White Phoenix VS HOM Scarlet Witch

This is definitely the biggest BETRAYAL of trust ever committed on KMC forums

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I forgot to mention how Xmen Forever clearly depicts how one wielding the phoenix power becomes supreme over creation. With enough power to humble LT even:

He even threw in an extra close up

You CUT OFF the Stranger to make others believe they were Bowing to Jean, freakin Phony.

The REAL SCAN:

It was this fallacy that got that rumor started. (wonder by who?)

On the Scan that never existed....

let me break it down for you.

Scan 1:

Here Eternity is explaining to Jean how the Universe works and how it has lead to US....

Already proved this many times over... the Phoenix Force in it's Natural State is the SPARK that ignites the natural Big Bang of a Universe, which recycles it (a self perpetuating process)

Phoenix is NOT the Big Bang and the scan clearly tells us the Celestials SEEDED the Universe with Creation and the Celestials were created by Eternity.

Scan 2:

Ok, here Eternity says, "like Galactus was the sole survivor...so shall Humanity Begin the End, End the Beginning."

NOTHING about Phoenix.

"Oblivion will embrace all...creation will Renew itself"...(no need for Phoenix)

"And therein lies the Stranger's conceit"...

Ok, I'm sure you see now that the Stranger WANTS to BE ABLE to do... what Humans WILL BE ABLE to do one day.

(Which is WHY they are BOWING to HIM in the scan...

because one day WE (Humans), will NOT need the Abstracts or even the Living Tribunal...

they will be as NOTHING to US (Humans).

"He plans to spark Humanity's Evolution Now...to Engulf the cosmos."

How does he PLAN to do that?....

AT one time some even thought it would be with the power of Phoenix.

But I think not.

Scan 3 & 4:

The Stranger was going to use 5 (FIVE) individuals to accomplish his "Spark in Humanity's Evolution Now... to Engulf the cosmos"

Marko, Jean, Iceman, Toad, Mystique.

More Proof it was FIVE individuals the Stranger was going to use to "Spark Humanity's Evolution Now...to Engulf the cosmos"...

NOT Phoenix...NOT PHOENIX AT ALL....Jean didn't even have the Phoenix Force during this time.

"To pluck FIVE representative Earthlings to SERVE as his Evolutionary Vanguards"

notworthy------------------>nono

Why is Wanda more powerful than Phoenix? Because she warped a reality?

Thats not as impressive as displaying control of a reality at the atomic level. If you can do that then you can restructure or determine the very substance of reality.

As Layla Miller showed Wanda just put a veil over reality. She never literally remade it, she just changed peoples perception of it. Layla Miller for example could see through this veil and awaken others to do the same thing. Wanda less remade reality and more glossed over it.

Not as impressive as being able to manipulate all that is reality at an atomic level. 🙂

Please stick to the topic. I'll move on to that once this Wanda issue has been dealt with. 🙂

Why do you keep failing to address my points instead opting to make fun of them or in some cases completely ignore them in favour of off topic nonsense. 🙂

Im waiting. 🙂

Cool so just to reiterate:

The chaos wave is just spillover over one reality into another through a dimensional tear.

It is NOT a manifestation of Wandas power. NOT something she generated or controlled.

The Chaos wave was stopped in its tracks by the insignficant Megan before being taken out of the equation by merely sealing the dimensional breach.

Cool. 🙂

Nite nite. 🙂

Originally posted by Mr Master
I'm not sure she can die, I'll admit I have no absolute proof of that though.

fair 'nuff.

Considering Phoenix could do any damage if Wanda is ready.

everything from my pov is predicated on her attacking BEFORE wanda CAN get ready.

I'll agree

cool.

Not exactly.

😖hifty:

😄

This is really an intelligent observation.

You may have something there, I have no answer for it.

what's this?? mr master speechless???
jawdrop 😆

anyhow, thanks. it does have the 'minor' drawback of being unproveable though . . . 🙁

Forget about what she was in the Past, that isn't fair since the thread starter said HOM Wanda.

yeah, fair 'nuff.

I know Phoenix can do that, but can she do that to someone on Wanda's level?
That's the $64,000 question.

this is the one area where you really haven't given anything concrete to support your end. why WOULDN'T she be able to do enough damage. regardless of your beliefs about her, she IS enormously powerful. if SHE can't do enough damage, very very few can . . .

I doubt Phoenix can change her into a normal Human.

Wanda is more powerful than Phoenix, her best bet is a knockout IF, it's possible.

at the genetic level, she remains a mutant. shut off the gene that grants her power, shut her off. seems plausible to me. 😬

And I have a totally new found respect for you, not that it was ever the opposite, but in this forum you can end up pricking a Voddo Doll with how heated debates can get. 😆 [/B]

😂

yeah, i think i still have the masters voodoo doll 'round here somewhere . . .

and i'm thinking of making a jughead6666666 doll and an extant doll . . . 🙄

Originally posted by leonidas

and i'm thinking of making a jughead6666666 doll and an extant doll . . . 🙄

Waaaaaaaay ahead of u 🙂

Great the Fanboys are mating now.

