Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
I wanna see a Jedi the Hutt. I saw one in an old comic, but it was mad cheesey. I think it'd be funny, he slaps his tail in a dude's face and he has a bunch of slug shit all over his face. 😂
Planet of Twilight had one
Anyone else notice their ideas being used? I always find one on a Wiki search that somehow is completely differant than what I was searching for 😛
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
useless thread. Kas'im did master all 7 forms of saber combat, and was called the greatest duelist of his order and possibly ever.
Hyperbole and lack of research. It was BS. It said a Sith student was using vaapad at one point in the novel.
Maul would destroy him in saber combat. Maul would not get tired, where Kas'Im was stated to be a victim of fatigue. Maul knows how the double-bladed lightsaber works and has been using it since childhood. Maul can resist lightning with or without a lightsaber, has obliterated the black sun with ease (which includes many of the "Galaxies deadliest" people), is a master of teri kasi, and is from a more powerful era where the dark side isn't spread thin and weak.
Hyperbole and lack of research.
It was stated by the omniscient narrator, and seeing as it's not disputed by any higher forms of canon, it goes. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean that you can just shrug it off as hyperbole, that doesn't quite cut it.
It was BS.
Willing to provide an argument as to why?
It said a Sith student was using vaapad at one point in the novel.
A mistake on Drew's part, doesn't make any of the rest of the book less genuine or anything.
Maul would not get tired
Yay for unsupported assumptions. I've heard you parade around how Maul is beyond fatigue, care to provide a argument, because nobody is beyond fatigue, everyone eventually would run out of energy given the right amount of exertion.
where Kas'Im was stated to be a victim of fatigue.
Where was that said? That is just ridiculous, considering that Kas'im kept his body in better condition than any other sith lord around at the time.
Maul knows how the double-bladed lightsaber works and has been using it since childhood.
Within the first few passes Bane knew he couldn't win. Kas'Im had trained his entire life for this moment. After years of study, he'd mastered all seven forms of the lightsaber. Then he'd honed his skill for decades, perfecting every move and sequence until he had become the perfect weapon and the greatest living swordsman in the galaxy. Maybe the greatest swordsman ever. bane was no match for him.
What seems more impressive to you?
Maul can resist lightning with or without a lightsaber,
Erm, feat wars anyone? How is that relevant to a saber duel.
has obliterated the black sun with ease (which includes many of the "Galaxies deadliest" people)
Quantify and substantiate this please. How did he do it, how many people did he kill? Sure, from what I remember (I read the comic quite a while ago) it was somewhat impressive, but at the end of the day it doesn't really speak for his duelling skill. You're gonna have to do much better than that.
is a master of teri kasi
This is great and all, but still nothing on Kas'Im. I'd pick a master of all seven forms, as well as a master of the dual sabers as well as the saber staff over a master of Juyo and Teras Kasi.
and is from a more powerful era where the dark side isn't spread thin and weak.
This is a pretty ridiculous way to try and downplay how powerful Kas'Im's era was; if anything 'the darkside being spread too thin' had more to do with the sith philosophy and how strong and stable the order was, it has hardly anything to do with the personal power of anyone in the order.
Also, this is a discussion on saber skill, not force power, so your point is moot anyways.
Originally posted by Kas'Im
It was stated by the omniscient narrator, and seeing as it's not disputed by any higher forms of canon, it goes. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean that you can just shrug it off as hyperbole, that doesn't quite cut it.
Originally posted by Kas'Im
Willing to provide an argument as to why?
Originally posted by Kas'Imah so ultimately YOU can dictate whats canon in a book and whats not? unless its contradicted by a movie or Lucas, then theres no mistake. Books are proofread about 3 times before being published, so if that was a mistake, it would surely be corrected before hand.
A mistake on Drew's part, doesn't make any of the rest of the book less genuine or anything.
Originally posted by Kas'ImIm thinking he meant his comditioning is above Kas'Im's.
Yay for unsupported assumptions. I've heard you parade around how Maul is beyond fatigue, care to provide a argument, because nobody is beyond fatigue, everyone eventually would run out of energy given the right amount of exertion.
Originally posted by Kas'ImAHA! Like you said, EVERYONE will run out of energy, now youre saying he wont? Please. And exactly, of HIS time, not everyone else's era.
Where was that said? That is just ridiculous, considering that Kas'im kept his body in better condition than any other sith lord around at the time.
Originally posted by Kas'ImWhen speaking like that, ever means up to that point. They cant speak of the future cause in their timline, nothing else has happened, so theres nothing new to compare it to. But other than that, i wont argue the quote, it has a point.
