Form VIII Sansacu

so do you, you got no evidence, the comic is unseen un heard and no i dont have it. For a large scale, it comes out instant but takes time to wipe out the whole planet.
w/e it is, he does not weaken his enemies, why combard a planet when its going to kill every1?

And why do you have to abuse the report button when all i did was prove it to himo?

honestly you cant debate properly, when you lose an arguement, you report some one for trolling. all i ever did was to Prove to you and himo that your claims dont make sense. Go get the comic by yourself and it will break every one of your arguements, go buy it, Unseen unheard.

sorry for double posting, and secondly im sick and tired of argueing with people like you who denys and argues against canon and who cannot prove anything, Zephiel7, reported for harrasment and abuse of report button

proof you want proof you get see this image?

That black cloud was the only thing which hit katarr and it quickly moved around killing everything it its path and this is the EXACT quote of visas
"My people never saw his face when he struck — but they heard his voice. When my lord spoke, every living thing on Katarr died. The destruction of Katarr echoed through the Force, the screaming of countless lives."

and read this too
However, the Jedi were no match for Nihilus, who used his massive Force powers to feed off of the life on Katarr That means he fed on them, he did not weaken them

satisfied?

And proof that the technique was instantaneous?

That statement by Visas does not prove anything, since she did not state that the attack was instantaneous. She said that "when my lord spoke," which has no bearing on speed.

Without speed, your argument remains moot. I am still waiting for proof the attack was instantaneous.

Im proving to you that he does not need to weaken anybody so that he can drain them, Your arguements have been completely destroyed on that one.

Ok look at the picture again, notice the black cloud and see that it moves very fast? What im saying for a large scale drain like that, it takes time to move around the planet to drain its inhabitants.
On a 1 v 1 battle, it would just be like any other drain, proven by kreia because she herself had not weaken the masters.

And her saying of "when he spoke(drain) everything on katarr died", it meant they died when the drain hit them. So it is an instantkill attack , Even in the pic i posted, the areas the black cloud had past, everything was wiped out there immediately and during the dantooine fight, Kreia demonstrated it to be both instant and both an instantkill attack, malak and jaden could unleash drain out instantly, but it is not an instantkill attack, Nihilus is a complete master of drain, he even surpasses kreias version of drain.And not that even palpatines mastery of drain is not as powerful as nihilus, Yes palpatines drain is also instant but it does not kill its enemies instantly,

And are you going to say that if the drain is more powerful you need to prepare the attack?Wrong, so does that mean luke has to prepare Emerald lightning before striking an opponent? Note that emerald lightning is an instantkill attack and his lightning greatly surpassed sidious.Answer is no
The higher mastery you have of a power, the faster it is, like force speed, force crush, force heal, force drain and in some circumstances, revans force storm lightning. Why? because they have mastered it. And see how fast nihilus drain hit the exile? Nothing suggested he prepared the attack unless you want to quote it from some where and show it to me, then ill back down saying its not speedy enough

last thing, if kreia was really preparing the attack them they would have sensed it and attemp to cut her off the force stop her,

Most force powers activate instantly, accept palpatines force storm because it is unbelievably powerful and would wtf pwn any other person and it took only 2-3 seconds to make.Drain is already disputed as a instant power

Removed the offensive pictures after apology from Kadesh, in lieu of which I'll make the warning informal.

People... a period of calm is needed, I feel.

thank you ushgarak, that wont happen again i promise.
And zephiel, lets both drop this arguement about it being instant, neither of us will agree, About the weakening arguement you gave, that 1 has been prove its not true, but what ever it is ill drop it if you will drop it, Only to be fair

Originally posted by Kadesh
Im proving to you that he does not need to weaken anybody so that he can drain them, Your arguements have been completely destroyed on that one.

Why'd he weaken the Exile first then?

Ok look at the picture again, notice the black cloud and see that it moves very fast? What im saying for a large scale drain like that, it takes time to move around the planet to drain its inhabitants.
On a 1 v 1 battle, it would just be like any other drain, proven by kreia because she herself had not weaken the masters.

