Beyonder shatters the Molecule Man's protective Dome like a joke...it was stronger than the Multiverse combined.
Beyonder causes destruction across the Entire Multiverse.
The incredible Molecule Man repairs the Multiverse with one finger while calming the Beyonder down(my next respect thread will be on him.)
Finally the Watcher had to beg the Molecule Man to stop the Beyonder.
They do WAR....the Two most powerful beings in the Multiverse.
"You HAD a CHANCE, and it's Unbelievable that you DID"
Beyonder let's out a blast that reaches the ends of the Multiverse.
Again the Molecule Man does the impossible...not only does he shield all the heroes that were at the scene while battling the Beyonder...but he also removed EVERY living thing that was in the blasts path across the Multiverse...and placed them somewhere in sub-space.
The incredible ending...everything Beyonder did...he did it while imposing limitations on himself.
Originally posted by King Kandy
MM, I have to disagree with ONE, and only one, of your claims.This claim has to do with the structure of the Omniverse.
You say that the Omniverse is made of an infinitly large number of infinitly large multiverses, each of which has an infinite number of universes, which are also infinitly large.
Yeah, right.
Since we've seen a Multiverse from the outside, and it is clearly finite, this simply cannot be true.
This is just speculation on my part I'll admit, but it seems to me that the balls are simply how a non abstract mind would view a multiverse from the outside. Anytime someones mind bears witness to something that it is unable to comprehend, it reduces it to something that it can handle. The same way that Galactus is view differently by every race in the universe(because each race's mind is different in what they are able to process successfully). If someone else had been view the structure of the omniverse, they may have perceived it completely differently. But that's just my theory, I'm not pretending that it's ever actually been stated.
Originally posted by darthgoober
I know it's a bit confusing But you have to remember, those balls are being viewed from OUTSIDE of the concept of space. The size of them is therefor irrelevant, because size is simply an aspect of space.This is just speculation on my part I'll admit, but it seems to me that the balls are simply how a non abstract mind would view a multiverse from the outside. Anytime someones mind bears witness to something that it is unable to comprehend, it reduces it to something that it can handle. The same way that Galactus is view differently by every race in the universe(because each race's mind is different in what they are able to process successfully). If someone else had been view the structure of the omniverse, they may have perceived it completely differently. But that's just my theory, I'm not pretending that it's ever actually been stated.
Actually, I like the way you described that darth,
articulate and full of sense friend.
Originally posted by darthgoober
I know it's a bit confusing But you have to remember, those balls are being viewed from OUTSIDE of the concept of space. The size of them is therefor irrelevant, because size is simply an aspect of space.This is just speculation on my part I'll admit, but it seems to me that the balls are simply how a non abstract mind would view a multiverse from the outside. Anytime someones mind bears witness to something that it is unable to comprehend, it reduces it to something that it can handle. The same way that Galactus is view differently by every race in the universe(because each race's mind is different in what they are able to process successfully). If someone else had been view the structure of the omniverse, they may have perceived it completely differently. But that's just my theory, I'm not pretending that it's ever actually been stated.
those balls are unequivically universes. now that i've reviewed the whole situation, the only proof of marvel being more than a multiverse is that one LT quote, which goes against just about every other LT quote (every other instance states multiverse singular.)
besides that, we have the never-explained term "omniverse" and that the beyonder came from "beyond", which has been retconned anyway.
Originally posted by manorastroman
those balls are unequivically universes. now that i've reviewed the whole situation, the only proof of marvel being more than a multiverse is that one LT quote, which goes against just about every other LT quote (every other instance states multiverse singular.)besides that, we have the never-explained term "omniverse" and that the beyonder came from "beyond", which has been retconned anyway.
As you wish.
Originally posted by manorastroman
those balls are unequivically universes. now that i've reviewed the whole situation, the only proof of marvel being more than a multiverse is that one LT quote, which goes against just about every other LT quote (every other instance states multiverse singular.)besides that, we have the never-explained term "omniverse" and that the beyonder came from "beyond", which has been retconned anyway.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Ok, now where exactly has it been stated that LT is confined to a single multiverse? Someone saying that he looks over THE multiverse, doesn't prove that there's only one.
where exactly has it been stated, that single oddity LT scan aside, that there is more than one multiverse? and that's sort of what "the" means. if they had said "a" or "this", different story.
Originally posted by manorastroman
where exactly has it been stated, that single oddity LT scan aside, that there is more than one multiverse? and that's sort of what "the" means. if they had said "a" or "this", different story.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Look, LT does watch over THE multiverse, but it's never really an issue to bring up whether or not that's the limit of his power, because very few beings would be concerned with multiverses outside of their own. The scan with LT is fairly unique, because it depicts the education of a cosmic level entity. If you can come up with an example of ANOTHER cosmic level entity's education in which LT's role is stated(or even hinted) as being confined to a single multiverse, then there'll be a contradiction. Until then, no such contradiction exist. And unless there is something to ACTUALLY condradict the LT scan, it remains the only real evidence on the subject.
what the crap are you talking about? i asked for proof that there even WAS anything beyond the multiverse. and if LT watches over THE multiverse, than why would there be anything else to watch over? that's what i'm saying, that LT watches over THE multiverse...which is all. cosmic education? what?
and many scans contradict that specific LT scan, namely all of the other LT scans in which "multiverse" is singular.
Originally posted by manorastroman
what the crap are you talking about? i asked for proof that there even WAS anything beyond the multiverse. and if LT watches over THE multiverse, than why would there be anything else to watch over? that's what i'm saying, that LT watches over THE multiverse...which is all. cosmic education? what?and many scans contradict that specific LT scan, namely all of the other LT scans in which "multiverse" is singular.
