around since SF1?
AoF is the series that started it, dude."

This is why I told you, shinkuu hadou ken is not a super.

Originally posted by Sado22

tell me which facts i got wrong?
as for chunli/guile killing bison, other guys here also agreed that i was right in saying that. and not to mention how i clearly said that they are MOST LIKELY the winners.
as for shinkuu-hadouken...that isn't getting facts wrong. shinkuuhadouken was NOT around during SF1 which was what i was talking about. you call it "super". i call it "special" or "DM". bottom line is you knew well what i was talking about since i even speciffy that i was talking about the shinkuu-hadouken.
any other facts that i got wrong?

This exactly what I'm talking about, how am I supposed to realistically know that by Special you mean Super?!

And facts you got wrong, okay lets see here:
"Ryu beating Hugo is not canon nor is it confirmed"

Yeah, it is,just the shin shoryu-ken is unconfirmed.

You claimed:
Chunli/guile beat bison, me and trickster presit corrected you.

You claimed alpha 3 bison had no control of his power

etc, c'mon

Originally posted by Sado22

given that i have already accepted your apologies, i'll ignore your comment here.
as for the blonde american thing, frankly i don't even get your point here. Terry and Cody are both heroes of their games and NOT sidekicks or rivals of main characters. cody is a hotheaded, brash, brawling and a jail bird. terry is cool headed, intense, easy going, hometown legend. so really...i don't know what you're trying to get at here.

It's sarcasm, you called roy a rip off of terry. And I proceeded to tell you that capcom always has an american as rival for the main character of alot of their fighting games I.E. ken and cody. And cody and guy are officially rivals

Originally posted by Sado22

as for my hypocrism, never mind again cuz obviously we misunderstood each other on more than one occasion.
the street fighter facts, thing, i answered above.
make lame arguments is again arguable since we clearly never understand eachothers point.
the ripped sleeve thing was a jab at you and sorry for that.

Originally posted by Sado22

when its all said and done, i guess we've both realized our own errors. things were said and nerves were pressed...but best we put it behind us.
Peace dude.

no man, its cool. and i don't think its strange coming from you either. you always were reasonable and we both figured out that our beef was only because of a slight "difference in reading a text" bit.

~Sado

Originally posted by Remulous
I hear all this talk about SF ripping DBZ, but their is 1 big difference, DBZ is a cartoon SF is a game. Wearing a gi and having a projetile doesn't make it a rip. It's when you have a gi, same character relationships, a jumping upper cut, and a spinning kick move that moves you across the screen, along with a projectile. That's when it's a rip off, pals.

Contradiction much? Lets pretend that AOF never happened. So Ryu wouldnt be a rip off even when :

- He has a friendy rival.

- He uses Karate Gi and ripped.

- The Gi used by the figthers are colored.

- Using: fireball, Ki, close projections.

- Having a master that died.

- Being an orphan and taken under a master.

- Having an enemy with close relationships with him.

- Having a female counterpart.

What is so original about it? Really i feel like im in another "Goku is a Superman rip off" even tho Superman itself was never that original in the first place.

So they ripped off the same influences. Big deal. As long the characters themselves are different i dont give a slick if they both use fireballs, ripped gi`s, and/or act as mocks of each other because of the departure of the same team to the rival company.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Whoa, roy is a knock off of terry? How did you come to that conclusion, Brainchild? Their nothing a like. Also, who's kyosuke a knock off of?

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
EDIT: I can't believe people are defending ryo's [B]"Originality" (I use that word lightly,snk fans are ridicules at times[/B]

& Sado these other characters you seem to like mentioning don't get called ripoffs here but Ryo does. Why hasn't Capcom made a mockery of them like they did w/dan? Take a step back from the situation & you'll easily see why. NONE of these other guys have as much in common w/Ryu as Ryo does. This is not rocket science

Olympian. Please show me one person or even a team claiming Ryu. Seems like something to brag about

Originally posted by Sado22
Yo!
yes, he could use a different name.
yes, he probably would be better off without a karate gi.
yes, he has similar work ethics.

but that doesn't make him a ripoff

Originally posted by olympian
They did after a battle. Numerous times 😮‍💨

And your last part gives us all the wonder conclusion of it all. SF isent inovative or original EITHER. They all got back from the SAME influences.

Originally posted by olympian

So why is ONE property getting the backlash when the same team used the SAME influences on another company to create yet another property?

The amount of hate in this matter its insane. Not to mention illogical.

What team, can you verify this.

Originally posted by olympian

1- BS my arse, gentle sir. Same team. Same head creators. Did both games. Thus. They have similiar designs. And. read it. The same influences. Thats all there is to it about it.

Confirm this, because it seems like bs,get asource and I'll believe

Originally posted by olympian

2- Good. We already have an architepe. Wich means anything else coming from this same influence will look alike. Ryo and Ryu look alike, Akuma also looks alike, Marco also looks alike.

Originally posted by olympian

Except in story and personality. There lie the major differences.

Wow, two things, major difference.

Originally posted by olympian

3- You just said Capcom didnt created the archetype. And if they did, THEN since the head creators wer the same...you do the count?

Can you get a source saying the head desingers were the same, and if they were. why did the big shots at snk except the design when it was a ripp off.

Originally posted by olympian

Neither is original. Both are similiar. Same creators. Same influences.

Originally posted by olympian

But lookit closer. Different enough. Ryo`s character has nothing to do with Ryu. And the name while an OBVIOUS MOCK at Capcom, DOES exist.

So, then ryo is obviously a spite made at capcom adn ryu I.E. ripoff

Originally posted by olympian

4- No one is saying its not similiar for the reasons above. However the gi isent the same as Ryu neither an inovation by capcom. Ken`s colored Gi comes from DB as well. Maybe Ken borrowed it from Goku and co.