Within the first few passes Bane knew he couldn't win. Kas'Im had trained his entire life for this moment. After years of study, he'd mastered all seven forms of the lightsaber. Then he'd honed his skill for decades, perfecting every move and sequence until he had become the perfect weapon and the greatest living swordsman in the galaxy. Maybe the greatest swordsman ever. bane was no match for him.What seems more impressive to you?
Originally posted by Kas'ImIs this an anything goes fight? If so, then its quite relevant. If not, then it doesnt matter.
Erm, feat wars anyone? How is that relevant to a saber duel.
Originally posted by Kas'ImHow does him killing MULTIPLE people with dueling not speak for his duelling skills? Thats excatly what it is you idiot. If he dueled them and killed them...thats it. So find something saying that he used other methods.
Quantify and substantiate this please. How did he do it, how many people did he kill? Sure, from what I remember (I read the comic quite a while ago) it was somewhat impressive, but at the end of the day it doesn't really speak for his [b]duelling skill. You're gonna have to do much better than that.[/B]
Originally posted by Kas'ImI agree
This is great and all, but still nothing on Kas'Im. I'd pick a master of all seven forms, as well as a master of the dual sabers as well as the saber staff over a master of Juyo and Teras Kasi.
Originally posted by Kas'Im
This is a pretty ridiculous way to try and downplay how powerful Kas'Im's era was; if anything 'the darkside being spread too thin' had more to do with the sith philosophy and how strong and stable the order was, it has hardly anything to do with the personal power of anyone in the order.
Also, this is a discussion on saber skill, not force power, so your point is moot anyways.
indeed.
ah so ultimately YOU can dictate whats canon in a book and whats not? unless its contradicted by a movie or Lucas, then theres no mistake. Books are proofread about 3 times before being published, so if that was a mistake, it would surely be corrected before hand.
Excuse me? That's just how canon works, all I'm doing is following the rules.
Im thinking he meant his comditioning is above Kas'Im's.
Well I've seen him go on about how Maul is beyond fatigue before, and I just wanted to address it.
AHA! Like you said, EVERYONE will run out of energy, now youre saying he wont? Please.
Where did I say he won't? Reading comprehension much? He implied that Kas'Im was pretty unconditioned on a relative scale, and I was just saying that it's bs.
And exactly, of HIS time, not everyone else's era.
The point is, he is in great physical condition, and if you knew how to read properly, you would see that I was addressing JJ's point about Kas'Im lacking in that particular department.
When speaking like that, ever means up to that point. They cant speak of the future cause in their timline, nothing else has happened, so theres nothing new to compare it to.
And, why are you telling me things I already know? Did I say anything in contrary to that?
Is this an anything goes fight? If so, then its quite relevant. If not, then it doesnt matter.
JollyJim was speaking in terms of a saber duel.
How does him killing MULTIPLE people with dueling not speak for his duelling skills?
It doesn't speak for his dueling skills because there was no swordsman for him to duel with. It only speaks for his espionage skills, assassination skills and how capable he is in dealing with blaster wielding foes.
Originally posted by jollyjim311
Hyperbole and lack of research. It was BS. It said a Sith student was using vaapad at one point in the novel.Maul would destroy him in saber combat. Maul would not get tired, where Kas'Im was stated to be a victim of fatigue. Maul knows how the double-bladed lightsaber works and has been using it since childhood. Maul can resist lightning with or without a lightsaber, has obliterated the black sun with ease (which includes many of the "Galaxies deadliest" people), is a master of teri kasi, and is from a more powerful era where the dark side isn't spread thin and weak.
One typo does not change the fact that Kas'Im was stated by the narrator to have mastered all seven forms and then continued to improve upon all his abilities.
Stop trying to argue against canon JJ...
Maul is good, but not that good.
Thats how canon works? By YOU choosing what info is canon? No, the whole book is equal.
I know Maul would get tired, it seemed as though you were saying that Maul would, but your boy wouldn't. And yes i can comprehend what I read. He said that Kas'Im was a victim of fatigue, and you said that is ridiculous because he kept his body in better condition than any other sith in his time. You didn't say that Maul would just get tired first, you just said that Kas getting fatigued was ridiculous. I comprehended that quite well. If thats not what you meant than you need to proof read and comprehend what you yourself wrote.
Well being that Maul is not in his era, and you said he's the best ever, using that against Maul, then yea you did say that, so its not really me telling you things you already know.
So no one in the Black Sun wielded a sword? I don't know so I'm seriously asking. But if he killed them all with his lightsaber and didn't even get hurt, that says something for his overall fighting skills.
Dont get me wrong tho, i agree Maul loses.
Thats how canon works? By YOU choosing what info is canon? No, the whole book is equal.
WRONG!!
