2007 Rapture?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Without options you do not have free will. Free will suggests that you have options or alternatives such as the ability to go left or right. If there is only right then you do not have a choice, do you? God had to give them His express will and then give them something to exercise their free will in relaiton to (i.e. the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil).

so God knew that once he put the tree of knowledge into the garden, and created adam and eve, that they would eat it and still did it anyways knowing that this action would cause evil to be unleashed upon the world and still did it anyways?

Wouldn't that be the same as saying God unleashed evil onto the world?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Many people have come back from death (why do you think that this is so unbelievable?).

Same reason I find the idea of people flying by flapping their arms unbelievable. Because it is such arrant nonsense.

Like I say, if all this 'coming back from the dead' stuff was possible as you said, it would happen to people who died in any circumstances at all. Not just people dying with whole and intact bodies, always down to a matter of whether brain activity has stopped or not.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
What does that mean?

That means, stories in the bible are very human in their limitations.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Many people have come back from death (why do you think that this is so unbelievable?).

its a matter of definition

death is defined as when you don't come back. If you come back, you weren't dead.

OH!!!

JIA: Do I have a soul or do the billions of cells that compose my body each have their own soul?

Originally posted by inimalist
so God knew that once he put the tree of knowledge into the garden, and created adam and eve, that they would eat it and still did it anyways knowing that this action would cause evil to be unleashed upon the world and still did it anyways?

Wouldn't that be the same as saying God unleashed evil onto the world?

If you and your wife brought a baby into the world you have done so knowing that the child could ultimately rebel against you and become another Hitler right?

Question: if the child does become an Osama Bin Laden is it your fault?

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Same reason I find the idea of people flying by flapping their arms unbelievable. Because it is such arrant nonsense.

Like I say, if all this 'coming back from the dead' stuff was possible as you said, it would happen to people who died in any circumstances at all. Not just people dying with whole and intact bodies, always down to a matter of whether brain activity has stopped or not.

So circumstances must be understandable to you in order for them to be possible? I guess many things are not possible to you then.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
If you and your wife brought a baby into the world you have done so knowing that the child could ultimately rebel against you and become another Hitler right?

Question: if the child does become an Osama Bin Laden is it your fault?

People are limited. Again this is proof that god is limited.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
People are limited. Again this is proof that god is limited.

You have failed to take one important factor into consideration: God chooses to work through human instrumentality, but God does not need to work through people.

Would you look at that clock. Well it's been real but I have to roll (signing off for now).

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Without options you do not have free will. Free will suggests that you have options or alternatives such as the ability to go left or right. If there is only right then you do not have a choice, do you? God had to give them His express will and then give them something to exercise their free will in relaiton to (i.e. the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil).

Point you always side-step... it wasn't free will in Eve's choosing, God knew (being omniscience) before he created Eve and placed the tree in the garden, that Eve would eat the fruit. So, how is that free will, Eve was born to eat the fruit; she didn't have a choice, call it manifest destiny.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
If you and your wife brought a baby into the world you have done so knowing that the child could ultimately rebel against you and become another Hitler right?

Question: if the child does become an Osama Bin Laden is it your fault?

Stupid answer.

If God is "all knoweth and all seeth" and supercedes time, then he would know that Eve would get seduced by a snake in a tree. If God knows everything that ever will happen, then I guess he's just wasting his time. So Hitler had no free will considering that God already knew what he was gonna do.....so basically he created Hitler just to send him to hell 58 years later, right?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
You have failed to take one important factor into consideration: God [B]chooses to work through human instrumentality, but God does not need to work through people. [/B]

That is so silly. It sounds more like manipulation. People in the past had power. They wanted to keep that power so they made up this argument so their family would be the one that god choose. We are NOT talking about something real. We are talking about mythology.

Originally posted by Robtard
Point you always side-step... it wasn't free will in Eve's choosing, God knew (omniscience) before he created Eve and placed the tree in the garden, that Eve would eat the fruit. So, how is that free will, Eve was born to eat the fruit; she didn't have a choice, call it manifest destiny.

Eve did have a choice (eat or don't eat). God gave her and Adam plenty of other trees to eat from. She could have eaten from any other tree but she listened to the devil.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Stupid answer.

If God is "all knoweth and all seeth" and supercedes time, then he would know that Eve would get seduced by a snake in a tree. If God knows everything that ever will happen, then I guess he's just wasting his time. So Hitler had no free will considering that God already knew what he was gonna do.....so basically he created Hitler just to send him to hell 58 years later, right?

So God should have made Hitler, you, and the rest of the world automatons?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Eve did have a choice (eat or don't eat). God gave her and Adam plenty of other trees to eat from. She could have eaten from any other tree but she listened to the devil.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Stupid answer.

If God is "all knoweth and all seeth" and supercedes time, then he would know that Eve would get seduced by a snake in a tree. If God knows everything that ever will happen, then I guess he's just wasting his time. So Hitler had no free will considering that God already knew what he was gonna do.....so basically he created Hitler just to send him to hell 58 years later, right?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
So God should have made Hitler, you, and the rest of the world automatons?

Apparently we are.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Apparently we are.

Automatons do not have wills. So do you still believe that we are automatons?

I believe you, sir, are evil.

Just because God knew Hitler was going to do what he did doesnt mean that Hitler never choose too...

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Just because God knew Hitler was going to do what he did doesnt mean that Hitler never choose too...

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