Goku doesn't where a karate gi for godsakes, why do you keep bringing dragon ball which is based on "Journey to the west" I.E. chinese mythology into this?

The similarities goku and ryu have is a blue projectile, and the fact there both martial artist.

Originally posted by olympian

5- And did Akuma showed up before AOF, by any chance?

Of what i know the planning/production of both games wer done by the same guys.

Finish Hiroshi, the guy who planned SF1 was one of the producers of the AOF series.

Takashi Nishiyama, also credited in the name of Piston Takashi was the guy who produced AOF3 and the guy who directed SF1. If you check the credits of both games, the names are there. This gent not only was the resposible the said game but others of SNK as well.

This is for Brainchild as well, wich seems continues to not want to read. They produced both games. They left one company to another. Its clear why the games look similiar, without being exactly the same.

Ive read that the departure of these gents wasent friendly, so if it was by mockery or not, i cant tell, altho it seems likely. But in the end, both borrow the same influences. And have enough differences that set them apart.

No is saying they arent alike. Saying one is a rip off of an original its the crazy part. There is nothing actually original about Ryu himself.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Confirm this, because it seems like bs,get asource and I'll believe

No, it's not about the archtype, it's about the fact they [B]ripped off the model that capcom used for said archetype. Yes, there is an archetpe, But, not everyone who uses it wil have the similar moves spelled a similar way, similar name, and the archetype deosn't have a best friend/rival.

Wow, two things, major difference.

Can you get a source saying the head desingers were the same, and if they were. why did the big shots at snk except the design when it was a ripp off.

Same character

So, then ryo is obviously a spite made at capcom adn ryu I.E. ripoff

Goku doesn't where a karate gi for godsakes, why do you keep bringing dragon ball which is based on "Journey to the west" I.E. chinese mythology into this?

The similarities goku and ryu have is a blue projectile, and the fact there both martial artist.

What does akuma have to do wtih this, he's just goukens counter part. [/B]

1- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_of_Fighting

Before you start spinning around, the trivia and the link to other reliable sites its what matters.

2- *Toryama`s Goku* had a friendly rival who learned under the same master. Goku was an orphan at the time even and they both had the same moves. The master had the same moves as well and was an elder. His previous master also an elder happen to have died. It was created in 84 using concepts already existing.

3- Backstory, he actually uses other cloathes while Ryu sleeps with only those like a bum, he has a life, he lives in a more dinamic shared universe, he has obligations that the previous character doesnt have, he has a family, love interest, an interesting game story unlike Ryu, etc

Yeah. The spitting image of Ryu here.

4- Just look at Virtua Figther.

5- Now, whos talking nonsense? Toryama`s work is based on chinese legends of the Monkey King, yesir.

But he did wore a karate gear. A red one. Without sleeves. Wich would rip after a battle. With a master and friendly rivals with the same moves and teached all under the same tutelage. With enemys closely tied to him. Two of them including being extremely close tied with one of his masters. And oh yes, as mentioned before he was an Orphan as well.

No, nothing alike at all. Just the blue handed fireball, Ki, close projectiles, Ripped battle cloathes, master...

5- Well, did he?

One last mention about the name point. I think its pretty clear that both Shado and i who are defending the character pretty much agree that he name he got, is exactly the lowest point of said character.

There is no reason at all they couldnt come with a different name, no matter that both Ryu and Ryo are actual Japaneze names/surnames. At least in my mind. As the same i belive its equally obvious that name was chosen as mockery. But that, gents its the name. Not the character itself and how he was devolopded.

(Unlike a certain example in Virtual figther (i know my example wasent explained well above and would leave EMP wondering. Probably).

With this in mind id like both Brainchild and Emp to respond the following questions:

Is Captain Marvel a rip off of Superman?

Is Batman a rip off of the Phantom?

yes/no.

Even tho emotions always bring up some heat due to having favorite characters and own opinions, albeigh different, lets continue to enjoy the debate. I for myself apologize any heat, but its something normal with everyone i belive 🏴‍☠️

LOl, wiki is a terrible source to use, and I doubt it

This is my point, You just accused me of only acknowledging his goku argument when i made this.

What, this is exactly what you said:
"not to mention AoF being the series that invented the "specials" to begin with. "
I responded:
"Specials were around since street fighter one, the series which started them"
And this is what you said:
"you're telling me shinkuu-hadouken was around since SF1?
AoF is the series that started it, dude."
This is why I told you, shinkuu hadou ken is not a super.

This exactly what I'm talking about, how am I supposed to realistically know that by Special you mean Super?!

Ryu beating Hugo is not canon nor is it confirmed
Yeah, it is,just the shin shoryu-ken is unconfirmed.

Chunli/guile beat bison, me and trickster presit corrected you.

You claimed alpha 3 bison had no control of his power

you see...most of our beef has been due to misunderstandings. i can't believe it!

It's sarcasm, you called roy a rip off of terry. And I proceeded to tell you that capcom always has an american as rival for the main character of alot of their fighting games I.E. ken and cody. And cody and guy are officially rivals

True but sado, sometimes certain things you post ignore my arguments. like claiming I only addressed the goku part of olypians post are you serious?

hopefully we don't go around slitting each other's throats in other threads from now on.

~Sado
P.S. it just occured to me: isn't this thread about Ryu VS Iori? 😕

Well since ryu lost his fight in the tournament against oro , it is logical to believe he won against hugo

Well since ryu lost his fight in the tournament against oro , it is logical to believe he won against hugo

~Sado