She weakened the Masters by pushing them over. I've gone over this, if you want it again, just try to refute me.

And her saying of "when he spoke(drain) everything on katarr died", it meant they died when the drain hit them. So it is an instantkill attack , Even in the pic i posted, the areas the black cloud had past, everything was wiped out there immediately and during the dantooine fight, Kreia demonstrated it to be both instant and both an instantkill attack, malak and jaden could unleash drain out instantly, but it is not an instantkill attack, Nihilus is a complete master of drain, he even surpasses kreias version of drain.And not that even palpatines mastery of drain is not as powerful as nihilus, Yes palpatines drain is also instant but it does not kill its enemies instantly,

Again. When I speak, my words are let out instaneously, BUT I had to think before I speak. Do you get the connection?

And are you going to say that if the drain is more powerful you need to prepare the attack?Wrong, so does that mean luke has to prepare Emerald lightning before striking an opponent? Note that emerald lightning is an instantkill attack and his lightning greatly surpassed sidious.Answer is no

The higher mastery you have of a power, the faster it is, like force speed, force crush, force heal, force drain and in some circumstances, revans force storm lightning. Why? because they have mastered it. And see how fast nihilus drain hit the exile? Nothing suggested he prepared the attack unless you want to quote it from some where and show it to me, then ill back down saying its not speedy enough

And where the hell is it proven? Game mechanics? Point moot unless you can give me an instance in the universe where that pertains.

last thing, if kreia was really preparing the attack them they would have sensed it and attemp to cut her off the force stop her, [/B]

No, they can't "sense" it, or instantly cut her off from the force.

I am about to hand you your ass young himo

Originally posted by RocasAtoll
Why'd he weaken the Exile first then?

Originally posted by RocasAtoll
She weakened the Masters by pushing them over. I've gone over this, if you want it again, just try to refute me.
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Originally posted by RocasAtoll
Again. When I speak, my words are let out instaneously, BUT I had to think before I speak. Do you get the connection?
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Originally posted by RocasAtoll
Emerald lightning is on a WHOLE different plane from Sidious's lightning.
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Originally posted by RocasAtoll
And where the hell is it proven? Game mechanics? Point moot unless you can give me an instance in the universe where that pertains.
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Originally posted by RocasAtoll
No, they can't "sense" it, or instantly cut her off from the force. [/B]

you have lost time and again, last warning before i report you

Originally posted by Kadesh
I am about to hand you your ass young himo

No, he did not weaken the exile, he stunned her because he thought he was going to attack him, so he stunned the whole partys movements, Admit it Himo, your arguements on this has COMPLETELY BEEN SHATTERED argueing on will only make you look like a fool

STUNNING YOU WEAKENS YOUR CONCENTRATION. Can you understand that? If I stun you with a right hook, YOU'RE GONNA LOSE SOME CONCENTRATION.

A push DOES NOT weaken mediocore force users, get it through your thick skull, so did sidious get weakened because yoda pushed him? NO

Again, it breaks your concentration. IF I PUSH YOU DOWN, YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE CONCENTRATION.

Wrong, if you actually think before you said anything, you would have realised a force push DOES NOT weaken a mediocore force user, god i feel like talking to a 12 year old, if so, PROVE to me it weakens an opponent,

Stop trying to bash me. Do you really need this to be explained? Okay then. Why you are about to say something, the words materialize in your brain before you speak. When the words come out its instantaneous. DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

rue, nihilus force drain is also a WHOLE different plane from normal drain, What you people claim is that The stronger the power the more prep time is needed which is utter bullshit.

Not really. Sidious's Force Storm and Bane's force attack against Kas'im took prep time. And by another plane, I meant it was in a different category when talking powers.

Common sense, If you are a runner, and you train and train and train, will you get faster? Yes, same with force drain, when already its instant, instead, highermastery will make the drain more deadly.

Where's your proof this works with the Jedi? Oh, you don't have any? Then really, answer my actual question. Where is an instance where this has been demonstrated in the Universe? (Bad English, I know, but get what I mean).

