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Originally posted by Mr Master
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"Who dares summon the Beyonder from Oblivion?

"I darebehold me...and despair"

"a conflict spanning PLANES of existence"


"a battle in which the laws of physics are tortured beyond recognition and eventually shattered"

Molecule Man: "there are Infinities Beyond your limited perception"

"from the Quantum to the Trans-Multiversal, Reality trembles as the forces unleashed reverberate through out creation"

Realize how ALL Reality (in the Multi-verse) is being affected because of them, (both are POST-Retcon).

A WATCHER even goes blind in another Universe.

And inhabitants of the FlatLand Reality is are Warped, from a Two Dimensional to a Three Dimensional beings.

Originally posted by Big Sexy
What issue? Those are awesome

Those are from Fantastic Four v1 Annual #27 🙂

Originally posted by Mr Master
Those are from Fantastic Four v1 Annual #27 🙂

Originally posted by Big Sexy
http://www.mycomicshop.com/megastore/search?pcat=Comics%2DAll&til=7385 Thanks. You mean this?

Exactly.

I believe that this is TOAA=Stan Lee. Stan is talking to Impossible Man about the changes he has made in comics, and why these changes are "good"

Ok Mr. M, I've been giving this a lot of thought, and I don't think that Galactus was at FULL power during the couple seconds after he absorbed his 'World Ship' during the Secret Wars. Think about it, the Beyonder's recton established that Eternity was more powerful than the Beyonder, right? And at full power, Galactus=Eternity, right? Well Doom(with all that power from Galactus) got his ass kicked by the Beyonder. So it seems logical that at full power, Galactus would be even MORE powerful than he was for the couple of seconds in the Secret War. Now I'm sure that instance was the CLOSEST we've seen of him being at full power, but given all the evidence, I doubt that he was ACTUALLY at full power.

So what'cha think?

Cool thread 😎

Originally posted by darthgoober
I don't think that Galactus was at FULL power during the couple seconds after he absorbed his 'World Ship' during the Secret Wars. Think about it, the Beyonder's recton established that Eternity was more powerful than the Beyonder, right? And at full power, Galactus=Eternity, right? Well Doom(with all that power from Galactus) got his ass kicked by the Beyonder.

So what'cha think?

You forgot one little detail my good friend,

the Retcon did not exist when the feat was performed, it wasn't even thought of.

Initially, everything the Beyonder did in his PRE retcon era, was legit, as you know that's why threads with the title PRE-Retcon Beyonder versus "whoever" exist.

Between May 1984 and November 1986, Beyonder was exactly what we all thought, the Retcon issue came out and his history was changed.

Galactus's Ship has perhaps the greatest Energy Stores in the Universe, and the bottom line is, Doom became one with the Universe On Panel.

So I can't take into consideration the ret-con, because that was monkey wrenched into Beyonder's History YEARS After Secret Wars the First series.

FP Galactus = Eternity 🙂

What makes you equate Dr.Doom with world ship with FP Galctus?

Originally posted by Mr Master
You forgot one little detail my good friend,

the Retcon did not exist when the feat was performed, it wasn't even thought of.

Initially, everything the Beyonder did in his PRE retcon era, was legit, as you know that's why threads with the title PRE-Retcon Beyonder versus "whoever" exist.

Between May 1984 and November 1986, Beyonder was exactly what we all thought, the Retcon issue came out and his history was changed.

Galactus's Ship has perhaps the greatest Energy Stores in the Universe, and the bottom line is, Doom became one with the Universe On Panel.

So I can't take into consideration the ret-con, because that was monkey wrenched into Beyonder's History YEARS After Secret Wars the First series.

FP Galactus = Eternity 🙂

I could understand ignoring the incident, if there were ABSOLUTELY no way to explain it, but there is...Galactus was nearly at full power but not quite. Which is why Doom lost.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Oh, I'm not trying to downplay the amount of power Doom had, or say that full power Galactus DOESN'T=Eternity. I'm pointing out that the recton inadvertently rectoned Galactus, because now it's been established that the level of power Doom absorbed COULDN'T have been Galactus's max, because it was insufficient for the task of taking down the Beyonder.

Beyonder was more powerful than the Multi-verse millions of times over,

How was Eternity (FP Galactus) going to defeat him?

Your still mentioning the ret-con but it had NOTHING to do with these characters at the time.

The Ret-con was FORCED into the Beyonder's History YEARS AFTER Secret Wars the First seires. even Years after the Second series.

Beyonder was ret-conned in 1990. NOT Galactus.

That's why the Beyonder ret-con is a stupid one that should have been left alone.

Even in the issue he was Retconned, FF#319, in 1990, had Beyonder as a Universe, not as powerful as Eternity but a Universe nontheless.

