Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You said you were a saint and ambassador from god. How can I even talk to someone like that?
The word saint is simply a designation that God confers on His children after they become born again through faith in Jesus Christ. We become sanctified (or set apart) for God's will, purposes, or use. We have been made saints as a result which means most holy thing. But not because of our own good deeds or merit. It is because we have submitted to God's will and permitted Him to consecrate us and not we ourselves. Only God can sanctify someone. It is our responsibility as sanctified ones or holy ones to live or be holy even as God is holy or to practice holiness. Without holiness no person we see the Lord.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The word saint is simply a designation that God confers on His children [B]after they become born again through faith in Jesus Christ. We become sanctified (or set apart) for God's will, purposes, or use. We have been made saints as a result which means most holy thing. But not because of our own good deeds or merit. It is because we have submitted to God's will and permitted Him to consecrate us and not we ourselves. Only God can sanctify someone. It is our responsibility as sanctified ones or holy ones to live or be holy even as God is holy or to practice holiness. Without holiness no person we see the Lord. [/B]
I'm kind of old fashion, when I grew up, the local minister would have pulled you aside and set you straight. He would have pointed out to you that the Church is the saints and ambassador from god, and that no person should ever make such a claim. Boastfulness is a sin.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I'm kind of old fashion, when I grew up, the local minister would have pulled you aside and set you straight. He would have pointed out to you that the Church is the saints and ambassador from god, and that no person should ever make such a claim. Boastfulness is a sin.
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveActually your logic is flawed on this by comparing God to men, the reason is that man is not all knowing so they invent or create things because they are not all knowing for they still can learn and do something new. As for God he is supposed to be all knowing and all powerful so there is nothing new to him. He is supposed to exist in all points in time so nothing is new to him because he would have already seen it, nothing new can be learned or invented because he would already know every thing there is to know.
Why do inventors invent? Why do painters paint? Why do artists draw? Why do singers sing? Why do writers write? Why do composers compose? Why do captalist capitalize? Why do builders build? Why do potters make clay pots?Can't you see the fallacy in your question?
Why did the Creator create? (Uh...could it be because that is what the Creator should do?)
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveYou have just answered your own question, if he has seen it already why would he create it? He already knows everything that man will do for all history, every decision that it will make and if they are worthy to be in Heaven or Hell.
So that was the best that you could come up with considering that you have a finite mind? Remember God's mind is infinite (i.e. having no bounds, restrictions, or limits), He has seen, weighed, and calculated every possible ramification and repercussion of creating life and still in His infinite wisdom elected to create life. Can you say this? Are you capable of seeing the end from the beginning? (Be honest now the world is watching.)
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I'm kind of old fashion, when I grew up, the local minister would have pulled you aside and set you straight. He would have pointed out to you that the Church is the saints and ambassador from god, and that no person should ever make such a claim. Boastfulness is a sin.
With all due respect your local minister is ignorant of what God's Book has to say on that subject.
Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
Actually your logic is flawed on this by comparing God to men, the reason is that man is not all knowing so they invent or create things because they are not all knowing for they still can learn and do something new. As for God he is supposed to be all knowing and all powerful so there is nothing new to him. He is supposed to exist in all points in time so nothing is new to him because he would have already seen it, nothing new can be learned or invented because he would already know every thing there is to know. You have just answered your own question, if he has seen it already why would he create it? He already knows everything that man will do for all history, every decision that it will make and if they are worthy to be in Heaven or Hell.
You have missed the point that I was making. Men do what men do because that is what men do.
Well, God is Creator--which means He creates (because that is what Creator signifies, implies, and denotes). What God knows is irrelevant and immaterial (i.e. it has no bearing on what He does because He does what He does because of Who He is).
Do you follow me PITT_HAPPENS?
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveNo it is not irrelevant and it the key point to this whole discussion and can not be dismissed. The reason men create is to make something new that hasn’t been made or to learn, there is nothing new to God or anything to learn because he already knows it. Would you watch a movie if you already new every line, word and scene in the movie by heart?
You have missed the point that I was making. Men do what men do [B]because that is what men do.Well, God is Creator--which means He creates (because that is what Creator signifies, implies, and denotes). What God knows is irrelevant and immaterial (i.e. it has no bearing on what He does because He does what He does because of Who He is).
Do you follow me PITT_HAPPENS? [/B]
I have not missed your point because again you are trying to compare the desires of man which is not all-knowing and all-seeing to that of God which is. You keep flopping back and forth on this and denounce other members of trying to compare the mentality of men to God but it is OK for you to back flawed logic with it?
Do you follow me JIA?
Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
No it is not irrelevant and it the key point to this whole discussion and can not be dismissed. The reason men create is to make something new that hasn’t been made or to learn, there is nothing new to God or anything to learn because he already knows it. Would you watch a movie if you already new every line, word and scene in the movie by heart?I have not missed your point because again you are trying to compare the desires of man which is not all-knowing and all-seeing to that of God which is. You keep flopping back and forth on this and denounce other members of trying to compare the mentality of men to God but it is OK for you to back flawed logic with it?
Do you follow me JIA?
I follow you but I do not agree with you. Be honest PITT_HAPPENS you do not truly know why people create (you are not in their heads). Furthermore, you definitely do not know why God creates or what He knows. Your reasoning as to why should God create or not create because of what He knows is terribly flawed. God has not revealed to you what He knows in terms of why He has created so why does it matter? The point is that God did create--what He knows is irrelevant and immaterial as far as this discussion is concerned.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I follow you but I do not agree with you. Be honest PITT_HAPPENS you do not truly know why people create (you are not in their heads). Furthermore, you definitely do not know why God creates or what He knows. Your reasoning as to why should God create or not create because of what He knows is terribly flawed. God has not revealed to you what He knows in terms of why He has created so why does it matter? The point is that God [B]did create--what He knows is irrelevant and immaterial as far as this discussion is concerned. [/B]
Or the universe just is, and there was no god creating it.
Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
You honestly think that someone that has devoted his life to teaching God’s word doesn’t know what a saint is?
You do not truly know what anyone has devoted his/her life to until you get to know them as such. He could be devoted to entertaining his crowds instead of truly educating them in God's Book as I do.