Originally posted by DarkCrawler
I've still seen her faint/exert herself multiple times while channeling way less power, so obviously her physical body restrains her.
In some issues, she struggles with calming a normal size hurricane that reaches maybe 500 miles across. In other issues, she stops a hurricane cold that spans an entire hemisphere. On these boards, we give the characters their full credit. Problem is Storm is much more powerful than the x-villains. I like to think that what happens is Storm places limits on her own power to protect the planet and possibly the universe.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
She can stop hurricanes that span entire hemisphere, but I have never seen her do such feat with ease. And any hurricane you can name is a speck of dust compared to the power of a star. Even the Great Red Spot.
So? She is written inconsistently. Also, she would be much stronger on Jupiter than she is on Earth. Jupiter is a larger planet with more energies on it. This means that there is more to power her physically, psychically and spiritually.
Also, the reason some of those stunts have been harder for her is because she holds herself back. When she went punk, she let go of some of her inhibitions and some of the things that were difficult for her earlier became easy. Check out Uncanny 175 when she nearly killed the team and Mastermind with her storm. She said that a storm like that would have exhausted her at one time, but not anymore. The reason being she let go of some of what kept her powers in check.
This is also the case in Uncanny 145-147 with Rougestorm. Uncanny 145-147 was a perfect parallel to the Dark Phoenix Saga. In the Dark Phoenix Saga, Phoenix's powers were held in check by Jean Grey's humanity. More specifically, her morality and compassion. MAstermind's mind games removed those elements and Phoenix became the near-infinite/infinitely powerful Dark Phoenix.
In Uncanny 145-147, Storm took the place of Phoenix, Rougestorm the place of Dark Phoenix and Dr. Doom the place of MAstermind. Ororo's compassion and morality is what tempers her powers. Remember, Phoenix prior to Dark Phoenix had struggled in the past with some of her stunts and was even overpowered. Same with Ororo. However, when Dr. Doom transformed Ororo into a living statue, Storm was hit by such a primal fear that she lashed out subconsciously without any thought of the consequences. (See Uncanny 146) The claustrophobic attack stripped away the compassion that kept her power in check the same way Mastermind's mind games removed Jean's humanity that kept the cosmic Phoenix's powers in check. What we got was the birth of Roguestorm who had powers on a par with Dark Phoenix. The lady was near-infinitely powerful and was still growing in power. This is why the issue said that she finally knew what Jean felt as Phoenix. Storm, like Phoenix, was tempted by ultimate power. This is all stated right in the story. However, where Jean lacked the willpower to overcome the thirst, Storm rose to the challenge and overcame it. This is why on the cover of 147 it states, "We did it once, dare we do it again." Its a reference to the whole Dark Phoenix thing.
Go back and reread that interview with Claremont now that 2damnloud posted a few pages ago. 😄
Nice going 2damnloud!!
So Storm struggles sometimes because she has put a block on her own powers. (However, sometimes, she's just plum written down. lol!)
Now, if Storm can summon the full power of millions of stars, imagine what Rougestorm can do! Did you read her description? "Her breath is fire and ice, her voice rolling thunder. She is one with the entire planet and all of its myriad, elemental forces are hers to command..." In other words, this lady was evolving. No wonder she told Thunderbird 3 that she will one day evolve into a true goddess and has experienced evolution herself. 😄
Originally posted by Rutog98
So? She is written inconsistently. Also, she would be much stronger on Jupiter than she is on Earth. Jupiter is a larger planet with more energies on it. This means that there is more to power her physically, psychically and spiritually.Also, the reason some of those stunts have been harder for her is because she holds herself back. When she went punk, she let go of some of her inhibitions and some of the things that were difficult for her earlier became easy. Check out Uncanny 175 when she nearly killed the team and Mastermind with her storm. She said that a storm like that would have exhausted her at one time, but not anymore. The reason being she let go of some of what kept her powers in check.
This is also the case in Uncanny 145-147 with Rougestorm. Uncanny 145-147 was a perfect parallel to the Dark Phoenix Saga. In the Dark Phoenix Saga, Phoenix's powers were held in check by Jean Grey's humanity. More specifically, her morality and compassion. MAstermind's mind games removed those elements and Phoenix became the near-infinite/infinitely powerful Dark Phoenix.
In Uncanny 145-147, Storm took the place of Phoenix, Rougestorm the place of Dark Phoenix and Dr. Doom the place of MAstermind. Ororo's compassion and morality is what tempers her powers. Remember, Phoenix prior to Dark Phoenix had struggled in the past with some of her stunts and was even overpowered. Same with Ororo. However, when Dr. Doom transformed Ororo into a living statue, Storm was hit by such a primal fear that she lashed out subconsciously without any thought of the consequences. (See Uncanny 146) The claustrophobic attack stripped away the compassion that kept her power in check the same way Mastermind's mind games removed Jean's humanity that kept the cosmic Phoenix's powers in check. What we got was the birth of Roguestorm who had powers on a par with Dark Phoenix. The lady was near-infinitely powerful and was still growing in power. This is why the issue said that she finally knew what Jean felt as Phoenix. Storm, like Phoenix, was tempted by ultimate power. This is all stated right in the story. However, where Jean lacked the willpower to overcome the thirst, Storm rose to the challenge and overcame it. This is why on the cover of 147 it states, "We did it once, dare we do it again." Its a reference to the whole Dark Phoenix thing.
