Originally posted by King Kandy
You're correct!I never said you weren't!
But I'd prefer you didn't have to post tons of scans any time anyone asks, and could just post one instead.
heyyy... i love those scans, and i like them complete mind you. 😛 besides it saves the trouble of looking up previous posts or better yet having to look up other threads just to see the on panel proofs. 😉
Originally posted by manjaro
its called writers being frustrated that Beyonder and molecule man were too powerful, so they retconned the whole deal into an illusion, and the other cosmics just "playing along" to soothe the beyonder's ego
Beyonder has been retconned yet again apparently.
2nd Post retcon Beyonder erased Death from the Multiverse and it's canon.
Death is ERASED across The Entire Multiverse
He also created his own Universe, though not as powerful as the 616 Universe:
"you are deemed worthy to retain your omnipotent position within your own Universe"
"I can create billions of variant life-forms with but a thought"
He became essential to the Multiverse:
"to rend the Life Force of such a being as the Beyonder"
"Havoc unthinkable would be wrecked across Multiversal Cosmography"
Right now the Beyonder's essence is alive and trapped within the form of the Maker.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Hey Mr. M, Do you have some scans of LT feats?
a taste of the respect thread soon to be available:
Ok,
This is how the Omniverse is described according to the OHOTMU v5 (2006)
Read the whole thing if you wish, but I just want to point out one part of it that corresponds to this thread.
"the REALMS with a Multiverse"
"Within the Omniverse, collections of associated REALMS from different Multiverses are referred to as Megaverses"
So a Megaverse is a collection of Multi-verses.
Ok,
Now we have the Living Tribunal On Panel holding the embodiments of TWO Megaverses in his hand like the toys of a child.
"he sits at the CENTER of ALL things, feeling the flow of countless Realities, thier FATE irrevocably determined through the judgment rendered by HIS Three Faces"
"Two SIBLINGS whom the Tribunal has a place for in his great scheme of things"
"the Pulse of Creation reverberates through him, for he is its Heart, ALPHA & OMEGA revolve on the Wheel of Destiny, a Destiny SPUN by HIS mighty Hand"
"A Hand soon opening to allow TWO Brothers to assume their pre-destined Roles as Architects of New Realities ... and ONLY this Judge knows why"
And it's ALL CANON, according to the OHOTMU v5 (2006)
"the Living Tribunal also helped fashion the twin Entities the BROTHERS, each of whom became the guardian of a different Megaverse, within the larger Omniverse but encompassing MORE than a single Multiverse"
You know you love this KK. (our LT is in effect)
Originally posted by King Kandy
Also, where does Nebular fit on the hierarchy? He stalemated the Living Tribunal.
I researched that incident, it was Nebulos.
He didn't stalemate LT either, he knew he was going to lose after the first blow.
He was amazed by LT.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Wait, you rank Oblivion and Atleza as equals?In order to reach a Multi-versal stalemate of energies, an INNFIITE amount of anchirs were required...
I don't think so K, I think it's every Reality for its own.
Which imo suggest evey Reality has an equal opposition force (Anchors) to stabalize their respective Multiverses or Universes (whatever one believes)
When Warlcok travelled within the Cosmic Vortex, the Realities were separated as you know into individual Balls, the only reason Warlock's Reality was nearing the Oblivion, was because Atlez the prior Anchor was dying.
So if anything that Reality Atlez was Anchoring would have been swallowed alone, as Warlock discovered only his "ALL" was close to the bottomless Void that is Oblivion:
Originally posted by Mr MasterI just want to comment that this scan came after "The Brothers" were retconned.
"he sits at the CENTER of ALL things, feeling the flow of countless Realities, thier FATE irrevocably determined through the judgment rendered by HIS Three Faces"
"Two SIBLINGS whom the Tribunal has a place for in his great scheme of things"
Originally posted by Galan007
I just want to comment that this scan came after "The Brothers" were retconned.
They were retconned into TWO Megaverses:
excerpt from LT bio in the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe v5 (2006)
"the Living Tribunal also helped fashion the twin Entities the BROTHERS, each of whom became the guardian of a different Megaverse, within the larger Omniverse but encompassing MORE than a single Multiverse"
And a Megaverse, is a collection of Multiverses according to the same bio:
"the REALMS with a Multiverse"
"Within the Omniverse, collections of associated REALMS from different Multiverses are referred to as Megaverses"
So the Living Tribunal has officially On Panel held the embodiments of TWO Megaverses in his hand, which he manipulated for whatever purpose.
and only One Megaverse is a collection of Multiverses, so imagine Two.
