Ryu Vs. Iori

Hey emperor,
from the tiamat plotguide that i have it says the following:

Very few details are known about the Street Fighter 3 tournament, though more are known than Street Fighter 2, at least. Here are the few official statements that could be found about it, most from Capcom's web page itself.
-Sean lost to Ken.
-Ryu lost to Oro.
-Oro didn't show up for his fight against Alex.
-Alex won the tourney.
-Oh, and Ryu -probably- beat Hugo, since Capcom stated how Ryu hit Hugo with a shin-shoryuken, and I can't figure out any other place that would take place besides the SF3 tournament. Then again, Hugo fights Ryu as a mid-boss in Third Strike as well.

Street Fighter 3 Second Impact: Hugo, along with his manager, Poison, has
decided to enter the SF3 tournament in order to find a good tag team
partner for his wrestling career. He was a surprise entry, but stated to
have put on an 'amazing performance' [Official]. I doubt he found one,
though. His ending seems to be a just-for-fun ending. Most likely, Ryu
beat Hugo, since Capcom has stated that they fought. And Hugo obviously
didn't beat Ryu, since Oro was the one to beat Ryu. Ryu is one of four
possible tag team partners for Hugo in Hugo's ending (the other three being
Elena, Gill, and Necro), so if Hugo's ending did happen (even though it
probably didn't), Ryu would be the most likely candidate for the partner
Hugo picked up (and of course, it'd have to be only temporary).

and why i said ryu not being impressive against Hugo is because:

Final Fight Streetwise: Growing old but still fighting and wrasslin',
Andore is one of Vitto's pit fighters (and likely the best one) in Little
Italy. Kyle beats him when Kyle offered to fight in Vitto's pit fights, though, but he continues to be a pit fighter in Little Italy. [from game]

see ya later dude.
~Sado

I never said it's not canon, I said it's Unconfirmed. You implyed that ryu lost to hugo, I'm still waiting for a source or an explanation backed by a source.

EDIT: Final Fight street wise isn't really verified to be canon, nevermind it contradicts the plot guide entirely.

agreed. my bad for not geting your point [this is getting annoying isn't it?]. lol.

~Sado.

Originally posted by Sado22
agreed. my bad for not geting your point [this is getting annoying isn't it?]. lol.

~Sado.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Explain?

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Sf has not fallen out in japan, I dunno who told you that. One arcade has been holding super turbo tournaments since 1994. .

"Also, fighting games aside, snk can't touch capcom no matter how much I like neo geo/snk. Resident evil, devil may cry, mega man, etc no competetion".

That's why as an over all company I like CAPCOM a bit more.

the kyosuke being ripoff of iori is just plain ridiculous! it makes no sense. you guys want to know why people say he is a ripoff, check it out on frankie (the retard) yagami's site. i'll send you guys the link. oh and emperor, eve the roy bromwell thing is there incase you were curious to know why. here:
http://www.fightersgeneration.com/fightgen/main.htm

keep scrolling down and you'll see it.

~Sado

Originally posted by Remulous
So then why was SF sold to CAPCOM USA, where it seems to be more popular.

Beats me, never mind that capcom of japan eliminatated studio production 4 which is capcom of america's only game developing studio.Also, streetwise sucked because of capcom of japan.

Originally posted by Remulous
They give SNK so much respect, which they deserve but some times it can be absurd, they only seem to talk about only the good parts of KOF and not the bad. On the SF page, there is a section that says Brief History of Fighting Games that I for some reason thought was very unesessary. They also put the SNK in front of CAPCOM in the CvS series even though CAPCOM was the first to make a true blue fighting game out of the 2 companies and CAPCOMs' version was more sucsessful. The SNK character pages are far larger than CAPCOMs' and the CAP characters are missing lots of info and bogus info is even put on there, or should I say, info that can not be sucsessfully prooven. It also states what CAP characters riped SNK but fail to say how some SNK characters rip off CAP. Wiki even goes so far as saying Kyosuke is a rip off of Iori, I fail to see how. It also states how some characters from CAP use SNK moves but does not state the vise-versa. Also characters from niether company can some times be stated of having certain SNK characters moves or appearances but homage is hardly ever payed to CAP unless it is out of the fighting genre. Wiki quote has more SNK quotes while obvious quotes are missing from CAP. The list goes even longer but that would be too long.

