"Both fighters were breathing hard." (159)
That's in reference to Bane and Kas'Im sparring for "Well over a minute" with a brief break afterwords. Maul has never shown any signs of fatigue, and is in top physical condition.
"The outcome was inevitable...Bane had seen every possible sequence, series, move, and trick with the double-bladed lightsaber, and he knew how to counter and nullify them all."(243)
Seeing as how Maul uses a double bladed saber I think this has value. I realize this is a two way street, but Maul is a teri kasi master, and is deadly with his body and not just lightsaber, throwing in kicks and hits that aren't part of any form. He has a unique style of using Juyo and Teri Kasi.
"Every time he tried to change tactics or switch forms, Bane anticipated, reacted and seized the advantage." (243)
Speaks for itself...
Also, Kas'Im was defeated by Bane with less than a year of training (Probably?). Maul was trained by Darth Sidious for his whole life to kill.
Also, read the Maul comics.
"Both fighters were breathing hard." (159)That's in reference to Bane and Kas'Im sparring for "Well over a minute" with a brief break afterwords. Maul has never shown any signs of fatigue, and is in top physical condition.
JollyJim, no need to lie. I have the book right here, where the hell does it say "well over a minute".
Here's a little passage on the same page that I'll throw out at ya:
'Fatigue was setting in. Even the force couldn't keep his muscles fresh forever, and the seemingly endless duel had finally taken too great a toll. The Blademaster, on the other hand, had lost almost none of his speed and sharpness'
This passage describes how Bane felt straight after their duel.
So as you can clearly see, it was 'seemingly endless', and even though Kas'Im was breathing heavily just before, he 'had lost almost none of his speed or sharpness'.
And I mean really, enough with trying to downplay Kas'Im, it's starting to become a joke.
"The outcome was inevitable...Bane had seen every possible sequence, series, move, and trick with the double-bladed lightsaber, and he knew how to counter and nullify them all."(243)Seeing as how Maul uses a double bladed saber I think this has value. I realize this is a two way street, but Maul is a teri kasi master, and is deadly with his body and not just lightsaber, throwing in kicks and hits that aren't part of any form. He has a unique style of using Juyo and Teri Kasi.
However Maul has never been up against a saber staff, so he wouldn't have been able to study how it would be used against him as intently as Bane. Maul also only knows Juyo, whereas Kas'Im knows all seven forms (he combines them together, switches from form to from, so his style is very much unique too, with only Bane knowing it pretty much as well as Kas'Im himself)) so Kas'Im's fighting style would still be very much alien to Maul I'm afraid.
"Every time he tried to change tactics or switch forms, Bane anticipated, reacted and seized the advantage." (243)Speaks for itself...
This is because Bane had studied every single aspect of Kas'Im's style, knew it almost as well as Kas'Im himself, and had the superior force mastery to be able to anticipate everything Kas'Im could throw at him.
Please, stop trying to downplay Kas'Im, it's starting to become a joke.
Also, Kas'Im was defeated by Bane with less than a year of training (Probably?).
More like a year at the very least.
And what you seem to be forgetting is that Bane was clearly a saber prodigy, had progressed fast as hell in the short time he had (taking extra lessons for example), had studied every aspect of Kas'Im's form, had the superior force mastery and knew the temple far better than Kas'Im did, in fact he even states it was this knowledge that gave him the edge.
And yet when Kas'Im brought out the dual sabers, he pwned Bane easily.
Originally posted by jollyjim311
Qui Gon: Best saber duelist Obi had ever seen, on par with Windu. Beat in 30 seconds flat by Maul.
Are we talking about ROTS Mace who put Sidious on his ass, or the younger, pre Vaapad/Shatterpoint Mace who is still slightly noobish in comparison? I am thinking the latter, in which case the quote holds no water. And that last part, is there proof that the battle was just 30 seconds?
Kas'im mastered every single form of lightsaber dueling, plus double bladed and Jar Kai. He was commented by the omniscient narrator as the "perfect weapon," "greatest duelist of his age" and "possibly the greatest ever."
