White Phoenix VS HOM Scarlet Witch

Originally posted by Mr Master
Who's to say Jean has the power to do that Wanda though.

Remember, Phoenix doesn't even come close to Wanda in the Power department.

So Immortal or not, I doubt she can even be affected by Phoenix.

there is no real evidence, but is it illogical to conclude that if hawkeye can almost fatally wound her, that a being on the order of potwc can do . . . substantially more? while she has a moment to think, wanda seems capable of almost anything. without a chance to think or defend or activate her powers, why/how do you suppose she could survive?

jean has exhibited molecular level control with her powers on a cosmic scale. given what clint could do, it seems more than reasonable to think jean could do worse and if she has no brain or power, it seems reasonable to think wanda couldn't do anything.

aside from the arrow, did she survive any other undefended/surprise attacks upon her?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Your really are Out of the Loop aren't you.

Wanda even gave OTHERS, the power to Erase and Recreate the Universe.

Wanda accelarated Genis-Vell's Power to it's Full potential and Beyond.

Genis begins Blinking The Universe IN and OUT of existence

"For one second, EVERYTHING Collapsed, and Expanded, like an Accordian"

"Private Vell has become a Spacial Conduit"

"We must find him soon, OR...

"OR this entire Universe might Disappear in the Blink of an Eye"

Genis blinks the Universe In and Out once more

Finally Genis allows himself to be shut down by using a "Bioagent" that Slows Down his Metabolic rate to the point of Catatonia.

Even INSANE Genis-Vell was UNABLE to BLINK the Universe IN and OUT of Existence.

INSANE Vell destroyed Eternity, and helped Entropy Recreate it.

GO READ COMICS

Where is it stated that Wanda boosted Genis Vell. I never came to that conclusion by reading the comic. The point isnt stated anywhere or even depicted.

Genis was doing that outside of the HOM reality as well so down with your argument 👇

Xavier couldnt control Wanda's mind, he's a more powerful TP then Jean and I think having your heart peirced straight through and surviving is enough to show that a fatal wound can't do squat against her.

Sorry Fanboys, not winning this one.

Originally posted by Ext@nt
Xavier couldnt control Wanda's mind, he's a more powerful TP then Jean and I think having your heart peirced straight through and surviving is enough to show that a fatal wound can't do squat against her.

Sorry Fanboys, not winning this one.

Xavier is more powerful than Jean when she isnt manifesting the Phoenix. This debate is about the Phoenix 👇

Xavier was trying to restrain Wanda he couldnt do that. Killing her with alethal psi blast is something totally different 👇

xavier is more powerful than the white crown phoenix, eh?

hysterical

well, one thing at least HAS been finally and conclusively proven: extant my friend, you don't know jack sh!t about, well . . . anything. but thanks for posting that because now people can OFFICIALLY place you on ignore and be safe in the knowledge that they are better for it.

stick to cheerleading rather than 'debating'.

as big a phoenix fanboy as you think everyone is, you are at LEAST that big a fanboy of masters.

long live the mr masters fanboy!!

(no offense to you intended, masters 🙂 )

Now your twisitng things.

No Xavier is the most powerful telepath as stated in MANY MANY MANY x-men comics. Phoenix has has trouble getting into the minds of people before. Shadow King has fought her off before. And Xavier's beaten him.

If Xavier can't do the job Phoenix can't ethier.

Originally posted by leonidas
there is no real evidence, but is it illogical to conclude that if hawkeye can almost fatally wound her, that a being on the order of potwc can do . . . substantially more?

But Hawkeye didn't fatally wound her, not even close.

This is being fatally wounded:

Xorn, KILLING Jean Grey the WPOTC with an Electromagnetic Pulse

See her dying away slowly.

Wanda fell on her face for ONE Panel, and the NEXT Panel, she's sitting Upright like if nothing ever happened.

Originally posted by leonidas
without a chance to think or defend or activate her powers, why/how do you suppose she could survive?

If she can reconstruct her inner organs (like her Heart after being Shot) in ONE Panel, why not any other part of her body.

Why didn't Dr Strange even try to fry her brain like he did in the Avengers issue, when his friends are DYING right outside courtesy of Wanda?

I think he must of known it was useless.

I mean she kills a few Avengers and He pulverizes her Brain, now she's causing Universal upheaval, plus is Erasing who ever she wishes from existence and he does Nothing.

Originally posted by leonidas
jean has exhibited molecular level control with her powers on a cosmic scale.

Wanda's power is not molecular in level, what she thinks, IS and that's that.
Sort of like Pre-Retcon Beyonder.

