Originally posted by Alliance
What you seem to be missing is that starships are supposed to show connections and allegiances.
...Ummm, obviously...I'm not saying they shouldn't. But what I am saying is:
"A lot of that stuff (especially stuff that ties directly into the the OT) is forced, contrived, and uninspired."
Great...it's supposed to show connections and allegiances...wonderful. But I'm saying that unfortuenately because of that, it ends up looking forced and contrived and it limits the artistic expression along the way. That's all.
And I did say:
"There is a lot of good stuff, but the ARC fighter is NOT one of them...ugh!"
Why are you naming hyperspace rings and all that stuff...those rock. I never said they didn't. There is indeed a lot of original stuff...but the tie-in stuff just looks ugly.
It's cool that they connect to the OT...but that does not make them cool-looking.
...and clone troopers, come on. "Let's take a bit of Jango Fett, and a bit of Stortroopers, and make them look like old ladies". They look like old ladies!!
I think they look awesome as a cg effect, but as a design...uggh.
The stormtrooper is a work of art...Know how many Star Wars fans there are out there how are Stormtrooper maniacs and have every single Stormtrooper thing you can imagine?
Stromtroopers are a franchise all to themselves! Look at the 501st Legion!! There will NEVER be that many people who will have the original clone trooper costumes...they're just lame.
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
...Ummm, obviously...I'm not saying they shouldn't. But what I am saying is:"A lot of that stuff (especially stuff that ties directly into the the OT) is forced, contrived, and uninspired."
Great...it's supposed to show connections and allegiances...but I'm saying that unfortuenately because of that, it ends up looking forced and contrived and it limits the artistic expression. That's all.
And I did say:
(There is a lot of good stuff, but the ARC fighter is NOT one of them...ugh!)
Why are you naming hyperspace rings and all that stuff...those rock. I never said they didn't. There is indeed a lot of original stuff...but the tie-in stuff just looks ugly...it's cool that they connect to the OT...but that does not make them cool looking.
Ok. Very little artistic freedom was limited in TPM because most everything was new. The two references we saw were the Trade Federation Battleships and the Infiltrator. Both these ships had similar inspirations.
Things like the Delta-7 were totally new. They simply make reference to the "wedgie" shape of the star destroyer.
I guess, as an artist, its not limiting my creativity to work within a known universe or with a clear direction in mind. You can say that the stabilizers on the ARC-170s and the Eta-2s are contrived, but why to x-wings and TIEs have them anyway? I don't think they look more ridiculous in one place than another. (ARCs are a bit awkward, but I still like them a lot...I'll try to think of why) Pure artistic freedom came int he form of ships that weren't going to be used again (Tri-fighters, Lartys, Grievous' Starfighter, Vulture fighters, V-19 Torrents etc) but there still is lots of room as an artist to do what you want within a framework.
But honestly, I was trying to find some cool PT vehicles to give as examples, and I was surprised to find myself having a hard time out of such a selection.
As soon as you star making hundreds of ships/vehcles for your movies, the level of quality ends up suffering.
Look at the OT stuff...there aren't a lot, but each one of them is gem! The falcon, star destroyer, tie-interceptor, snowspeeder, emperor's shuttle. All beauts!
I'm not saying they shouldn't have had a lot of vehicles in the PT, but at the end of the day, the staying power of those designs are just...meh!
I do like Zam's speeder, the wookie stuff (although I wish they showed them for more than 2 seconds), the clunky...and quirky...droid army stuff, the Naboo fighters, Trade Fed. landing ships, sebulba's podracer, and the gungan sub.
(I'm so glad Anakin's starfighter wasn't in the movies...Jeez!)
i've gotta agree with alliance on this one...
i like the starfighters quite a bit, and i consider the OT to be far beyond the pt when it comes to the movies themselves...
i think, at least in a visual, aesthetic sense, the pt has a hell of alot going for it, especially in the realm of starships and fighters...
it has nothing to do with liking the movies for me, just the designs...
and clones rock imo... especially episode II ones... the uniform, the weapons, the ships, the lot...