Just because Maul defeated one Jedi of note (which IMO wasn't even that powerful a Jedi), and an organization of non force sensitives (big whoop, Shadows of the Empire Luke did the same thing) means absolutely nothing when he is fighting against a master duelist commented as a contender for the title "the best duelist ever"
And being pushed back by Bane means jack in putting down Kas'im. Bane was getting pushed back when Kas'im unleashed his most trained form of lightsaber dueling (which is apparently Jar Kai).
(We can't be sure when Mace invented his style and he was born with shatterpoint, either way, it's impressive, unless Mace magically became uber by Episode 2 but sucked in Episode 1...?)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=aTpixIcDz08
Exactly 30 seconds after Qui Gon meditated (which, according to the novelization, made him very powerful). Once Maul goes on the offensive, 30 seconds even (2:33-3:03)
Notice how around 45 seconds Qui Gon is one on one with Maul, and gets discarded easily? Now, Qui Gon is good, and him being defeated by Maul is not a negative thing. It speaks for Mauls power, not against Qui Gons.
Quit pretending like Maul sucks. Taking out the Black Sun is damn impressive. And Maul's feats are better than Kas'Im's, who has done zilch other than train with Bane and die in the end. He has one hyperbole to his name. That book has a lack or research (Like someone using Vaapad, which wasn't invented until some 1,000 years later), and the quote is exaggerated.
Also, Maul learned from Sidious so he probably has a better dark side knowledge.
As for "mastering" every form, Bane had no problem taking an advantage when he had a double bladed saber (not to mention how he was always preaching about if you practice another form, it's time away from yours, and how it's a bad thing, he probably learned from experience).
(We can't be sure when Mace invented his style and he was born with shatterpoint, either way, it's impressive, unless Mace magically became uber by Episode 2 but sucked in Episode 1
And? When did he fully recognize and refine his shatterpoint ability? Bane had the innate ability to force crush when he was young...Did that mean he was force crushing every single miner? No, it was not yet developed or refined. not to mention Mace has yet to develop and learn Vaapad.
Can you prove that the Mace Windu in TPM was as strong as Mace Windu in ROTS?
Look, Qui Gon is no where near ROTS Mace's power in terms of dueling. If we accept this, then we must also accept that he is in the same league as ROTS Sidious which is just plain illogical.
Quit pretending like Maul sucks. Taking out the Black Sun is damn impressive.
I disagree. When dealing with high tier characters like Kas'im, you have to quantify the strength of these grunts. Defeating a bunch non force sensitives who are utterly vulnerable to force attacks means very little when facing against a force user capable of blocking blasts of energy capable of reducing a temple to rubble, who mastered all forms of lightsaber dueling.
And Maul's feats are better than Kas'Im's, who has done zilch other than train with Bane and die in the end.
Being beaten by Bane doesn't put down Kas'im at all. You seem to disregard that Bane at the very least was a prodigy with the saber.
And really, feat wars means jack in this competition. Put feats into context. Maul defeated a bunch of black sun grunts. I ask, so what? How does defeating non force sensitives give him an edge in this battle?
He has one hyperbole to his name. That book has a lack or research (Like someone using Vaapad, which wasn't invented until some 1,000 years later), and the quote is exaggerated.
You're assuming there was an exagerration, care to prove it?
Also, Maul learned from Sidious so he probably has a better dark side knowledge.
Since when does learning from Sidious make him better. Prove that Sidious taught Maul everything.
As for "mastering" every form, Bane had no problem taking an advantage when he had a double bladed saber
Bane had knowledge of the entire temple. He could direct the fight any where, while Kas'im was new to the area. We see how much setting can influence a fight, especially when Anakin got his ass handed back to him by Kenobi.
Again, Maul is no Bane. Bane was a prodigy, and is close to the top as one of the greatest Sith Lords EVER. He was extremely prodigous and fast learned, as in a short period of time, he was able to conjure up ligthning that matched what the masters of the academy were doing.
In PoD he studied everything about the lightsaber FROM Kas'im. Given that he was a prodigy and consequently a fast learned, obviously aftering training with Kas'im, he is going to be good at countering his master's double bladed style.
Point is, when Kas'im unleashed his main style, Bane was being wtfpwned.
(not to mention how he was always preaching about if you practice another form, it's time away from yours, and how it's a bad thing, he probably learned from experience).
What the? What are you trying to prove? That Kas'im mastering all seven forms of lightsaber dueling is a bad thing?