Any aspect of the book that contradicts a higher form of canon is rendered invalid, whilst the rest of the book that doesn't contradict a higher form of canon stays valid. That's just how these things work.
I know Maul would get tired, it seemed as though you were saying that Maul would, but your boy wouldn't. And yes i can comprehend what I read. He said that Kas'Im was a victim of fatigue, and you said that is ridiculous because he kept his body in better condition than any other sith in his time. You didn't say that Maul would just get tired first, you just said that Kas getting fatigued was ridiculous. I comprehended that quite well. If thats not what you meant than you need to proof read and comprehend what you yourself wrote.
JollyJim stated that Maul would not get tired, whereas Kas'Im was a 'victim' of fatigue. The context in which he stated this indicates that he believed that Kas'Im was pretty badly conditioned, at least worse than Maul. I just responded by saying tha Kas'Im was very well physically conditioned. I really don't see the problem here, you're clearly having trouble understanding the English language.
Well being that Maul is not in his era, and you said he's the best ever, using that against Maul, then yea you did say that, so its not really me telling you things you already know.
I didn't realise that people could get this plain stupid. Please point out where I indicated that I believed that that statement was referring to the future tense as well as past and present, because I didn't.
And yes, you are telling me things I already know, please stop.
So no one in the Black Sun wielded a sword? I don't know so I'm seriously asking. But if he killed them all with his lightsaber and didn't even get hurt, that says something for his overall fighting skills.
I'm pretty sure nobody wielded a sword, but even if there were a few, the feat itself says little about his dueling skill as pretty much the most of the feat involved Maul going up against blaster wielding foes.
ok, which part was contradicted and where was it contradiced at?
And obviously you are quite incapeable of understanding the English language. You implied that Kas being the best "ever" that he was better than Maul. You did this by using that staement to refute Maul's accomplishments. So what I gathered from your post, was actually quite accurate. If you did not mean that in that sense, then you failed to properly express yourself. Anyone who gets tired or fatigued, is a VICTIM of fatigue. Thats how the language works. If you assumed that JJ meant Kas is poorly conditioned, then thats on you. He was saying he believed Maul to be in better shape, but didnt say that Kas was bad. Its a shame how you try to critique others, yet you dont seem to be able to comprehend sentences too well.
ok, which part was contradicted and where was it contradiced at?
The fact that Sirak utilised Vaapad, when in fact Mace Windu invented Vaapad. Direct contradiction.
And obviously you are quite incapeable of understanding the English language. You implied that Kas being the best "ever" that he was better than Maul. You did this by using that staement to refute Maul's accomplishments. So what I gathered from your post, was actually quite accurate. If you did not mean that in that sense, then you failed to properly express yourself.
What are you on?
This was my entire post:
'Within the first few passes Bane knew he couldn't win. Kas'Im had trained his entire life for this moment. After years of study, he'd mastered all seven forms of the lightsaber. Then he'd honed his skill for decades, perfecting every move and sequence until he had become the perfect weapon and the greatest living swordsman in the galaxy. Maybe the greatest swordsman ever. bane was no match for him.
What seems more impressive to you?'
As you can see, the whole point that Kas'Im was possibly the best ever was a tiny portion of my entire post, you're working under the assumption that it was my main point. Shoddy reading comprehension my friend, shoddy.
Anyone who gets tired or fatigued, is a VICTIM of fatigue. Thats how the language works. If you assumed that JJ meant Kas is poorly conditioned, then thats on you.
The problem here would be context, Subject.
His choice of the word 'victim', the fact that he was using the post to explain why Kas'Im would get tired whereas Maul wouldn't, his choice of the words 'was stated'. It's fairly simple, if you were any good at reading people, you would know. Clearly everyone is susceptible to fatigue, so the fact that he is using the reason that 'Kas'Im was stated to be a victim of fatigue' to say that Maul wouldn't get tired in their fight shows us that he was indicating that being a 'victim of fatigue' was a bad thing, and thus indicating that Kas'Im was womewhat poorly conditioned. Believe me Subject, you don't want to go up against me on this. If you do, you will lose.
Its a shame how you try to critique others, yet you dont seem to be able to comprehend sentences too well.
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haha no. I'll go up against you in anything you want. I really don't want this to continue to get personal, but if you want, so be it. The way you typed it out, made me think what i wrote. Doesn't mean its wrong, it means thats the way it was written. I have a high amount of reading/writing comprehension. It was about 8 years ago, but i did extremely well on my SAT's 😂 . No but seriously, I like debating you anyways. I already said that Kas'im would win. Thats not what i was arguing at all, just the finer points of the previous arguments.
To me it didn't seem you were getting what JJ was saying, but i got what he was saying. Either way,all good.