Qui-Gon, Quinlan, Obi-Wan, Aayla vs Sidious

Originally posted by Prodigal Knight
Mace said she apparently exceed him in sheer swordsmanship, which is not true at all. Obi-Wan rivals Mace as well, as he is close to Anakin and Anakin is on par with Windu. I highly doubt Depa's Vapaad is greater than Kenobi's Soresu. In addition, Mace seemed to fight Depa comfortably in Shatterpoint.

I'll re-read Shatterpoint, sometime soon. We'll continue the argument, then.

Oh, and please. Count Dooku is a little less than Mace, and he annihilated Obi-Wan in a fight. Don't presume to state that Obi-Wan rivals Mace in anything.

Originally posted by Escape81
Mace said that Depa rivals - and possibly exceeds - himself in sheer swordsmanship. That's easily more than enough to put her above Obi-Wan.

And, Medvock, it was a producer saying "Mace brought the B-Team", noticing how quick and easily Tinn, Kolar, and Fisto died. Lucas's response was simply that Palpatine is just so much better than them - and you have to be either Mace or Yoda to rival Palpatine in power.

Did it ever occur to anyone that Sidious made the best jedi spread out across the galaxy so if he was ever compromised, he wouldn't be facing the order's greatest? Great contingency plan if you ask me.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Did it ever occur to anyone that Sidious made the best jedi spread out across the galaxy so if he was ever compromised, he wouldn't be facing the order's greatest? Great contingency plan if you ask me.

The war itself was used to thin the Jedi's ranks. He wouldn't dare send the Clone Army after an organized Jedi Order of 10,000 strong. He used the Confederacy's conflict with the Republic to slowly begin to kill off the Jedi - and Order 66 was the final swoop - now that the Jedi were VASTLY outnumbered, and spread thin.

I doubt he really intended to fight any of them, himself. Not until Anakin told the Council. Then he prepared to fight.

Originally posted by Escape81
The war itself was used to thin the Jedi's ranks. He wouldn't dare send the Clone Army after an organized Jedi Order of 10,000 strong. He used the Confederacy's conflict with the Republic to slowly begin to kill off the Jedi - and Order 66 was the final swoop - now that the Jedi were [B]VASTLY outnumbered, and spread thin.

I doubt he really intended to fight any of them, himself. Not until Anakin told the Council. Then he prepared to fight. [/B]

I suppose but it made more sense to me that he sent out the most powerful Jedi on the council around the galaxy. Mace was the only one left..

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Did it ever occur to anyone that Sidious made the best jedi spread out across the galaxy so if he was ever compromised, he wouldn't be facing the order's greatest? Great contingency plan if you ask me.

thats what i said in my last post. That and the jedi that were there, were likely to be the best ones still there.

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
Instead of Mace and friends walking into Palp's office, these 4 do, most are better than Mace's Posse, but not one matches him, who wins who dies?(No Anakin Limb cutting action, and it's ROTS Obi-Wan)

Since when does Aayla outclass any of them? And Quinlan is probably equal to one of those three. Qui-Gon's good, and probably about the same level as any of them. Obi-Wan is undoubtedly better than all of them, except for Mace.

1. Mace Windu.
2. Obi-Wan Kenobi.
3. Kit Fisto.
4. Quinlan Vos.
5. Qui-Gon Jinn.
6. Saesee Tinn.
7. Agen Kolar.
8. Aayla Secura.

Are you ranking them according to their lightsaber skill?

Yes.

Cool

Unless you have a ridiculous amount of overwhelming lesser characters, you need a powerhouse to contend with Sidious. Qui Gon, Quinlan, and Aayla will go down in a few more seconds than Kit, Agen, and Seasse did. They are all good, but no where near the league of Sidious. Then, Obi Wan, for all his strength, will be tossed aside by Sidious.

Originally posted by Kas'Im
1. Mace Windu.
2. Obi-Wan Kenobi.
3. Kit Fisto.
4. Quinlan Vos.
5. Qui-Gon Jinn.
6. Saesee Tinn.
7. Agen Kolar.
8. Aayla Secura.

1.) Yoda
2.) Mace
3.) Anakin
4.) Obi-Wan
5.) Cin
6.) Depa
7.) Quinlan
8.) Agen
9.) Luminara
10.) Shaak Ti/Tholme/or Plo

lol, I was just talking about those 8. The team that faced Palpatine in the movie and the team in this thread.

And Kit Fisto, while he uses a pretty basic form, is incredible skilled, read Caestus Deception, he constantly amazes Obi-Wan with his speed, skill and grace, he is described as 'a living, martial hurricane, his body moving in two and three directions at once, joints flexing, unlimited by human vertebral restraints,' while fighting these fugs. And in LoE, he takes out two magnaguards in seconds with two swings of his saber. And Assaj only beat him because he was tired and because she had secretly studied his form intently before facing him. I'd say by ROTS he'd most definitely take any jedi in a saber battle except Yoda, Mace, Obi-Wan, Anakin and Luminara and possibly Cin Drallig.

Originally posted by Kas'Im
lol, I was just talking about those 8. The team that faced Palpatine in the movie and the team in this thread.

