Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Wow she can exist without a consciousness, that's mighty impressive. Gibberish. Iceman is an Omega, because Xavier and X-Men writers have labelled him conclusively as such.
They don't just pick anybody to become an omega, they have to have some type of requirements before they are considered omega.
Originally posted by The Weather GodWhat? Think then type. Otherwise it's just a waste of bandwidth.
Because storm would be just like iceman once she becomes an elemental, there would be no evidence to suggest that storm wouldn't be then.
Being an elemental is not a requirement.
Originally posted by The Weather GodIceman can lower temperatures to basically absolute zero. Bullshit speculation about what Storm could do if she was an Omega does not make her an Omega.
Storm can lower temperatures far below zero but if she does this in the same place she is in then she'll die , her body can't handle her powers.
Originally posted by The Weather GodUh... it may be the only place you get your info. It labels Mr Immortal an Omega, based on a story on IGN, who's power is to be immortal and doesn't even fit it's own descriptions.
fine by me seeing that this is the only source we're getting our omega info from to know anything about omega leveled.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
What? Think then type. Otherwise it's just a waste of bandwidth.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Being an elemental is not a requirement.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Iceman can lower temperatures to basically absolute zero. Bullshit speculation about what Storm could do if she was an Omega does not make her an Omega.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Uh... it may be the only place you get your info. It labels Mr Immortal an Omega, based on a story on IGN, who's power is to be immortal and doesn't even fit it's own descriptions.
Ok then where is your profile on what is omega and what is not? you don't have one so who are you to say she is not one if you don't even know what omega is?
Originally posted by The Weather GodOkay... spend more time making your posts coherent, and less with "I know you are, but what am I.", and maybe I wouldn't have to tell you that.
I think you need to be telling yourself that.
Originally posted by The Weather GodBecause he's stated conclusively and unambiguously on panel as an Omega by legitimate sources e.g. Xavier, in X-comics, by X-writers.
Well then why is iceman an omega and storm's not?
Originally posted by The Weather GodNo she can't. And no that wouldn't make her an Omega.
Storm can lower temperatures to basically absolute zero in her current state. I was saying that storm is not able to turn into a ice-form like iceman in her current state. Her elemental would be able to and therefor they're powers would be the same and therefor storm should be omega level.
Originally posted by The Weather God1) You've shown you have a poor understanding of the Omega concept.
Ok then where is you profile of what is omega and what is not? you don't have one so who are you to say she is not one if you don't even know what omega is?
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Okay... spend more time making your posts coherent, and less with "I know you are, but what am I.", and maybe I wouldn't have to tell you that.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Because he's stated conclusively and unambiguously on panel as an Omega by legitimate sources e.g. Xavier, in X-comics, by X-writers.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
No she can't. And no that wouldn't make her an Omega.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
1) You've shown you have a poor understanding of the Omega concept.
2) If a legitimate source in a canon comic, by a capable and respected writer, comes out and says Squirrel Girl is an Omega mutant. She is, regardless of my own personal definition of Omega.
Then you truly believe that anyone can be chosen to become an omega am i correct?
Atleast wikipedia's made better sense then that
Originally posted by The Weather GodI've already stated numerous times I think Omega in itself is a meaningless label.
So you believe that anyone can be omega without any meaning as to why they are omega? What would be the reason of omega if anyone is chosen to be omega.
Originally posted by The Weather GodI said "absolute zero". 😐 Run along and wikipedia it.
Then what would? and storm can lower temperatures to zero, the only reason she doesn't is because it would kill her.
Originally posted by The Weather GodI have ideas of who else should be an Omega, who would fit with the current Omega mutants. There's a very old thread floating around somewhere with my definition. But they aren't Omega mutants, because they haven't been labelled conclusively as such.
Then you truly believe that anyone can be chosen to become an omega am i correct?
If Marvel X-writers had decided to label Squirrel Girl, or Jubilee or Beak before M-Day. They would be Omega mutants.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I've already stated numerous times I think Omega in itself is a meaningless label.
I said "absolute zero". 😐 Run along and wikipedia it.
I have ideas of who else should be an Omega, who would fit with the current Omega mutants. But they aren't Omega mutants, because they haven't been labelled as such.If Marvel X-writers had decided to label Squirrel Girl, or Jubilee or Beak before M-Day. They would be Omega mutants.
Ok you keep your opinion and ii'll keep mine then
But just in case your still thinking storm can't freeze to zero
He was using storm's powers and her body(canon)
Seriously, go google "absolute zero."
This is what I consider an Omega, from the old thread:
"The four confirmed Omega mutants are:
Quentin Quire
Elixir
Phoenix
Iceman
An important thing that Elixir shows is that the power does not necessarily have to be destructive/offensive in nature.
If you want to define what should be considered an Omega mutant you should instead consider what the common features are between these four mutants.
Imo defining Omega has two criteria - type of power and potential of power for growth - and both must be fulfilled in order to qualify.
Type of power:
Psionic manipulation of one or more (forms of) components of Marvel reality - matter, energy and consciousness.
