Originally posted by RocasAtoll
Yes it does. Use your brain and figure it out:If I push you, you're going to lose some amount of concentration, and will be rattled. If you lose your concentration, you lose the ability to withstand or block force attacks. Okay?
And does he do it with a non-enhancement? We're talking offensive powers, as in push, lightning, choke, etc.
Originally posted by Kadesh
Yea but you forgot that kreia drained them long after they got pushed, If you push THEN drain, then that is very veyr effective, which nihilus does not need to do, why? because his force drain instantly kills its victimes and is unblokable, try putting up a shield and that will get drained because it comes from the force, The ONLY way to defend against this is to remove yourself from the force like luke did or the fallanasi people or the yuuzhanvong. The exile is a wound so it brings another defence
You STILL don't see my point. Pushing them will rattle them. Rattling you makes you less able to think clearly. Thinking less clearly means you have less ability to withstand a force power. Kreia used the push to weaken the Jedi masters' resolves and concentrations. Therefor, their defense against the force was weakened. Get it?
The only thing worse than a thread made with b.s. info behind it is a derailed thread made with b.s. behind it... that won't die.
And the bs information is coming from where?
Originally posted by RocasAtoll
You STILL don't see my point. Pushing them will rattle them. Rattling you makes you less able to think clearly. Thinking less clearly means you have less ability to withstand a force power. Kreia used the push to weaken the Jedi masters' resolves and concentrations. Therefor, their defense against the force was weakened. Get it?
First you say nihilus had to physically weaken his opponents, now you say that a simple force push weakens their concentration enabling them to be drained? WTF, why the hell does nihilus need to do that when
1. His drain instantly kills its victims
2.His drain CANNOT be countered nor defended,
Known people who can defend against his drain are, The fallanasi, Luke skywalker, The exile and supreme overlord shimmra , GET THAT IN YOUR HEAD
He has no need to weaken an opponent when already his drain CANNOT be defended and when it will surely kill you.
Only known ways to defend is, A wound in the force, OR, remove yourself from the force like the fallanasi and luke
And the yuuzhanvong, who are not connected to the force
God damnit. You really don't read, do you?
Originally posted by Kadesh
Again force push does not weaken an opponent, sidious had not lost any concentration, yes, you do lose focus and concentration when you get hit, but when you get up, you regain concentration!Like in the yoda vs sidious match.And how long would this effect last? Not long, Jedis can resist it, and therefore i shall say it and shall keep saying it to you, kreias push was to KEEP THE JEDI MASTERES AWAY FROM THE EXILE, not to weaken them so she could drain them, it was 2-3 minutes AFTER then she drained them, by then, they had already been focused on stopping her.Point moot
IF YOU ARE RATTLED, IT TAKES TIME TO REGAIN ALL CONCENTRATION. Do you understand?
Where the fvck does it say Jedi can resist it?
First you say nihilus had to physically weaken his opponents, now you say that a simple force push weakens their concentration enabling them to be drained? WTF, why the hell does nihilus need to do that when
No, I never said he had to weaken his opponents. I said he had weaken their mental resolve and concentration. Again, READ.
1. His drain instantly kills its victims
2.His drain CANNOT be countered nor defended,
Known people who can defend against his drain are, The fallanasi, Luke skywalker, The exile and supreme overlord shimmra , GET THAT IN YOUR HEADHe has no need to weaken an opponent when already his drain CANNOT be defended and when it will surely kill you.
Only known ways to defend is, A wound in the force, OR, remove yourself from the force like the fallanasi and luke
And the yuuzhanvong, who are not connected to the force
1. Then why the hell didn't he just kill the Exile right when he came into the room? Let's use one of your quotes:
Darth Nihilus was known as a cold, calculating figure. He was cautious, as his actions during the campaign against the Jedi showed.
If Nihilius is cold and calculated, why the fvck would he let the Exile come near him? Maybe because his drain doesn't work unless the opponent is not ready or weakened?
2. Exile.
3. And you still fail to see what my point is. Nice.
Originally posted by RocasAtolli sure do, deniel i sense in you
God damnit. You really don't read, do you?
Originally posted by RocasAtoll
IF YOU ARE RATTLED, IT TAKES TIME TO REGAIN ALL CONCENTRATION. Do you understand?Where the fvck does it say Jedi can resist it?
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Originally posted by RocasAtollWrong, you agreed with zephiel that he had to weaken his enemies physically before draining them
No, I never said he had to weaken his opponents. I said he had weaken their mental resolve and concentration. Again, READ.
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Originally posted by RocasAtollBecause he wanted to feed on the exile, And he knew visas had turned against him, he wanted to find out why, He was well aware that kreia had a connection to the exile, both sion and nihilus knew.