I heard that remy is supposed to be a copy of iori, wtf?!

You might not see it right away... But they both have a long sleeve jacket, with gold buttons. Kyosuke has a black shirt underneath, Iori has a white shirt underneath. They both have their hair combed forward... And last, their fighting stances are similar... Not to mention their last names have the same ring "Kagami / Yagami." They're both unique designs in their own right, but it seems Capcom may have been inspired by Iori with this design

Originally posted by Sado22
the kyosuke being ripoff of iori is just plain ridiculous! it makes no sense. you guys want to know why people say he is a ripoff, check it out on frankie (the retard) yagami's site. i'll send you guys the link. oh and emperor, eve the roy bromwell thing is there incase you were curious to know why. here:
http://www.fightersgeneration.com/fightgen/main.htm

keep scrolling down and you'll see it.

~Sado

I read they roy bromell accusation, which is ridiculous. Terry is nothing like roy, they just haveone similar animation,wow.

Like I said, roy is the traditional american blond hair, blue eye rival for a japanese fighter. Capcom always installs for there fighters, like: ken, cody, and if you wanna go far enough zero.

Fightgen is 1 of the best sites on the net but the acusations can get a bit outrages. I don't think they meant to rip Terry when making Roy but I can see why die hard SNK fans would consider it. The Kyosuke and Iori thing is just horrible though.

Originally posted by Remulous
Fightgen is 1 of the best sites on the net but the acusations can get a bit outrages. I don't think they meant to rip Terry when making Roy but I can see why die hard SNK fans would consider it. The Kyosuke and Iori thing is just horrible though.

It can't be worst than remy and iori.

true. i don't see "having his hands up and the other guy having his hands down" as a similarity what so ever? Frankie's just being ridiculous...all that and he has a problem accepting that Kain R. Heinlien was inspired from "Shin" of Fist of the northstar.
they are both blonde, have the SAME face and apperance and EVEN where white clothes with blue stripes. WTF?!

as for the roy bromwell thing, emperor, i get your poitn in that roy is the typical blonde, blue eyed rival character. however, why people say he rips off Terry is cuz of his moves...not his apperance (lol, the bit about them having similar ending and beginning letters was so crap right?).

~Sado

Originally posted by Sado22

as for the roy bromwell thing, emperor, i get your poitn in that roy is the typical blonde, blue eyed rival character. however, why people say he rips off Terry is cuz of his moves...not his apperance (lol, the bit about them having similar ending and beginning letters was so crap right?).

~Sado

Similar name, right

I wouldn't say that either Roy or Kyosuke are ripoffs. Both are on my favorites list. But there are some similarities. Roy more than Kyosuke. the guy wears a red vest & punches the ground alot.

yo brain
I know. like i said Kyosuke and Iori's "similarity" is just retarded. there are none. roy and terry's though can be claimed and won't seem TOO far fetched since they both have a thing for punching the ground and we all know just who came first, now don't we?
but nonetheless, i respect the cast of RS. capcom DID TRY to cook up something new and innovative. besides i like Batsu a lot. bad ass.

~Sado

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
[B]>The same build.
Does that really matter?

>The same basic costume design with boots and caps.
Okay, you have a point.

>Both are dark haired.
Maybe

>Both had scientists as main rivals.
Captain Marvel had that first, superman stole it from him.

>Both have the same basic powerset.
Superman [Stole[/B] some powers from captain marvel, like flight.

>Both have a chest symbol that defines them.
So, is a majority of superheroes, and captain marvels symbol doesn't really define him.