Originally posted by leonidas
given what clint could do, it seems more than reasonable to think jean could do worse and if she has no brain or power, it seems reasonable to think wanda couldn't do anything.

Supposedly what she can do.

There's no evidence of Wanda being vulnerable during HOM, even the Hawkeye incident didn't prove that.

When he shot the second Arrow, she was aware and it didn't even reach her.

Hawkeye shot another arrow, almost immediately after the first

THIS time...

Originally posted by leonidas
aside from the arrow, did she survive any other undefended/surprise attacks upon her?

Nah, Haweye was the only one crazy enough to try.

Look, the Dr Strange stand by says alot.

Me read comics? Allow me to direct you to issue 100 of Thunderbolts where Genis was a threat to the very fabric of reality:

Evidence of Genis having universal destroying power outside of HOM

= The annihilation of Mr Masters Wanda theories 🙁

Originally posted by leonidas
(no offense to you intended, masters)

Ok,

but I would appreciate it, if my name stays out of yall's War.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Me read comics? Allow me to direct you to issue 100 of Thunderbolts where Genis was a threat to the very fabric of reality:

Evidence of Genis having universal destroying power outside of HOM

= The annihilation of Mr Masters Wanda theories

Actually this reminds me of the fallacy you played on Lord S.

We all know your tricks, like when you cut half the Scan of Jean standing with LT and the rest supposedly bowing to Jean.

Yea, we know you well.

In NONE of those Scans does Genis-vell BLINK the Universe In and Out of Existence.

But nice try you Phony.

GO READ COMICS

Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually this reminds me of the fallacy you played on Lord S.

We all know your tricks, like when you cut half the Scan of Jean standing with LT and the rest supposedly bowing to Jean.

Yea, we know you well.

In NONE of those Scans does Genis-vell BLINK the Universe In and Out of Existence.

But nice try you Phony.

GO READ COMICS

What fallacy? I wont get into that issue here because after this Wanda farce has been dealt with believe me that will be addressed.

As depicted via Zemos windows into the future Genis' power brings about Entropy in every possibility.

Your Wanda theories have been flushed 👇

Originally posted by Mr Master
But Hawkeye didn't fatally wound her, not even close.

This is being fatally wounded

that is sort of my point, bro. it wasn't fatal, but it did put her down for a moment. it just didn't kill her quickly enough -- not so quick that she couldn't formalize a thought and . . . wish the effects of the attack away. what if it HAD been instantaneous death?

If she can reconstruct her inner organs (like her Heart after being Shot) in ONE Panel, why not any other part of her body.

onyl if she has the time to do so.

Why didn't Dr Strange even try to fry her brain like he did in the Avengers issue, when his friends are DYING right outside courtesy of Wanda?

this is interesting. it seems to me though that hawkeye only had a chance at ALL because her defenses were down. when she was 'ready' for him, his arrow never had a chance to touch her let alone kill her. did strange ever have an opportunity to get surprise on her? another thought i had -- let's say for instance that you ARE correct, and that she IS 'immortal' in this 'new reality' she created. in the 'regular-non-warped' universe however she is NOT immortal. could it be that it was the universe that SHE created that GRANTED her her supposed immortality?

if that is the case (and again it seems reasonable because she has never before shown an ability to be immortal -- far from it, in the past she was VERY vulnerable) then it stands to reason that she would need to recreate a reality wherein she WAS immortal. if jean attacks BEFORE wanda has a chance to create that universe, she would NOT be immortal and jean would kill her before she had a chance to become so.

speculatory? 😆

of course, but very little here seems conclusively proveable. 🙂

Wanda's power is not molecular in level, what she thinks, IS and that's that.

once again, if her mutant gene is shut off, how does she activate her power?

strange's standing by is understandable to me. if she recreated the universe, stands to reason she would set the rules. she would be supreme. perhaps she WAS immortal and unkillable, as i said, but if phoenix wipes her out or changes her into a normal human BEFORE wanda has a chance to shape a universe where she IS immortal, well . . . she dies in regular 616 just like anyone else

this is fun. 😄

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
What fallacy? I wont get into that issue here because after this Wanda farce has been dealt with believe me that will be addressed. As depicted via Zemos windows into the future Genis' power brings about Entropy in every possibility.