What I like about the Phase I armor is that (at least in the EU, which is the only area that actually covers these things) is that it fits in with the Kamino architecture. I like that the sleek white armor fitst that culture, yet, connects to the Empire.
The Phase I armor also doesn't fit the clones very well and is bulky and not alway anatomically correct. Its a perfect statement of the abuse of the clones by the Kaminoans.
Originally posted by Alliance
What I like about the Phase I armor is that (at least in the EU, which is the only area that actually covers these things) is that it fits in with the Kamino architecture. I like that the sleek white armor fitst that culture, yet, connects to the Empire.The Phase I armor also doesn't fit the clones very well and is bulky and not alway anatomically correct. Its a perfect statement of the abuse of the clones by the Kaminoans.
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i actually prefer the phase 1 armour, and the arc dudes in cw cartoon cemented that for me...
i love the laat, especially the sound effect of their engines...
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
"Gather 'round now kiddies. Grandma just baked some cookies."
i like it... so much that when the unleashed clone came out, i got the white one and the variant red one...
Don't even get me started on the Phase I variants...That blue ARC trooper dude with the shoulder pads and kilt...oh my. What an embarassment to the franchise.
By sith, a couple of the Phase II variants start to look alright (like Commander Appo of the 501st)...because they're basically slightly altered stormtroopers at that point. Phase I is just another failed and ugly attempt at linking the PT to the OT.
...And even in Sith, some of the many, many variations (again quantity in lieu of quality) just look ridiculous.
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Don't even get me started on the Phase I variants...That blue ARC trooper dude with the shoulder pads and kilt...oh my. What an embarassment to the franchise.By sith, a couple of the Phase II variants start to look alright (like Commander Appo of the 501st)...because they're basically slightly altered stormtroopers at that point. Phase I is just another failed and ugly attempt at linking the PT to the OT.
...And even in Sith, some of the many, many variations (again quantity in lieu of quality) just look ridiculous.
Argh. Did you know that armies contain different types of soldiers and those soldiers have different uniforms?
Its not a stretch. The clones are one of the BRILLIANT (may I emphasize that) bridges between PT and OT. The Phase I troopers are DISTINCTLY Kaminoan. The Phase II troopers are a bridge between the two, yet the armor makes logical sense. Of the Three armors, Stormie armor is the worst. There is nothing contrived abotu the armor.
And the "kilt" is called a kama. And ARC are glorious. Its about time the amries that fight the star WARS are treated as soldiers and not expendable rats.
The clones are the most ingenious child of the Star Wars Saga.
Mistake #1...you're letting me get to you. 🙂
Mistake #2...You're looking at everything from "logical...logical,". I'm not arguing that it's not logical. Never did. I'm not saying it's not clever. Never did. And I'm not saying it's a stretch....I just think it's ugly! It's just my opinion man.
I think an Imperial Stormtrooper is one of the coolest things I've ever seen...honestly...and man, do you have any idea how many Star Wars Stormtrooper freaks out there who would agree with me on that? People just go nuts over Stormtroopers...don't know why it is.
On the other hand, I don't think a Clone Trooper strikes the same chord with me or with a lot of other Star Wars fans...simply because it's just not that great.
And when it comes to the ARC trooper...I think it's hideous.
And furthermore, I can undersatnd that this is what might happen if people's artistrty is limited by restrictions such as continuity.
Mistake #3...You're arguing your point from a practicality point of view..."Stormtroopers are wimps, Clone Troopers are kick-ass." I never argued that...I just said from the very beginning that they're ugly, contrived and uninspired...as is a lot of stuff in the PT.
From my very first post I clearly said there's a lot of cool stuff in the PT, and I clearly indicated that things have to indeed tie into the OT...it seems for some reason you're not realizing this...
...probably because you're really excited about defending clone troopers. 😉