Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Thank you for confirming that you are not an ordained minister.
I was referring to the label minister. Just because someone is an ordained minister nominally does not mean that God has anointed that person to function in that office. Also, just because someone claims to be a minister does not mean that that person truly is. Thus, my remark about the label.
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveThat you don’t agree I can accept, but the logic is not flawed and is sound. There are many reasons why someone would create something but it would all boil down to human emotions and coupled with the fact that they are not all-knowing. I’m an artist and a craftsman and know more about the desire to create than I’m sure that you do, I have immersed myself in this life and I know very well what drives many to create. As to what God knows is simple, he is supposed to know everything. If God is not all-knowing and exists in all points in time then it makes sense but he is supposed to be all-knowing.
I follow you but I do not agree with you. Be honest PITT_HAPPENS you do not truly know why people create (you are not in their heads). Furthermore, you definitely do not know why God creates or what He knows. Your reasoning as to why should God create or not create because of what He knows is terribly flawed. God has not revealed to you what He knows in terms of why He has created so why does it matter? The point is that God [B]did create--what He knows is irrelevant and immaterial as far as this discussion is concerned. [/B]
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveWe could say the same about you that you do this out of spite, trolling or pride.
You do not truly know what anyone has devoted his/her life to until you get to know them as such. He could be devoted to entertaining his crowds instead of truly educating them in God's Book as I do.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I was referring to the label [b]minister. Just because someone is an ordained minister nominally does not mean that God has anointed that person to function in that office. Also, just because someone claims to be a minister does not mean that that person truly is. Thus, my remark about the label. [/B]
Did they turn you down for position? I bet you don't even have a church.
Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
That you don’t agree I can accept, but the logic is not flawed and is sound. There are many reasons why someone would create something but it would all boil down to human emotions and coupled with the fact that they are not all-knowing. I’m an artist and a craftsman and know more about the desire to create than I’m sure that you do, I have immersed myself in this life and I know very well what drives many to create. As to what God knows is simple, he is supposed to know everything. If God is not all-knowing and exists in all points in time then it makes sense but he is supposed to be all-knowing. We could say the same about you that you do this out of spite, trolling or pride.
People create for a variety of reasons. Your motivation for doing such is not special nor epic.
I firmly believe that one of the reasons that God creates is because that is what His appellation suggests. Again, what God knows with respect to what or why He creates is irrelevant and immaterial. God does because God does.
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveAll ready stated and I’m more of an authority on creating then you I’m sure.
People create for a variety of reasons.
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveWhat the hell is this supposed to mean?
Your motivation for doing such is not special nor epic.
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveFlawed logic
I firmly believe that one of the reasons that God creates is because that is what His appellation suggests. Again, what God knows with respect to what or why He creates is irrelevant and immaterial. God does because God does.
Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
All ready stated and I’m more of an authority on creating then you I’m sure.What the hell is this supposed to mean?
Flawed logic
Assumption.
It means that your reason for creating is irrelevant and immaterial to this discussion because we are talking about God.
My logic is what it is: tenable.
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveNope, and now you are doing it again. Now it is not OK to use human emotions to describe God but just a few posts back you did, please stay with one train of thought.
Assumption.It means that your reason for creating is irrelevant and immaterial to this discussion because we are talking about God.
My logic is what it is: tenable.
As for the assumption that I know more about creating something it will stand until you prove otherwise, my statement of my ability to create is not in question and is provable.
Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
Nope, and now you are doing it again. Now it is not OK to use human emotions to describe God but just a few posts back you did, please stay with one train of thought.As for the assumption that I know more about creating something it will stand until you prove otherwise, my statement of my ability to create is not in question and is provable.
What God knows about His creatures is irrelevant and immaterial. God creates because He is Creator. So, rehashing what God knew relative to Adam and Eve is a flawed train of thought/argument.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I am not asking you to answer my questions (as such), I am asking you to prove that Adam and Eve did not have a free will (just admit that you cannot do this).I keep reiterating the fact that Grand_Moff_Gav got my point because he was able to discern the pith and niceties of my case masterfully.
I did prove it, with God's omniscience and God being the creator; you choose to dance around and claim I didn't.
Gran_Mov_Gav said he got your point, because he chooses to be blind like you about the two facts you dance around "God created them" & "God is omniscient". Both "facts" are not irrelevant, they're key to the story. By saying so, you're saying God is irrelevant; what God does is irrelevant.
Now, call to answer my hypothetical question finally?
Hypothetical question: If you somehow (be it science, magic or divine intervention etc.) knew with 100% certainty that your child would grow up to be th worlds worst serial killer, would you not be, at least in part, guilty of those future deaths your child would cause if you didn't take measures to change him before they happened?