Originally posted by Mr MasterThat's a very impressive feat on LT's part, but I just wanted to put it out there that LT only supposedly set up the incident with the Brothers, after they were retconned.
They were retconned into TWO Megaverses:excerpt from LT bio in the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe v5 (2006)
"the Living Tribunal also helped fashion the twin Entities the BROTHERS, each of whom became the guardian of a different Megaverse, within the larger Omniverse but encompassing MORE than a single Multiverse"And a Megaverse, is a collection of Multiverses according to the same bio:
"the REALMS with a Multiverse"
"Within the Omniverse, collections of associated REALMS from different Multiverses are referred to as Megaverses"So the Living Tribunal has officially On Panel held the embodiments of TWO Megaverses in his hand, which he manipulated for whatever purpose.
and only One Megaverse is a collection of Multiverses, so imagine Two.
Before their retcon, The Brothers were Supreme throughout all of their respective domains (Marvel & DC).
After their retcon, LT and Spectre supposedly set it all up.
Originally posted by Galan007
That's a very impressive feat on LT's part, but I just wanted to put it out there that LT only supposedly set up the incident with the Brothers, after they were retconned.
I wouldn't say supposedly, I would say surely, I mean it was depicted artistically on panel accompanied by statements.
That's not only a bio retcon that's aan on panel retcon aswell.
Originally posted by Galan007
Before their retcon, The Brothers were Supreme throughout all of their respective domains (Marvel & DC).
I understand that friend, I read your first post already and I knew that from before.
What I didn't know was that they were retconned into Two Megaverses.
And the Living Tribunal held them in his hand, and he also "Fashioned" them.
"the Pulse of Creation reverberates through him, for he is its Heart, ALPHA & OMEGA revolve on the Wheel of Destiny, a Destiny SPUN by HIS mighty Hand"
SO now in VS threads involving LT, we can say officially,
LT manipulated Two Megeverses, and each Megaverse is a collection of Multiverses.
Originally posted by Galan007
After their retcon, LT and Spectre supposedly set it all up.
Spectre isn't shown or mentioned in the retcon, and since these Megaverses now reside within the Marvel Omniverse only, LT did this alone.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Mr. M, , weren't you the one who was crusading against the use of handbooks?
I began loosening my resentment of bios, so long as it happened On Panel.
If it happened in a bio, but not on panel it's unexceptable.
If it's mentioned in the bio but it contradicts what happened on panel, like this garbage:
Claims that Phoenix IS the Big Bang, 😆
(From the Official Marvel Universe Handbook 2005)
"The Phoenix Force is a CHILD of the Universe. the Force was SUBSEQUENTLY REBORN from the cosmic fires of the Big Bang"
For those who don't know what "Subsequent" means:
"coming after something in time; following"
NO MORE Phoenix is the "Big Bang" garbage please.
BUT,
Some will say, if I'm going to consider what this Official bio states, then I have to accept, "in the previous Universe, the Force saved existence from damnation, enabling Eternity to preserve Galan" (because it's in the bio)
I'll only except what's On Panel,
But in cases like,
Phoenix having something to do with Galactus's Origin in a bio, this has NEVER been depicted On Panel. (and Big G's Origin has been illustrated THREE times On Panel)
Phoenix being BORN FROM the Big Bang, this was artistically presented On Panel.
NOT as the Big Bang....From the Big Bang, like ALL other Abstracts.
"This is HOW I came into BEING"
SO I'll only put my stamp of approval on a BIO that corresponds to the On Panel evidence, it's not the first time "official handbooks" make errors or have included information that never took place in Comics:
Ultimate Nullifier bio
(From the Official Marvel Universe Handbook 2006)
"Magus had captured Adam Warlock and Six Infinity Gems"
"Quasar aimed the weapon at Magus, but Magus obtained the SIX Infinity Gems together as the Infinity Gauntlet, he used the that power to turn the UN back on Quasar"
We know this ISN'T true, Magus had 5 Infinity Gems (Incomplete Gauntlet)
Check this other nonsense:
(From the Official Marvel Universe Handbook 2006)
"Abraxas sought the Ultimate Nullifier to ASSIST him in destroying Galactuses through out the Multi-verse"
That's also not true, all the Galactuses Abraxas killed, were murdered way before he got his hands on the UN.
In fact, Abraxas was never even going to activate the UN.
You know, I looked through the "Cosmic Vortex" stuff, and I think that you might be wrong in thinking that the big black hole is the "Ultimate Incarnation" of Oblivion...
It seems Warlock is using Oblivion as a description of the hole, rather then saying the hole is the same as the enitity oblivion...