1. Then why the hell didn't he just kill the Exile right when he came into the room? Let's use one of your quotes:
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Originally posted by RocasAtoll
Darth Nihilus was known as a cold, calculating figure. He was cautious, as his actions during the campaign against the Jedi showed.If Nihilius is cold and calculated, why the fvck would he let the Exile come near him? Maybe because his drain doesn't work unless the opponent is not ready or weakened?[/B]
2. You are such an idiot. His drain didnt work on the exile because the exile is a WOUND IN THE FORCE, and that was a defence against his drain, The visual guide PROVED this, Other than the exiles natural defence, only the FALLANASI AND LUKE have the ability to block this attack.get it through your thick skull
Try again. im waiting, i will shred every of your arguements.
You have lost, accept it, time to back down
Originally posted by Kadesh
i sure do, deniel i sense in you
It's "I sense denial in you".
1. The jedi still regained their concentration after getting pushed, sidious PROVED this.
Sidious DOESN'T prove this since he's not a Jedi, and he's not the Jedi in question.
3.Jedi learn to regain concentration after getting forced attack, they are trained to do so, they are trained to be jedi, to resist force powers
Bullshit. You have no source for this. You're pulling it out of your ass.
Wrong, you agreed with zephiel that he had to weaken his enemies physically before draining them
No.
Again, why the hell would he need to weaken them physically or mentally when already his drain will kill them instanly and unblockable?
Ask that question to yourself. Why does he need to stun the Exile?
Because he wanted to feed on the exile, And he knew visas had turned against him, he wanted to find out why, He was well aware that kreia had a connection to the exile, both sion and nihilus knew.
DO YOU READ? If Nihilius was calculated, he would've thought of the risk that the Exile posed, and would've fed on him BEFORE he came with 3 feet.
1. because he was cautious, he stunned the exile because he didnt want to risk getting attacked with a force power.And he wanted to drain the exile to kill her which didnt work because drains DO NOT WORK AGAINST PEOPLE WHO ARE WOUNDS IN THE FORCE
See above.
2. You are such an idiot. His drain didnt work on the exile because the exile is a WOUND IN THE FORCE, and that was a defence against his drain, The visual guide PROVED this, Other than the exiles natural defence, only the FALLANASI AND LUKE have the ability to block this attack.get it through your thick skull
Did I say he didn't? No? Stop attacking me then.
Try again. im waiting, i will shred every of your arguements.
You have lost, accept it, time to back down
you haven't shredded one. You've just ignored my points or read them wrong. You'd actually have to UNDERSTAND what I'm saying to shred my points.
[i]Originally posted by RocasAtoll [/]yes he did [Hint] hes a FORCE user
Sidious DOESN'T prove this since he's not a Jedi, and he's not the Jedi in question.
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[i]Originally posted by RocasAtoll [/]
Bullshit. You have no source for this. You're pulling it out of your ass.
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[i]Originally posted by RocasAtoll [/]He is very cautious, as the quote mentioned, and he knew the exile was going to attack him, He has no need to stun or weaken his enemies since his attack is an insta kill. And note it DOES NOT WORK AGAINST WOUNDS IN THE FORCE
Ask that question to yourself. Why does he need to stun the Exile?
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[i]Originally posted by RocasAtoll [/]you are an imbecile beyond belief, The exiles a wound in the force, Drains Dont work against wounds in the force GET IT THROUGH YOUr THICK SKULL
DO YOU READ? If Nihilius was calculated, he would've thought of the risk that the Exile posed, and would've fed on him BEFORE he came with 3 feet. [/B]
[i]Originally posted by RocasAtoll [/]Yes i have, i shattered your arguements of nihilus needing to weaken his enemies before draining them,
you haven't shredded one. You've just ignored my points or read them wrong. You'd actually have to UNDERSTAND what I'm saying to shred my points. [/B]
*yawn* try again
Originally posted by Kadesh
yes he did [Hint] hes a FORCE user
[Hint] Not all force users are the same, Kadesh.
Weather or not you like it this is true, kotor Cut scenes prove that jedi are learnt to counter attacks, and losing concentration does not weaken you, try again
Rex says agrees with me. Hell, I can bet everyone BUT you agrees with me. Losing concentration weakens your aptitude with the force. Okay?