And Kit Fisto, while he uses a pretty basic form, is incredible skilled, read Caestus Deception, he constantly amazes Obi-Wan with his speed, skill and grace, he is described as 'a living, martial hurricane, his body moving in two and three directions at once, joints flexing, unlimited by human vertebral restraints,' while fighting these fugs. And in LoE, he takes out two magnaguards in seconds with two swings of his saber. And Assaj only beat him because he was tired and because she had secretly studied his form intently before facing him. I'd say by ROTS he'd most definitely take any jedi in a saber battle except Yoda, Mace, Obi-Wan, Anakin and Luminara and possibly Cin Drallig.

"living martial hurrican" is definatrely hyperbowl. I agree with why Asajj beat him but eitehr way it's close, Quinlan is like super good, he would beat that Asajj even if he was tired. Besides Kit wasn't that tired when he fought Asajj, those thugs he fought were no match for him.

Convince me that "living martial hurricane" is hyperbole, I dare you. Nothing contradicts this statement, therefore it remains FACT. And before you go unleashing the "HE DOESN'T HAVE AN UNLIMITED VERTEBRAE COZ HE GOT PWNZ BY SIDIOUS" BS on me, remember this: HE HAD JUST COMPLETED A THREE HUNDRED AND SIXTY DEGREE SPIN AND HAD HIS ARMS RAISED UP IN THE A-I-R -- MEANING HE WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF ATTACKING at the time. Anyways, the "unlimited vertebrae" thing is actually mentioned a fair few times in the novel. Not just that once.

And as for those thugs...

The thugs may not have been much of a match for the Jedi, but the sheer fact that Kit needed to move his body in so many ways to defeat them would have meant he must have used up some energy.

Originally posted by MEDVOCK
[b]"living martial hurrican" is definatrely hyperbowl. I agree with why Asajj beat him but eitehr way it's close, Quinlan is like super good, he would beat that Asajj even if he was tired. Besides Kit wasn't that tired when he fought Asajj, those thugs he fought were no match for him.

Convince me that "living martial hurricane" is hyperbole, I dare you. Nothing contradicts this statement, therefore it remains FACT. And before you go unleashing the "HE DOESN'T HAVE AN UNLIMITED VERTEBRAE COZ HE GOT PWNZ BY SIDIOUS" BS on me, remember this: HE HAD JUST COMPLETED A THREE HUNDRED AND SIXTY DEGREE SPIN AND HAD HIS ARMS RAISED UP IN THE A-I-R -- MEANING HE WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF ATTACKING at the time. Anyways, the "unlimited vertebrae" thing is actually mentioned a fair few times in the novel. Not just that once.

And as for those thugs...

The thugs may not have been much of a match for the Jedi, but the sheer fact that Kit needed to move his body in so many ways to defeat them would have meant he must have used up some energy. [/B]

And are you saying Kit moved his body so much that he used up energy? OMG, those thugs, they were like Battle Droids in terms of power, what did Kit do to his vbody that supposedly used up so much of his energy? You do know that a hurricane would be able to wipe out all of those thugs in like 1.4 seconds, don't you, and it wouldn't get tired. Not one bit.

LOL 🙂 Nice DS!

Palpatine takes this. I would almost go so far as to say with ease. He could launch a blast of his lightning to take out the weaker ones, while the others recoil. He can then proceed to massacre whoever remains.

Medvock, you may be a huge Kit fanboy but you can't honestly believe that Kit was a living hurricane. You know how powerful hurricanes are, a hurricane would wipe out Asajj in a second, do you even know what hyperbole is? If Kit's a hurricane what the hell is Sidious? A god? Lol, that's riduculous and total hyperbole. However, convincing you that it's hyperbole may or may not be conceiveably possible, you probably won't want to believe that your precious Kit isn't storng enough to lay waste to cities. And when the f*ck did I ever mention his vertebrae, what, never, okay, that's what I thought, good to know I'm not just losing my memory. OMG, Kenobi did a 360 in ANH, he must be a hurricane, too... or maybe a tornado.

It says he was a "LIVING, MARTIAL hurricane", meaning that he was what resembled, at the time, that of a hurricane that was [keyword] LIVING [/keyword] and [keyword] MARTIAL [/keyword]. Because his body was moving in so many ways, the author used these terms to DESCRIBE him. HE DID NOT MEAN TO ACTUALLY STATE HE WAS A HURRICANE (LOL)

When you stated that part of the quote I immediately assumed you were talking about the ENTIRE quote, and not just the part you mentioned. I apologize for assuming this was so.

And are you saying Kit moved his body so much that he used up energy? OMG, those thugs, they were like Battle Droids in terms of power, what did Kit do to his vbody that supposedly used up so much of his energy? You do know that a hurricane would be able to wipe out all of those thugs in like 1.4 seconds, don't you, and it wouldn't get tired. Not one bit.

Excuse me, Obi-Wan couldn't even friggin keep up with Kit. For him to be taking them down so fast, HE MUST HAVE USED UP SOME ENERGY. F-A-C-T.

AND STOP SAYING KIT'S A FRIGGIN HURRICANE!!! That is NOT what the author meant, he was merely using the term to DESCRIBE how he moved! Because Kit was moving and twisting his body in so many ways when defeating the thugs, the author referred to him as a "martial hurricane", because he resembled one. As stated before also, the author states he was a "living, martial hurricane". Not just a hurricane.