Yes they could, jedi learn how to sense their next opponents move, the jedi felt it but they did not know whats coming, if she was preparing the drain they would have known WHAT the next attack is ok?

That would be PRECOGNITION, which was a rarity. Only instances in the Order were Mace and Revan. So your point's gone.

you have lost time and again, last warning before i report you

Why would you report me? Have I resulted to insulting like you? No? Then you really don't have grounds to report me, Kadesh.

Time to shred your arguements again.

Originally posted by RocasAtoll
STUNNING YOU WEAKENS YOUR CONCENTRATION. Can you understand that? If I stun you with a right hook, YOU'RE GONNA LOSE SOME CONCENTRATION.

Originally posted by RocasAtoll
Again, it breaks your concentration. IF I PUSH YOU DOWN, YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE CONCENTRATION.
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Originally posted by RocasAtoll
Stop trying to bash me. Do you really need this to be explained? Okay then. Why you are about to say something, the words materialize in your brain before you speak. When the words come out its instantaneous. DO YOU UNDERSTAND?[/B]

Originally posted by RocasAtoll
Not really. Sidious's Force Storm and Bane's force attack against Kas'im took prep time. And by another plane, I meant it was in a different category when talking powers.
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Originally posted by RocasAtoll
Where's your proof this works with the Jedi? Oh, you don't have any? Then really, answer my actual question. Where is an instance where this has been demonstrated in the Universe? (Bad English, I know, but get what I mean).[/B]

Originally posted by RocasAtoll

That would be PRECOGNITION, which was a rarity. Only instances in the Order were Mace and Revan. So your point's gone.
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read this
Greater aptitude allowed exceptional drainage speed and the ability to drain multiple people at once.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Time to shred your arguements again.

And you regain concentration after a few seconds? It happend to the exile so she can talk, it happened to the 3 jedi masters. Losing concentration will not weaken you to be drained, so did he force push the whole planet of katarr? nope, look at the picture again, all buildings are intact, none were destroyed, no 1 got weakened
Losing concentration does not weaken you
, and why he stunned the exile? read this
Darth Nihilus was known as a cold, calculating figure. He was cautious, as his actions during the campaign against the Jedi showed.

And you won't get full concentration after being pushed down onto the ground. If I push, you hit the ground, you lose concentration your not gaining back. And second, that quote is completely irrelevant to the discussion.

idious didnt, and losing concentration does not weaken you, again The masters were able to "concentrate" Before kreia struck.
They regained concentration after a fall, Jedi are taught to do that.

See above.

Dont bother to justify your actions, i really dont care

And again you fail to see my point. That was in response to the instaneous quote, which proved it wrong.

Those are large scale powers, very very big scale, even nihilus took a few seconds to summon drain on en entire planet. On a 1v1 battle the scale changes to a much smaller scale, It becomes like an ordinary drain but with a differenece, its a insta kill. proof? the jedi on katarr got killed strait away once the black cloud had past them, And why bother to weaken an enemy when the drain is a insta kill attack

You really don't listen, do you? If shot you in the head with a gun, it's an insta-kill. Did I have to prepare for the shot? Yes. Did I have to weaken you in some way? Yes, if we're close like Nihilius would be.

Im using an example, quit being ignorant, what i said is, the higher mastery, the faster you can execute it, like force heal in JA for example

And that would be game mechanics. Nice try. Now give me an universe example.

Hahaha tooled, very funny, Vader frequently taps into the mind of his opponents and he predicts their next moves, like i said jedi ARE taught to do that, like yoda, revan, kreia,dorak, zhar, bastila, palpatine.

read this
Greater aptitude allowed exceptional drainage speed and the ability to drain multiple people at once.

And proof?

And that would be from where? Game mechanics, right? Not vaild.

Originally posted by RocasAtoll
And you won't get full concentration after being pushed down onto the ground. If I push, you hit the ground, you lose concentration your not gaining back. And second, that quote is completely irrelevant to the discussion.