And the multiverse being referred to in singular, ISN'T proof that there's only one. Only that there's one being talked about. So there's one piece of evidence that states that there's more than one multiverse in Marvel, and zero that states that there's ONLY one.
i suppose it's an impasse then. i can't provide a quote baldly stating that there's only one multiverse, and you can't provide one baldly stating that there's more than one. except that LT scan, which, considering that it is anomolous in regards to LT's jurisdiction, could also be considered anomolous in it's statement of multiple multiverses.
i just prefer to keep it simple; no need to conceive multiple multiverses. hell, that's a point: why would their possibly need to be multiple multiverses? multiverses are infinitely disparate dimensions, so what would multiple multiverses accomplish? it just doesn't make sense.
Multi-verses OUTSIDE the Prime Marvel Multi-verse:
Just to name a few:
The Doctor Who series takes place in the Gallifreyan Multi-verse, Dr Who is from Earth 8162, in a Universe OUTSIDE the 616 Multi-verse
The New Universe is part of another Multi-verse
The Star Trek Universe is part of another Multi-verse
Star Wars Universe is part of another Multi-verse
The Ultraverse is part of another Multi-verse
The Beyond Realm, PRE and POST, was in it's own Space but Outside the Multi-verse
Originally posted by Mr Master
Multi-verses OUTSIDE the Prime Marvel Multi-verse:Just to name a few:
The Doctor Who series takes place in the Gallifreyan Multi-verse, Dr Who is from Earth 8162, in a Universe OUTSIDE the 616 Multi-verse
The New Universe is part of another Multi-verse
The Star Trek Universe is part of another Multi-verse
Star Wars Universe is part of another Multi-verse
The Ultraverse is part of another Multi-verse
The Beyond Realm, PRE and POST, was in it's own Space but Outside the Multi-verse
star trek, star wars, and doctor who are all inellectual property outside of marvel, regardless of who publishes their books. what makes you say the new universe is part of another multiverse? and i though the only evidence towards ultraverse being outside the multiverse was that LT's judgment failed their, which is kinda flimsy. wasn't nemesis retconned anyway?
i still don't see any reason for multiple multiverses to exist. multiverses are infinite in scope; why would it be necessary for the ultraverse to be another multiverse when a multiverse is countless dimensions/alterations of our universe?
manorastroman
Don't worry. You are correct.
No matter what else you have read, you DO have a firm grasp on the matter, and you are correct in what you have stated.
Even though there are Multiple Multiverses, for now you don't need to concern yourself with them.
Marvel writers, Marvel stories and Marvel Panels back you up.
So, stick to your guns, and don't let anybody make you feel bad about it.
There is an Omniverse that includes an Infinite Number of Multiverses.
The storylines that occur in Marvel titles are happening in a Marvel-based Multiverse.
Outside of the Marvel-based Multiverse, exists DC, Comico, etc.
This is the way it was laid out by Mark Greunwald, and this is what the writers for both companies, barring a few exceptions, adhered to in their mythos.
As a matter of fact, their are tons of cases of the writers COMPLAINING about it, because they thought it was too restricting. But, they did it anyway.
Let's take this back to my Thread. The Omniverse. People are totally welcome to their opinions, and we don't need to bother Mr. Master's Thread, if our views are not welcome. We will respect him, as we want to be respected.
I invite you to proceed with the discussion, back to my thread, (The Omniverse). Please, to anybody that would like to communicate about this subject without fear of redicule, feel free to visit my thread.
Thanks.
Originally posted by manorastroman
star trek, star wars, and doctor who are all inellectual property outside of marvel, regardless of who publishes their books.
So basically you want to ignore the fact that they are part of Marvel and they are part of a separate Multi-verse.
"regradless of who publishes their books"
Sounds a bit like a "don't wanna hear it or see it" type of attitude.
Originally posted by manorastroman
what makes you say the new universe is part of another multiverse?
Because it is, it was the first Universe created OUTSIDE the Prime Marvel Multi-verse back in Nov. 1986'...
We later understood that it is a part of another Multi-verse like ALL Universes are part of a Multi-verse.
Originally posted by manorastroman
and i though the only evidence towards ultraverse being outside the multiverse was that LT's judgment failed their, which is kinda flimsy. wasn't nemesis retconned anyway?
I have other On Panel accounts that prove that the Ultraverse is OUTSIDE the Prime Marvel Multi-verse.
Including an appearance by LT.
In any case, why are you so bent on disproving the insurmountable amount of evidence to the contrary of what your saying?
What happened to "if you would of showed me the LT scan before, I would have shut up from the start"
Originally posted by manorastroman
i still don't see any reason for multiple multiverses to exist. multiverses are infinite in scope; why would it be necessary for the ultraverse to be another multiverse when a multiverse is countless dimensions/alterations of our universe?
Then it's not a matter of proof with you, you just don't want to except the fact.
In that case, let's drop this circle dance we're in, this is the kind of intransigence that frustrates anyone.
And that's not an insult btw
Intransigence: (unwilling or refusing to change one's views or to agree about something)
This is what your displaying.
Originally posted by Horrificus
Please, to anybody that would like to communicate about this subject without fear of redicule, feel free to visit my thread.
I suppose you think we don't all see through this condescending statement.
I thought you were told not come here, or stay out of my hair?
Well if not, please stay out of here, honestly with all due respect, your not welcomed here because of this very same cloaked spite.
Now go run to the Mods again and tell them I said that.