He is very cautious, as the quote mentioned, and he knew the exile was going to attack him, He has no need to stun or weaken his enemies since his attack is an insta kill. And note it DOES NOT WORK AGAINST WOUNDS IN THE FORCE
If this statement is to be taken as true, that means Nihilius knows the Exile is invulnerable against his force drain. Then why, pray tell, did he try it when he had him stunned?
you are an imbecile beyond belief, The exiles a wound in the force, Drains Dont work against wounds in the force GET IT THROUGH YOUr THICK SKULL
STOP INSULTING ME. I have never said ONCE that the drain works against the Exile.
Yes i have, i shattered your arguements of nihilus needing to weaken his enemies before draining them,*yawn* try again
All you have shown is an inability to understand words and logic.
Originally posted by RocasAtoll[Hint] Masters and knights know how to regain concentration
[Hint] Not all force users are the same, Kadesh.
Originally posted by RocasAtolli have never denied that, but why do it when already drain is an insta kill?
Rex says agrees with me. Hell, I can bet everyone BUT you agrees with me. Losing concentration weakens your aptitude with the force. Okay?
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Originally posted by RocasAtollBecause he thought the exile was going to attack, There is no need to stun or weaken an opponent when already your attack is going to kill him 100%. He did not know that a wound in the force serves as a Natural defence which would counter his drain.
If this statement is to be taken as true, that means Nihilius knows the Exile is invulnerable against his force drain. Then why, pray tell, did he try it when he had him stunned?
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Originally posted by RocasAtollok well you said "Then why didnt he drain and kill the exile" a few posts earlier. You dont even know that canocically exile is a woman, and secondly You dont even know that a wound in the force defends against a drain
STOP INSULTING ME. I have never said ONCE that the drain works against the Exile.
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Originally posted by RocasAtollAll you have shown is nothing, just babbling bull shit, yes i give you credit on some of your arguments, but not shit like "then why didnt his drain work on the exile, o maybe its because he didnt weaken the exile". now thats bull shit, pureAll you have shown is an inability to understand words and logic. [/B]
Originally posted by Kadesh [Hint] Masters and knights know how to regain concentration
[Hint] If you're going to make a generalization, back it up.
i have never denied that, but why do it when already drain is an insta kill?
Really? Read your own writing:
and losing concentration does not weaken you, try again
Because he thought the exile was going to attack, There is no need to stun or weaken an opponent when already your attack is going to kill him 100%. He did not know that a wound in the force serves as a Natural defence which would counter his drain.
You don't understand my point. If Nihilius is cold and calculated, why let the Exile have a shot at killing him? Why not attempt to kill him when he enters the room, Kadesh?
ok well you said "Then why didnt he drain and kill the exile" a few posts earlier. You dont even know that canocically exile is a woman, and secondly You dont even know that a wound in the force defends against a drain
No, I said why didn't Nihilius kill him when he walked into the room. And does it matter if the Exile is a man or woman? No.
Use your brain, not like a force push can make you lose concentration forever, Sidious gained it after he jumped to the door way.
Originally posted by RocasAtoll
[Hint]You don't understand my point. If Nihilius is cold and calculated, why let the Exile have a shot at killing him? Why not attempt to kill him when he enters the room, Kadesh?
No, I said why didn't Nihilius kill him when he walked into the room. And does it matter if the Exile is a man or woman? No.
Your are such blinded, thats what he did for christs sake. he stunned the exile and he bothered to get into a conversation with her, why do you think he wants to just kill every one? He knew who the exile was, he wanted to know why kreia sent her there so he was curious. He drained her AFTER he feeded her, And him being cautious? He already asked visas in the first place to bring him the last of the jedi which is the exile, Go watch that cut scene and you will understand
Originally posted by Kadesh
Use your brain, not like a force push can make you lose concentration forever, Sidious gained it after he jumped to the door way.
Did I ever say a force push mkes you lose your concentration forever? No? Please stop digging your hole deeper.
Your are such blinded, thats what he did for christs sake. he stunned the exile and he bothered to get into a conversation with her, why do you think he wants to just kill every one? He knew who the exile was, he wanted to know why kreia sent her there so he was curious. He drained her AFTER he feeded her, And him being cautious? He already asked visas in the first place to bring him the last of the jedi which is the exile, Go watch that cut scene and you will understand [/B]
And I'm going to use that quote before. If Nihilius is cold and calculated, why didn't he try yo kill the Exile upon entering the room?
Originally posted by RocasAtollWhen i said they can regain their concentration, you insisted they couldnt, now shut up
Did I ever say a force push mkes you lose your concentration forever? No? Please stop digging your hole deeper.