Like I said if your into arts and crafts just go out into the woods and make a big Phoenix statue and you can prey to it and imagine the PIS ways it could beat people.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Waaaaaaaay ahead of u 🙂

😆

oh, and thanks for this btw.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Its laughable to all who have been here for more than 5 mins that you would call Leonidas of all people a Phoenix fanboy. 😂

You really are clueless little boy. ✅ I guess thats why you've refrained from the debating and resorted to spamming. This heres for grown folk.

the kid's obviously got a bottle of glue stuck in his nose, so i was willing to let it pass. 😄

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The chaos wave is just spillover over one reality into another through a dimensional tear.

The Chaos Wave is just a "spillover" that CAN CRACK the Omni-verse into Chaos and even perhaps that which is BEYOND the Omni-verse

If the breach is not sealed, "the Chaos Wave will continue to expand, perhaps to the ASCENTION itself"

Even GOD, TOAA isn't safe. (Possibly)

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
It is NOT a manifestation of Wandas power. NOT something she generated or controlled.

According to Roma it Was WANDA'S DOING

"a trans-temporal Tsunami. originating from Earth 616" (where Wanda is)

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The Chaos wave was stopped in its tracks by the insignficant Megan before being taken out of the equation by merely sealing the dimensional breach.

The insignificant Meggan that had just HARNESSED the Power of the Beyond (Beyonders) and STILL only lasted a FEW SCONDS.

"I can Harness the Powers of the BEYOND"

Meggan enters the Rift, and Harnesses the Power of the Beyond fully.

"Only She can claim the Pan-Dimensional Power of the Beyond for her own"

"Knows that by her side, ALL things are possible"

"Until He sees what she's up against"

Meggan (with the Power of the Beyonders) manages to Hold the Chaos Wave for a FEW SECONDS.

Let's also discount the FACT that the COSMOS kicked into action and HEALED the Omniversal madness the Chaos Wave had created.

"the Cosmos is Healing itself before our very eyes"

Even with the Power of the BEYOND, "insignificant" Meggan didn't last.

Phoenix Fanboys

So now your just spamming the thread?

Originally posted by Ext@nt
Great the Fanboys are mating now.

Like I said if your into arts and crafts just go out into the woods and make a big Phoenix statue and you can prey to it and imagine the PIS ways it could beat people.

ahhh, is widdle extant upset because all the big boys are ignoring him? (leo reaches down, grabs a scrap and tosses it off camera but onto a road with lots of on coming traffic)

there you go, remoraz. go fetch!

😆

god bless you, extant, you are at least good for a laugh.

nite, gents. 😉

Living in a delusional state must be nice for you Fanboys.

1 The chaos wave did originate from Earth 616. Wndas reality manipulations her "GLOBAL ALTERATION" (as highlighted in that very scan) caused a dimensional tear. This sparked off a reaction. The chaos wave is just the spillover of one reality into another. It is the result of that occurring. Wanda set it off by unknowingly causing a dimensional tear when she manipulated reality. She neither generated or controlled it.

2All that talk about what the chaos wave could do is irrelevant, because it was only if it was LEFT UNCHECKED.

When it is confronted as we saw it is quite easily dealt with. Just to reiterate restating all the things the wave could do if it was ALLOWED to roam free is ridiculous. If Jubilee was allowed to roam free blowing up stuff without anybody standing in her way then eventually she could total the U.S and more. See why your arguments poor? 👇

3 It being stated that Meggan is harnessing the powers of beyond does not equate to her using the powers of the Beyonders. The Beyonders are neither mentioned or depicted therefore you have no justification for saying that. That is just a desperate attempt to make out the chaos wave to be higher in the hiererachy then it actually is 👇

It states that she can survive beyond the rift and utilise the energies there. The energies beyond reality. That does not equate to her using the powers of the Beyonders 😂 who unfortunately for your argument exist in the Negative Zone as per current continuity. They do not encompass all that is beyond. Sorry mate. 😉

4) What omiversal madness did the wave cause? The only damage the wave caused was to Otherworld. One dimemsion.

The Chaos wave doesn't seem much different than the dimension harpoon thing in The NEXT, that was going to tear down the multiverse if left unchecked - and if not for extra meddling -- was going to be handled by Superman rubbing his hands together. lol.

Originally posted by Juntai
The Chaos wave doesn't seem much different than the dimension harpoon thing in The NEXT, that was going to tear down the multiverse if left unchecked - and if not for extra meddling -- was going to be handled by Superman rubbing his hands together. lol.

Its being overrated along with many other things by an indivdual who is trying to put as many things as he can above Phoenix in the hierarchy list. 🙄

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Its being overrated along with many other things by an indivdual who is trying to put as many things as he can above Phoenix in the hierarchy list. 🙄

phoenix aka the chaos bringer
lol chaos wave vs the chaos bringer

Originally posted by xjustice69x
phoenix aka the chaos bringer
lol chaos wave vs the chaos bringer

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Your "chaos bringer" was killed by Magneto

Because she had work to do elsewhere and her presence was no longer required in reality. It was stated in the same issue that she had work to do and she wasnt going to be around much longer. Xornetos attack on New York and her "death" in the same issue were foreseen in issue 128 and Jean said she dies to be reborn.

It is canon that an avatar can render themselves beyond physical harm and Jean has shrugged off or absorbed far more potent attacks than Xornetos blast. She died for a reason, she had work to. It was within her power to not die if that was her will. Thats all that matters in a versus match. Your argument is poor. ✅