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Originally posted by Mr Master
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Once again you cant counter, youre beaten on a point therefore you dismiss it. 🙂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Once again you cant counter, youre beaten on a point therefore you dismiss it. 🙂

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
😬 I think he i just getting tired of reading your crap for hours

Nope. Hes been defeated on a point so he has resorted to recruiting his cronies to spam the thread and distract from that point. 🙂

Originally posted by leonidas
that is sort of my point, bro. it wasn't fatal, but it did put her down for a moment. it just didn't kill her quickly enough -- not so quick that she couldn't formalize a thought and . . . wish the effects of the attack away. what if it HAD been instantaneous death?

onyl if she has the time to do so.

this is interesting. it seems to me though that hawkeye only had a chance at ALL because her defenses were down. when she was 'ready' for him, his arrow never had a chance to touch her let alone kill her. did strange ever have an opportunity to get surprise on her? another thought i had -- let's say for instance that you ARE correct, and that she IS 'immortal' in this 'new reality' she created. in the 'regular-non-warped' universe however she is NOT immortal. could it be that it was the universe that SHE created that GRANTED her her supposed immortality?

if that is the case (and again it seems reasonable because she has never before shown an ability to be immortal -- far from it, in the past she was VERY vulnerable) then it stands to reason that she would need to recreate a reality wherein she WAS immortal. if jean attacks BEFORE wanda has a chance to create that universe, she would NOT be immortal and jean would kill her before she had a chance to become so.

speculatory? 😆

of course, but very little here seems conclusively proveable. 🙂

once again, if her mutant gene is shut off, how does she activate her power?

strange's standing by is understandable to me. if she recreated the universe, stands to reason she would set the rules. she would be supreme. perhaps she WAS immortal and unkillable, as i said, but if phoenix wipes her out or changes her into a normal human BEFORE wanda has a chance to shape a universe where she IS immortal, well . . . she dies in regular 616 just like anyone else

this is fun. 😄

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
not another Phoenix fanboy please!!!!!!

Its laughable to all who have been here for more than 5 mins that you would call Leonidas of all people a Phoenix fanboy. 😂

You really are clueless little boy. ✅ I guess thats why you've refrained from the debating and resorted to spamming. This heres for grown folk. I just wish someone would inform MrM 🙁

Originally posted by leonidas
that is sort of my point, bro. it wasn't fatal, but it did put her down for a moment. it just didn't kill her quickly enough -- not so quick that she couldn't formalize a thought and . . . wish the effects of the attack away. what if it HAD been instantaneous death?

I'm not sure she can die, I'll admit I have no absolute proof of that though.

Originally posted by leonidas
onyl if she has the time to do so.

Considering Phoenix could do any damage if Wanda is ready.

Originally posted by leonidas
this is interesting. it seems to me though that hawkeye only had a chance at ALL because her defenses were down. when she was 'ready' for him, his arrow never had a chance to touch her let alone kill her.

I'll agree

Originally posted by leonidas
did strange ever have an opportunity to get surprise on her?

Not exactly.

Originally posted by leonidas
another thought i had -- let's say for instance that you ARE correct, and that she IS 'immortal' in this 'new reality' she created. in the 'regular-non-warped' universe however she is NOT immortal. could it be that it was the universe that SHE created that GRANTED her her supposed immortality?

This is really an intelligent observation.

You may have something there, I have no answer for it.

Originally posted by leonidas
if that is the case (and again it seems reasonable because she has never before shown an ability to be immortal -- far from it, in the past she was VERY vulnerable)

Forget about what she was in the Past, that isn't fair since the thread starter said HOM Wanda.

Originally posted by leonidas
then it stands to reason that she would need to recreate a reality wherein she WAS immortal. if jean attacks BEFORE wanda has a chance to create that universe, she would NOT be immortal and jean would kill her before she had a chance to become so.

Again, it's a well thought out possibility, but it would only work if your wise theory were true, but we simply can't confirm that right now.

Originally posted by leonidas
speculatory?

of course, but very little here seems conclusively proveable.

I hear you man.

Part of my argument is speculative aswell.

Originally posted by leonidas
once again, if her mutant gene is shut off, how does she activate her power?

I know Phoenix can do that, but can she do that to someone on Wanda's level?
That's the $64,000 question.

Originally posted by leonidas
strange's standing by is understandable to me. if she recreated the universe, stands to reason she would set the rules. she would be supreme. perhaps she WAS immortal and unkillable, as i said,

Like I said, tthis is a very good point, but it isn't conclusive.

Originally posted by leonidas
but if phoenix wipes her out or changes her into a normal human BEFORE wanda has a chance to shape a universe where she IS immortal, well . . . she dies in regular 616 just like anyone else

I doubt Phoenix can change her into a normal Human.

Wanda is more powerful than Phoenix, her best bet is a knockout IF, it's possible.

Originally posted by leonidas
this is fun. 😄

And I have a totally new found respect for you, not that it was ever the opposite, but in this forum you can end up pricking a Voddo Doll with how heated debates can get. 😆

You been BUSTED GS, go back home.