Originally posted by King Kandy
You know, I looked through the "Cosmic Vortex" stuff, and I think that you might be wrong in thinking that the big black hole is the "Ultimate Incarnation" of Oblivion...It seems Warlock is using Oblivion as a description of the hole, rather then saying the hole is the same as the enitity oblivion...
The hole is part of Oblivion because it is a Black Hole, and it leads you right into Oblivion's Realm. (a Void of Nothingness)
A Black Hole is an invisible force (or tear in Time & Space) that flushes its surroundings into nothingness.
Basically "nothingness" sucking everything in.
What is Oblivion?
The embodiment of "nothingness"
On Panel Maelstrom, the Agent of Oblivion, was prompted to destroy the Universe at the behest of his master Oblivion,
guess what Maelstrom had at his disposal and was using in order to give the Universe to Oblivion?
A Black Hole.
Originally posted by Mr MasterI agree with all of this, just as long as no one misinterprets those scans, and thinks that LT>The Brothers (pre-ret).
I wouldn't say supposedly, I would say surely, I mean it was depicted artistically on panel accompanied by statements.That's not only a bio retcon that's aan on panel retcon aswell.
I understand that friend, I read your first post already and I knew that from before.
What I didn't know was that they were retconned into Two Megaverses.
And the Living Tribunal held them in his hand, and he also "Fashioned" them.
"the Pulse of Creation reverberates through him, for he is its Heart, ALPHA & OMEGA revolve on the Wheel of Destiny, a Destiny SPUN by HIS mighty Hand"
SO now in VS threads involving LT, we can say officially,
LT manipulated Two Megeverses, and each Megaverse is a collection of Multiverses.
Spectre isn't shown or mentioned in the retcon, and since these Megaverses now reside within the Marvel Omniverse only, LT did this alone.
Because even LT and Spectre were nothing when compared to the pre retcon Brothers.
Post retcon is a completely different story.
#1
Originally posted by Galan007
I just want to comment that this scan came after "The Brothers" were retconned.
#2
Originally posted by Galan007
That's a very impressive feat on LT's part, but I just wanted to put it out there that LT only supposedly set up the incident with the Brothers, after they were retconned.Before their retcon, The Brothers were Supreme throughout all of their respective domains (Marvel & DC).
After their retcon, LT and Spectre supposedly set it all up.
#3
Originally posted by Galan007
I agree with all of this, just as long as no one misinterprets those scans, and thinks that LT>The Brothers (pre-ret).Because even LT and Spectre were nothing when compared to the pre retcon Brothers.
Post retcon is a completely different story.
Ok,
I know I, understood since post #1.
I think it's safe to say the rest understand aswell now. 😉
For the record, and for my brother galan to stop reminding us, 😛
PRE-retcon Brothers WERE the Marvel and DC companies embodied.
POST-retcon Brothers ARE TWO Megaverses, that the Living Tribunal manipulates and allows to exist.
Each Megaverse is a collection of Multiverses.
Now let us proceed....
Originally posted by Mr Master😂
I think it's safe to say the rest understand aswell now. 😉For the record, and for my brother galan to stop reminding us, 😛
PRE-retcon Brothers WERE the Marvel and DC companies embodied.
POST-retcon Brothers ARE TWO Megaverses, that the Living Tribunal manipulates and allows to exist.
Each Megaverse is a collection of Multiverses.
Now let us proceed....
I'm sure you aware that the scan of LT holding the Brothers could be easily misinterpreted, that's why I repeated myself. 😛
And since you posted that scan from AXM #12, does that mean that you also think that the Phoenix is in some way responsible for the origin of Galactus? 😕
Originally posted by Mr Master
The hole is part of Oblivion because it is a Black Hole, and it leads you right into Oblivion's Realm. (a Void of Nothingness)A Black Hole is an invisible force (or tear in Time & Space) that flushes its surroundings into nothingness.
Basically "nothingness" sucking everything in.
What is Oblivion?
The embodiment of "nothingness"
On Panel Maelstrom, the Agent of Oblivion, was prompted to destroy the Universe at the behest of his master Oblivion,
guess what Maelstrom had at his disposal and was using in order to give the Universe to Oblivion?
A Black Hole.
It doesn't necessarily suck, its just matter and energy tend to take the shortest route from A to B, and that usually means through the Black hole and the 4th dimension.
Originally posted by King Kandy
That's a black-hole? It sucks universes in with gravity?I was under the impression that it was some sort of "Un-Reality" force, gravity seems a little... Weird, it would mess up physics.
Gravity doesn't suck its bends, but inwards into another Dimension called time. Look up Special relativity, and u'll know what i mean. 🙂