Originally posted by RocasAtoll
And I'm going to use that quote before. If Nihilius is cold and calculated, why didn't he try yo kill the Exile upon entering the room? [/B]
Firstly you are asking a very stupid question which has been answered time and again, Then why didnt revan kill malak immediately when they met on the star forge? Malak is also cautious what
Read this then
One servant of Nihilus was Visas Marr, a female Miraluka from Katarr, a planet consumed and destroyed by Nihilus. The Sith Lord sent Visas on a mission to find and bring the last of the Jedi before him
1)nihilus had sent visas to capture the exile.
2)he had no idea visas turned on him
3)When they arrived, he thought visas accomplished her mission
4)and being cautious DOES NOT mean you have to kill every one, there are other ways to immobalise them to prevent them from attcking you.
Originally posted by Kadesh
revans stance during his capture is more like what obi wan did in rots which is soresu, some idiot fanboy typed in wiki "revan knows vaapad"
bull sh!t man, mace created vaapad, not that stupid sith lord with womenish legs
Wrong. *Sigh*
Revan's stance just before his time of capture is a Juyo stance.
Duh?
Originally posted by Kadesh
[B]When i said they can regain their concentration, you insisted they couldnt, now shut up
no, I insisted they didn't regain it all. Learn to read.
Firstly you are asking a very stupid question which has been answered time and again, Then why didnt revan kill malak immediately when they met on the star forge? Malak is also cautious what
Why didn't Revan kill Malak instantly? Oh, because he doesn't have an instakill? Ya, that analogy sucked.
Read this then
One servant of Nihilus was Visas Marr, a female Miraluka from Katarr, a planet consumed and destroyed by Nihilus. The Sith Lord sent Visas on a mission to find and bring the last of the Jedi before him
And this proves what? Oh? Nothing? Try again.
1)nihilus had sent visas to capture the exile.
Not capture. To BRING the Exile to him.
2)he had no idea visas turned on him
That doesn't have ANYTHING to do with what I'm saying
3)When they arrived, he thought visas accomplished her mission
Yes, she did.
4)and being cautious DOES NOT mean you have to kill every one, there are other ways to immobalise them to prevent them from attcking you.
And you stil lfail to see my point. Why let the Exile within 3 feet of you? Why don't you kill him once he walks in? It gets the job done, so why let the Exile come near you if your attack can instantly kill him from a distance?
Originally posted by RocasAtollyou are being an idiot, When they get up, obviously they would know whats coming, Because you lose concentration right? You find it harder to resist force attacks?Then why didnt count dooku force push anakin before striking with lightning? Then why didnt yoda do a deadly attack after force push? Simple, It does not weaken them, period. It does not enable them to be attacked, strait and simple
no, I insisted they didn't regain it all. Learn to read.
Originally posted by RocasAtollWhy? because simply the game creators made it that way? It is classical to do so, Everygame with a boss, the directors make it that way, where the hero confronts the villian, Again being Cautios DOES NOT mean you MUST kill every one you see, The Sith lord could have his choice NOT to kill the exile immediately, Why they made it that way? i dont know.
And you stil lfail to see my point. Why let the Exile within 3 feet of you? Why don't you kill him once he walks in? It gets the job done, so why let the Exile come near you if your attack can instantly kill him from a distance? [/B]
And why didnt malak kill revan strait away? Then lets ask you another question, Why didnt Palpatine kill luke strait away when he met him in DE, he was also cautious, he knew luke was going to turn of him, and he himself has instakill attacks.
your points of the enemy needing to be weakened have been completely shattered, Completely destroyed, and yet you still want to argue over something pointless. Get a life
Originally posted by RocasAtollyou are being an idiot, When they get up, obviously they would know whats coming, Because you lose concentration right? You find it harder to resist force attacks?Then why didnt count dooku force push anakin before striking with lightning? Then why didnt yoda do a deadly attack after force push? Simple, It does not weaken them, period. It does not enable them to be attacked, strait and simple
no, I insisted they didn't regain it all. Learn to read.
Originally posted by RocasAtollWhy? because simply the game creators made it that way? It is classical to do so, Everygame with a boss, the directors make it that way, where the hero confronts the villian, Again being Cautios DOES NOT mean you MUST kill every one you see, The Sith lord could have his choice NOT to kill the exile immediately, Why they made it that way? i dont know.Obviously he Drained the exile AFTER the conversation. HE Still DRAINED the exile ok?
And you stil lfail to see my point. Why let the Exile within 3 feet of you? Why don't you kill him once he walks in? It gets the job done, so why let the Exile come near you if your attack can instantly kill him from a distance? [/B]
Aprt from that when sith lords should have killed their opponent, they get arrogant and attempt to delay it, Just like the one in kotor 2.
And rocas, stop asking stupid questions, Why dont you answer them, Why didnt nihilus kill the exile at the very begnning then?