Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
It has been answered in more ways that one and by multiple people, you just can't accept it because in order for us to have free will God can't be all-knowing.
Robtard answered the question without proving that Adam and Eve did not have a free will. Rehashing the same old tenuous argument that God was all-knowing, therefore Adam and Eve did not have a free will is nonsensical and untenable.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Robtard answered the question without proving that Adam and Eve did not have a free will. Rehashing the same old tenuous argument that God was all-knowing, therefore Adam and Eve did not have a free will is nonsensical and untenable.
The belief in Adam and Eve is what is nonsensical.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I am not asking you to answer my questions (as such), I am asking you to prove that Adam and Eve did not have a free will (just admit that you cannot do this).I keep reiterating the fact that Grand_Moff_Gav got my point because he was able to discern the pith and niceties of my case masterfully.
I continue to reiterate this point, because you continue to evade it:
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
For an action to be foreknown, it mus be determined.
Therefore:
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
If Eve can choose to do something contrary to what God knows that she will do, then God is not omniscient.If Eve cannot choose to do something contrary to what God knows that she will do, then Eve does not have free will.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
The belief in Adam and Eve is what is nonsensical.
I believe that Adam and Eve are in Heaven right now with God the Father, Jesus (Who is called Christ), the angels of God, aborted babies, and other believers who have died in this life, the animals, and...I will be joining them just as soon as the Rapture occurs.
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Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I believe that Adam and Eve are in Heaven right now with God the Father, Jesus (Who is called Christ), the angels of God, aborted babies, and other believers who have died in this life, the animals, and...I will be joining them just as soon as the Rapture occurs.😉
1. Adam and Eve are myths.
2. Heaven is not a place you go when you die. http://www.sgi-usa.org/buddhism/faqs/tenworlds.htm
3. Babies that are aborted return to a new life.
4. There will never be a Rapture.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
1. Adam and Eve are myths.
2. Heaven is not a place you go when you die. http://www.sgi-usa.org/buddhism/faqs/tenworlds.htm
3. Babies that are aborted return to a new life.
4. There will never be a Rapture.
1. Prove it.
2. Prove it.
3. As usual you fail to substantiate what you deny.
4. Prove it.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
1. Prove it.
2. Prove it.
3. As usual you fail to substantiate what you deny.
4. Prove it.
I cannot prove anything to you as long as you are so delusional to believe you are the sinless saint; ambassador from god. Come down to Earth and maybe we can talk
I cannot make a blind man see.
P.S. Go to the link and you will see why I say heaven is not a place you go when you die.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I cannot prove anything to you as long as you are so delusional to believe you are the sinless saint; ambassador from god. Come down to Earth and maybe we can talkI cannot make a blind man see.
P.S. Go to the link and you will see why I say heaven is not a place you go when you die.
Did...I...ever...say...write...post...communicate...convey...or affirm that I was sinless? No? So then please do not put words in my mouth.
Me blind? How could a believer in Jesus Christ be blind (in the shade of meaning that you use)? That is an oxymoron.
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveWhich you have failed to acknowledge that what he and I and others have posted that if God is all-knowing than he would have already known, therefore they would have not have free will according to God. That is not in debate, everyone here can see this so why can't you?
Robtard answered the question without proving that Adam and Eve did not have a free will. Rehashing the same old tenuous argument that God was all-knowing, therefore Adam and Eve did not have a free will is nonsensical and untenable.
Please explain how if God already knows what you will do before you do it, how this is free will?
Originally posted by Burning thoughtI agree to a point, why would a being that is all-powerful, all-knowing and exists in all time and space would even create us? It wouldn't be an experiment because he would all ready know the answer.
if God was all knowing, he wouldnt have humanity down on earth, there would be no need to, he would just throw us all into heaven/hell depending on how we "would" of lived our lives and its all done and over
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Did...I...ever...say...write...post...communicate...convey...or affirm that I was sinless? No? So then please do not put words in my mouth.Me blind? How could a believer in Jesus Christ be blind (in the shade of meaning that you use)? That is an oxymoron.
On more then one occasion. I will not waist my time looking for them.
Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
I agree to a point, why would a being that is all-powerful, all-knowing and exists in all time and space would even create us? It wouldn't be an experiment because he would all ready know the answer.
Why do inventors invent? Why do painters paint? Why do artists draw? Why do singers sing? Why do writers write? Why do composers compose? Why do captalist capitalize? Why do builders build? Why do potters make clay pots?
Can't you see the fallacy in your question?
Why did the Creator create? (Uh...could it be because that is what the Creator should do?)
Originally posted by Burning thought
if God was all knowing, he wouldnt have humanity down on earth, there would be no need to, he would just throw us all into heaven/hell depending on how we "would" of lived our lives and its all done and over
So that was the best that you could come up with considering that you have a finite mind? Remember God's mind is infinite (i.e. having no bounds, restrictions, or limits), He has seen, weighed, and calculated every possible ramification and repercussion of creating life and still in His infinite wisdom elected to create life. Can you say this? Are you capable of seeing the end from the beginning? (Be honest now the world is watching.)
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveYou said you were a saint and ambassador from god. How can I even talk to someone like that?
Making an effort not to practice sin and being [B]sin-less are not the same. Besides, I have never stated that I was sin-less, I have simply stated that I do not practice sin. Jesus is sinless. [/B]