Originally posted by RocasAtoll
You really don't listen, do you? If shot you in the head with a gun, it's an insta-kill. Did I have to prepare for the shot? Yes. Did I have to weaken you in some way? Yes, if we're close like Nihilius would be.
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Originally posted by RocasAtoll
And that would be game mechanics. Nice try. Now give me an universe example.
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Originally posted by RocasAtoll
And proof?

And that would be from where? Game mechanics, right? Not vaild. [/B]

Originally posted by Kadesh
That point is completely destroyed when the exile and the 3 masters immediately regained their concentration, as sidious did in his fight against yoda

No, because you have no evidence they gained back their concentration full. The masters, from LOGICAL DEDUCTION, would not be as focused from the push. Again, if I push you, you lose concentration.

prepare for the attack? yes . But lets say lightning is a gun, you shoot the guy on the wrong spot, he does not die, same with lightning but just that it isnt strong enough to kill, Nihilus drain islike a rpg rocket launcher, it is a sure will die when it hits you, And preparation doesnt take long, palpatines force storm was activated immediately, but it took time for the storm to build up, kreia pulled it off instanty, do you get my points? On a 1v1 scale it can quickly kill its enemies and you wont need to waste so much effort, its like carrying an atomic bomb and throwing it to kill thousands of people, but on a 1v1, just use a grenade, which is lighter, get my examples?Get it? like the gun, it shoots out instantly

You really don't have a point, since you didn't actually understand the analogy.

No, lets luke at luke skywalker here, When he mastered the force, he became even faster than before, he could execute force powers instantly and more quickly than before,

Luke NEVER shows that.

No, proven fact, already came from novels where jedi predict their enemies opponents, like NJO for example, they couldnt sense when the vong were going to attack, or jedi council acts of war, when the jedi could sense the yinchoris next attack

Predicting is not the same as knowing, Kadesh. I can predict I'm going to live for 10 more years. Do I know that? No.

Originally posted by Kadesh
sorry for double posting, and secondly im sick and tired of argueing with people like you who denys and argues against canon and who cannot prove anything, Zephiel7, reported for harrasment and abuse of report button

proof you want proof you get see this image?

That black cloud was the only thing which hit katarr and it quickly moved around killing everything it its path and this is the EXACT quote of visas
"My people never saw his face when he struck — but they heard his voice. When my lord spoke, every living thing on Katarr died. The destruction of Katarr echoed through the Force, the screaming of countless lives."

and read this too
However, the Jedi were no match for Nihilus, who used his massive Force powers to feed off of the life on Katarr That means he fed on them, he did not weaken them

satisfied?

That actually makes no sense. If everything on Katarr died instantly when he spoke, why did the cloud have to move to kill people?

I think the cloud was just to make it more graphic. You can't see everyone dying from that distance.

Kadesh said the cloud moved around the planet killing people. And that directly go against what Visas says.

Originally posted by RocasAtoll
No, because you have no evidence they gained back their concentration full. The masters, from LOGICAL DEDUCTION, would not be as focused from the push. Again, if I push you, you lose concentration.

You really don't have a point, since you didn't actually understand the analogy.

Luke NEVER shows that.

Predicting is not the same as knowing, Kadesh. I can predict I'm going to live for 10 more years. Do I know that? No.

Again, losing concentration doesnt make you weakened nor enables you to be drained

Originally posted by RocasAtoll
That actually makes no sense. If everything on Katarr died instantly when he spoke, why did the cloud have to move to kill people?

w/e it is himo, great arguements

"Luke NEVER shows that." Yes he does, force speed

Yes it does. Use your brain and figure it out:

If I push you, you're going to lose some amount of concentration, and will be rattled. If you lose your concentration, you lose the ability to withstand or block force attacks. Okay?

"Luke NEVER shows that." Yes he does, force speed

And does he do it with a non-enhancement? We're talking offensive powers, as in push, lightning, choke, etc.

The cloud is not seen in the game, is it?

And yes, if you lose concentration, you stop blocking powers.