White Phoenix VS HOM Scarlet Witch

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Because she had work to do elsewhere and her presence was no longer required in reality. It was stated in the same issue that she had work to do and she wasnt going to be around much longer. Xornetos attack on New York and her "death" in the same issue were foreseen in issue 128 and Jean said she dies to be reborn.

It is canon that an avatar can render themselves beyond physical harm and Jean has shrugged off or absorbed far more potent attacks than Xornetos blast. She died for a reason, she had work to. It was within her power to not die if that was her will. Thats all that matters in a versus match. Your argument is poor. ✅

and many others with less power, when the writers need to have her out of the picture.
i just thaught it was funny that the chaos wave is up against the phoenix who is also known as the chaos bringer. seems ironic to me

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Sure everytime Jean has work elsewhere he alows her self to be killed

Jean depowered and killed herself on the moon at the end of the DP Saga

The Xorneto thing as stated was foreseen. She said she had work to do elsewhere and wasnt going to be around much longer and that she dies for a purpose.

Can you please point out to me an instance where Jean Phoenix has been killed through lack of power or ability?

Good luck with that. 😄

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Jean depowered and killed herself on the moon at the end of the DP Saga

The Xorneto thing as stated was foreseen. She said she had work to do elsewhere and wasnt going to be around much longer and that she dies for a purpose.

Can you please point out to me an instance where Jean Phoenix has been killed through lack of power or ability?

Good luck with that. 😄

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
When she got shoot by a shiar laser for instance

Did that kill her? Or did it just necessitate a reforming? 🙂

You are talking about Endsong arent you?

Anything new at all or are you just going to restate the same tired old points ive dealt with previously? 🙂

Neither the Xorneto incident or her Death at the end of the DP Saga were things she couldnt have prevented if that was her will. Therefore bringing them up as a sign of weakness in a forum debate is a poor move 👇

The first instance was self sacrifice and she depowered herself.

The second instance was for a purpose. She knew she was going to die, she had work to do and Xorneto and her death was foreseen both months before in New X-men 128 and in the same issue she was struck down.

With all that in mind you have nothing. Lets get back to some sensible debating k? 😱

Exlies #3, she loses her humanity and isn't holding back and Wolverine kills her. Marvel holds it as canon.

In ultraverse, the Phoenix force is wounded by a blast from an alien vessel.

Twice in Phoenix Endsong.

And GalacticFanboy they bring up the same poitns over and over hoping this time your mind will peirce the veil of fanboyism and finally understand.

Originally posted by Ext@nt
Exlies #3, she loses her humanity and isn't holding back and Wolverine kills her. Marvel holds it as canon.

How is that canon when thats a Jean Phoenix from another reality? Poor Exy do you know what canon means? 🙁

Originally posted by Ext@nt
In ultraverse, the Phoenix force is wounded by a blast from an alien vessel.

And your point is? We're talking about getting killed here. Being wounded is nothing. Galactus, Eternity and LT have been wounded. Be objective dear boy. 🙂

Originally posted by Ext@nt
Twice in Phoenix Endsong.

Twice what? Was never destroyed or killed in Endsong so what are you talking about?

Do you not realise that we're actually talking about getting killed? 🙄

Originally posted by Ext@nt
And GalacticFanboy they bring up the same poitns over and over hoping this time your mind will peirce the veil of fanboyism and finally understand.

They bring up the same points because they have nothing else to come at me with so they hope i'll tire and give up from dealing with the same wasffle time and time again. It aint happening.

We know it isn't happening, thats what being a Phoenix Fanboy is, you ignore logic and reason due to your devotion to the bird,

I ment you simpleton, that they wounded the force itself.

and the fact remians Wanda has the power to destory the Omniverse and that includes the Phoenix. Xavier couldn't even come close to controlling Wanda, so the Phoenix has no hope.

And the Exiles issue are held as canon becuse they have 616 characters in it.

Originally posted by Ext@nt
And the Exiles issue are held as canon becuse they have 616 characters in it.

Yes but their adventures occur in alternate realities and they face characters who are NOT canon for 616. The Jean Phoenix of Exiles #3 for example 😄

Good try. Not good enough 👇

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Yes but their adventures occur in alternate realities and they face characters who are NOT canon for 616. The Jean Phoenix of Exiles #3 for example 😄

Good try. Not good enough 👇

Prove Exiles Phoenix is weaker than 616 Phoenix.

Bad Try. Not Good Enough, 👇

Originally posted by Ext@nt
We know it isn't happening, thats what being a Phoenix Fanboy is, you ignore logic and reason due to your devotion to the bird,

I ment you simpleton, that they wounded the force itself.

and the fact remians Wanda has the power to destory the Omniverse and that includes the Phoenix. Xavier couldn't even come close to controlling Wanda, so the Phoenix has no hope.

Jubilee has the power to destroy all of the U.S, the entire planet even. That is if all the superheroes and governments of the planet just sit idly by and allow her to go on a rampage while they play spectators. 🙄

The wave COULD have done all of that damage. However it was a threat that was easily stopped, therefore in a versus match that is all that counts. Is Phoenix gonna sit and watch while the chaos wave goes on a rampage or is she gonna take it out of the equation like a bunch of mutants did on panel? 😄

Originally posted by Sub_Mariner
Prove Exiles Phoenix is weaker than 616 Phoenix.

Bad Try. Not Good Enough, 👇

Actually, In exiles it was stated that phoenix was stronger since she had no humnaity left.

Originally posted by Sub_Mariner
Prove Exiles Phoenix is weaker than 616 Phoenix.

Bad Try. Not Good Enough, 👇

I dont know if you meant to argue on my side or not but you just have.

Thats precisely my point. Its an alternate Phoenix whose abilities we know nothing about, whose abilities arent necessarily the same as 616 Jean, therefore her being easily dispatched says nothing about how 616 Jean would fare.

Thanks for the help 😉

Originally posted by Ext@nt
Actually, In exiles it was stated that phoenix was stronger since she had no humnaity left.

Prove it. 😄

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I dont know if you meant to argue on my side or not but you just have.

Thats precisely my point. Its an alternate Phoenix whose abilities we know nothing about, whose abilities arent necessarily the same as 616 Jean, therefore her being easily dispatched says nothing about how 616 Jean would fare.

Thanks for the help 😉

Yes, but for all we know she may be stronger. 😱

In exiles they spell out her powers and ablities. And shes considered more powerful since she wasn't holding back.

Originally posted by Sub_Mariner
Yes, but for all we know she may be stronger. 😱

We'll never know because we have no feats for her. All we can go by is how 616 Jean Phoenix performs on panel. A Jean from another universe just isnt canon so lets move on now shall we? 😄