Batman really was a replacement to slam bradley, the first star of detective comics. So, it would not be a surprise that he is a good fighter, carried a gun and use fear as a weapon. Batman did not start off using supernatural fear as a weapon though and batman is not the main vigilante in his universe.
Yeah, I'm sure batman borrowed idea's from phantom. The only way for batman can be a rip off if he had similar: Design, moveset, fighting style, name, and associates like ryo and ryu.

Okay, this is where your argument fallls apart. You said the creator of ryu left capcom and created ryo, most likely out of spite. so, ryo at best is a spoof or a rip offf. never mind that till this day snk gives the kyokugen team capcomm moves. Like giving yuri a Shin-Shoryu-Ken ,a dn a shungokusatsu, and a denjin hadouken in kof 2001. So, it's most likely a spoof which is a little higher than rip off. all and all, RYO IS A JOKE [/B]

1- Yes. They are physically look alikes, except in the face.

2- Not maybe. They are both dark haired.

3- The one thing Superman stole was making Lex, bald, iirc. Just like Silvana. He was already a bussiness man-villain- ocasionally scientist.

4- And your rigth. He only had the ilusion of fligth. However the rest was pretty much the same, except for long range atacks.

5- It actually does. The magic ligthing its what Shazam was about.

6- Then we agree that the influences of all these peeps are that similiar.

7- About Yuri. The reason they add Capcom moves on her often its to make a spite at Dan 😛

Ill give one final example just to finish the theme up, because i agree with Brainchild, in that there will never be a concensus regarding what is exactly a rip off or not. For example. Doc Savage and Superman. Is SM a rip off of the first?

They shared the same name (Clark), They had a huge degree of strength compared to the regular mortal, they wer tagged the same way (man of...steel/bronze). Savage was actually named "Superman" in one house ad, before "the" Superman! Not to mention the solitude fortress type in the Artic/Antartic that both had.

The same happens with the novel character Gladiator. How? Check:

http://www.the-trades.com/article.php?id=1356

I think my point is really that its up to each person. Like thinking a character is a joke or not. Personal opinion. And while i respect yours, its actually good that its not the way SNK feels, considering the constant treatment he gets.

Originally posted by olympian
1- Yes. They are physically look alikes, except in the face.

2- Not maybe. They are both dark haired.

3- The one thing Superman stole was making Lex, bald, iirc. Just like Silvana. He was already a bussiness man-villain- ocasionally scientist.

4- And your rigth. He only had the ilusion of fligth. However the rest was pretty much the same, except for long range atacks.

5- It actually does. The magic ligthing its what Shazam was about.

6- Then we agree that the influences of all these peeps are that similiar.

7- About Yuri. The reason they add Capcom moves on her often its to make a spite at Dan 😛

Ill give one final example just to finish the theme up, because i agree with Brainchild, in that there will never be a concensus regarding what is exactly a rip off or not. For example. Doc Savage and Superman. Is SM a rip off of the first?

They shared the same name (Clark), They had a huge degree of strength compared to the regular mortal, they wer tagged the same way (man of...steel/bronze). Savage was actually named "Superman" in one house ad, before "the" Superman! Not to mention the solitude fortress type in the Artic/Antartic that both had.

The same happens with the novel character Gladiator. How? Check:

http://www.the-trades.com/article.php?id=1356

I think my point is really that its up to each person. Like thinking a character is a joke or not. Personal opinion. And while i respect yours, its actually good that its not the way SNK feels, considering the constant treatment he gets.

>Yeah, I know they have the same build and I also said it doesn't matter.

>When I said maybe, I mean't it proabaly matters.

>Nope, He wasn't a scientist until captain marvel came along.

>So, superman pretty muched copied from cap. marvel.; Never mind he also copied from doc savage.

>No, it's not, his symbol is not the defining icon of the character.

>And robert, why does he have guiles moves, to make spite of dan?!

Which is what I said, superman is a ripp off of doc savage and he stole stuff from captain marvel.

Ryo, is a ripp off, The End.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
It can't be worst than remy and iori.

Originally posted by Remulous
Remy and Iori? What the Hell?! That's insane! Was that comparison made at Wiki?

It was made at fighting street.