Go back and reread that interview with Claremont now that 2damnloud posted a few pages ago. 😄
Nice going 2damnloud!!So Storm struggles sometimes because she has put a block on her own powers. (However, sometimes, she's just plum written down. lol!)
Indeed you are correct, they have always tried to keep storm and jean around the same power level because both of them are very much like sisters and can pack a serious punch if you ask me. Storm has held back alot and has been written inconsistently numerous times. Storm had evolved in the UX 147 and became indeed to the level of dark phoenix, they've made this perfectly clear since the cover of the book. Storm fighting meggan at that stage can and will defeat her in that match, her powers work at seriously high scales already so adding
rogue storm makes her on cosmic scale.
Meggan has been defeated.
Originally posted by Rutog98In Uncanny 145-147, Storm took the place of Phoenix, Rougestorm the place of Dark Phoenix and Dr. Doom the place of MAstermind. Ororo's compassion and morality is what tempers her powers. Remember, Phoenix prior to Dark Phoenix had struggled in the past with some of her stunts and was even overpowered. Same with Ororo. However, when Dr. Doom transformed Ororo into a living statue, Storm was hit by such a primal fear that she lashed out subconsciously without any thought of the consequences. (See Uncanny 146) The claustrophobic attack stripped away the compassion that kept her power in check the same way Mastermind's mind games removed Jean's humanity that kept the cosmic Phoenix's powers in check. What we got was the birth of Roguestorm who had powers on a par with Dark Phoenix. The lady was near-infinitely powerful and was still growing in power. This is why the issue said that she finally knew what Jean felt as Phoenix. Storm, like Phoenix, was tempted by ultimate power. This is all stated right in the story. However, where Jean lacked the willpower to overcome the thirst, Storm rose to the challenge and overcame it. This is why on the cover of 147 it states, "We did it once, dare we do it again." Its a reference to the whole Dark Phoenix thing.
I will post the scans of this issue if i have to. What youre claiming is ludicrous. Storm never has and never will have power on par with Dark Phoenix. Nowhere is that stated or depicted on panel.
What was depicted in that issue is that Storm went through a similar struggle as Dark Phoenix. i.e being manipulated by outside dark forces (Mastermind for Phoenix, Doom for Storm) with the end result being they both lost control and lashed out with their powers. That is where the parallels ended.
Forget it. I'll post the scans.
There were no parallels drawn between their power levels through statement. Storm performed no feat on panel to support your argument. In fact did she not illustrate her limitations in comparison to Thor when it came to controlling the weather?
THOR?!! Phoenix would eat Thor. 😂
Nothing to support your claim. As such that is just your opinion. Which again is very much unsupported on panel and therefore irrelevant to this debate.
Unless your reply has a posted scan actually STATING DIRECTLY this point youre trying to make then i think its safe to say everyone involved in this argument can dismiss this notion your presenting.
Originally posted by GalacticStormHe's talking about some magazine interview, GS.
Tell me the issue number and i'll post scans
Basically they are equating Storm to Phoenix by saying that...
Storm is an Omega because she...
Can become a pure elemental (which is one of the requirements of being an Omega apparently despite that of the confirmed Omega's only Iceman is really an elemental) being based on...
The non-canon AoA/Earth 295 Storm and a passing comment in Black Panther #21 where Iron Man uses the phrase "possible Omega mutant." (Edit: Actually not even Iron Man, on closer inspection, just someone in a Sentinel.)
Then saying that because she is an Omega due to the above...
Storm will have unlimited power at full potential...
Because in the galactic core she absorbed some power from a million stars (N.B. not all the power of the stars because otherwise the stars would have died) (N.B. after which she basically died, as you already know) ...
And therefore is equal to or greater than Phoenix.
Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Unfortunetly Thor has already handed Rachel's her ass.
Just like i did to your master. Who has left your lackey ass to the dogs.
What u got for me now boy?!!!
The challenge was set and he scarpered.
GAME.
SET
MATCH
😱
Rachel has limited access to the Force therefore your point is irrelevant
Read some damn comics!! 😂
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Just like i did to your master. Who has left your lackey ass to the dogs.What u got for me now boy?!!!
The challenge was set and he scarpered.
GAME.
SET
MATCH
😱
Rachel has limited access to the Force therefore your point is irrelevant
Read some damn comics!! 😂