Phoenix - matter and energy in general, and consciousness.
Iceman - kinetic energy
Kid Omega - consciousness
Elixir - organic matter, biochemical energetics
Level of power:
Their powers have the potential to expand in such an exponential fashion that their limits - if they do indeed have limits at all - to what they can do with their powers and to what scale they can use them are so far above other mutants that they effectively have no limits when compared to other mutants. The four confirmed Omega's are at different stages in their powers.
Phoenix has achieved her full potential.
Iceman has achieved some of his potential.
Kid Omega has to an extent as well.
Elixir hasn't yet done anything that impressive.
With younger mutants there is more leeway for them to be later revealed as omega mutants. For the old guard I'd say it is unlikely e.g. Xavier is imo a very powerful alpha mutant but not an omega - he's lived about 60 years(?), his powers are pretty much honed to their attainable maximum.
Three of the four have also shown the ability to transcend a corporeal form and exist as a a self-sustaining consciousness that may inhabit inorganic matter and/or energy (with Elixir being the only exception). So the ability to do this as power develops may be a requirement as well. All of the mutants acquired their powers naturally so imo mutants that have been enhanced by technological means should not be considered."
"In the MU not everyone has a relative peak. You could say Jean Grey has peaked as Phoenix, but then her abilites dwarf every other mutants so much that in relation to them her peak is infinity.
From what I understand there are two requisites of being an omega, the nature of the mutant power and the ultimate limitations of the progression of that power.
1) Their mutant power involves the manipulation of energy, time, reality, matter on an atomic scale or a combination of the aforementioned.
2) Omega mutant abilities have unlimited potential to expand to be inconceivably powerful.
The power does not need to necessarily be destructive e.g. Josh Foley/Elixir manipulates organic matter to heal and his abilities have unlimited potential.
Cypher had no limits on his ability to translate languages. Forge theoretically has no limits on what he can build. They would not be considered omegas though.
Magneto can manipulate energy, and is incredibly skilled in the use of his abilities. Elixir manipulates matter, and is not very skilled in the use of his abilities. But Elixir is an omega while Magneto is not because Magneto has peaked while Elixir may never peak in relation to other mutants."
Storm may or may not fit my definition, doesn't matter she isn't one until stated conclusively.
And if someone who doesn't fit my definition is stated as one, it doesn't matter, they still are an Omega.
Originally posted by The Weather GodAbsolute zero always means –273.15 degrees Celcius. As such it's used for –273.15 degrees Celcius, always with regard to temperature. 😐
Subzero literally means "beneath zero." As such, it is usually used for negative numbers, especially with regards to temperature. the icestorm was sub-zero levels.
See above comment about thinking, typing and bandwidth.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotSee above comment about thinking, typing and bandwidth.
and you just had to say that didn't you?
That was an incredibly long post, you really didn't expect me to sit there and read that entire thing while i'm tired
anyway i gotta go, chat with you about this tommorow
Originally posted by 2damnloud
MY mistake, it was 1979 from Rampage Magazine(UK)The interviewer (someone called Richard Burton, I'll abbreviate it to RB) is asking Chris various questions, working through the characters...
"RB: Storm next...
Chris Claremont: Storm is basically what she is...a goddess, a three-dimensional goddess, if such a thing is possible.
RB: When the new X-Men first appeared Storm was probably the most powerful and dramatic member. Do you feel now that she's been slightly upstaged by Phoenix?
Chris Claremont: No. In equal terms of raw power, they're approximately equal.
Jean can maintain a higher burst...she can peak higher than Storm but she can't hold it for long. The thing with Storm is that all we've done till now is show her throwing lightning bolts and creating hurricanes, but she can do far more. Phoenix is more visual - the 'bird effect' is more spectacular. So the gist of it is that they complement each other. They do different things in different ways."
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
1) You've shown you have a poor understanding of the Omega concept.
I would be surprised if you fully understand Marvel's definition of Omega mutants, seeing that we have such few clues to identify one. 😕
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
2) If a legitimate source in a canon comic, by a capable and respected writer, comes out and says Squirrel Girl is an Omega mutant. She is,
IMHO, you really should stop saying that. Even if you don't like Hudlin, he still has more authority to classify somebody as an Omega mutant then you do.
It written in a Marvel book so there a high possibility that she is an Omega mutant.
I hope that didn't come off rude 😄
Originally posted by HandOfFateI don't claim to. But I do know that it isn't about being an elemental, nor is it purely about flashy displays of power.
I would be surprised if you fully understand Marvel's definition of Omega mutants, seeing that we have such few clues to identify one. 😕
Originally posted by HandOfFateI call a spade a spade. Hudlin is a crap writer. If he wants to call the Storm lookalike trophy wife in his Black Panther comics a "possible Omega" in a random passing manner that's nice for him. Doesn't change that it's meaningless.
IMHO, you really should stop saying that. Even if you don't like Hudlin, he still has more authority to classify somebody as an Omega mutant then you do.I hope that didn't come off rude 😄
Every mutant is a possible Omega mutant.