Cosmic Cubes (like Kubik) supposedly are pocket universe at best, yet we have a "Half Cosmic Cube" made out of a Universe and Kubik comes along and Warps that entire Universe into a sphere the size of his hand.

SO I guess they must of Retconned that too, because Kosmos (Owen Reece and the Beyonder) was Kubik's equal.

Then Kosmos separates from Owen but stays with the essence of the Beyonder inside.
Then another Retcon, we Now learn that Beyonder's Essence can collapse the Multi-verse, so go figure.

Kosmos takes on Mortal Form as the Maker, Now another retcon, the Once Universe turned into a Half Cosmic Cube that became Kosmos that if dies folds the Multi-verse has become Mortal with the power to implode the Universe but is insane and vulnerable in it's Mortal Form.

The Maker can still collapse Reality if it were to die, Thanos knows this and puts the Maker in a catatonic state, the essence of the Beyonder trapped safely inside.

ANd that's it for now.

I'ma my cousins house so I don't have my scans, but by the way Marvel being one with the Universe and Doom controlling ALL Reality of the Universe are two completely different things.

Doom wasn't only ONE with the Universe, he was showing Molecule Man the Fabric of Reality on like another Plane of existence it seemed.

The scans are some pages back, read them and see that Doom was Eternity basically, or was able to do whatever he wished with the Universe.

😂 Hey, I know that rectons often cause problems, and are generally a BAD idea. And I know that no one MEANT to recton Galactus(that's why I said it happened inadvertantly), but the Beyonder's recton DID(even if it was by accident).

Originally posted by King Kandy
What makes you equate Dr.Doom with world ship with FP Galctus?

Go to page 2 of this thread, the answers you seek are there.

Originally posted by darthgoober
😂 Hey, I know that rectons often cause problems, and are generally a BAD idea. And I know that no one MEANT to recton Galactus(that's why I said it happened inadvertantly), but the Beyonder's recton DID(even if it was by accident).

I hear that,

Galactus is meant to be Eternity though, many times he has referred to his next step in evolution to be a Universe. Last Planet Standing, though non canon, was solely based on that concept.

There were other factors that made it non canon but the Galactus idea of him becoming iether the next Eternity or an Eternity all his own has been metioned in the past ample times.

Anyways PM me, on further ideas involving this issue. 😎

The Answers I seek are most certainly not there. On page two, you state that Galactus consuming the Worldship would make him equal to eternity, as FP Galactus. That's what I'm contesting. How did you arrive at that conclusion?

Very good thread !! Nice Job!!! 👆

Originally posted by King Kandy
The Answers I seek are most certainly not there. On page two, you state that Galactus consuming the Worldship would make him equal to eternity, as FP Galactus. That's what I'm contesting. How did you arrive at that conclusion?

"Perhaps the greatest Energy Source in the Universe"

"Behold, the Foundations of ETERNITY, the intertwining of Energies which is the basis of ALL THAT IS"

"Of all the mighty in the Universe, You are the mightiest, SAVE for DOOM" (actually Molecule Man was more powerful than Eternity, but he didn't know it yet.)

"What could Beyonder give me that is not already within my power"?

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Very good thread !! Nice Job!!! 👆

thanx juggs...

Merlin with the Sword of Might (Excalibur) plays a Game of Chess with the MULTI-VERSE

Merlin and Roma begin a game of Chess and Multi-verse 616 is their Chess Board.

Notice there are many Chess Boards floating around them, EACH Board representing a Multi-verse

As Merlin and Roma moved their Chess Pieces, Reality is Altered accordingly

Even Mad Jim Jaspers, (the Omniversal threat) is just One of their Game Pieces

The Game continues

Merlin realizes he underestimated the determination of the Fury (a creature created by Jaspers 238)

Merlin says, "I've missed something, I, of all people"

Roma responds, "No one is infallible Father, sometimes I think a strong wind will blow you over"
Merlin replies, "Ah yes, but I MAKE the WINDS"

Roma says, "and that Father, did you make that"?

That's the Fury.

As the Fury is about to kill Linda Mcquillan (Captain UK) in Multi-verse 616.

Merlin protects her, by covering the Chess piece with his hands

As you can see, his hands get burned by the Fury (a creature that killed every Super hero in the 238 Universe within TWO Hours)

The Fury is in disbelief that Linda survived

Roma begins to have a vision, Jaspers was not supposed to be part of this Game she thinks, but Merlin set it up like that (later we learn he's training her for her future position as Omniversal Guardian), and if a Multi-verse has to DIE in order to prepare her properly, so be it.

"But if this Game is Lost, I see a Universe eaten alive by Chaos, and ANOTHER Universe, and ANOTHER, like Dominos, Tumbling...I see the Future"

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"And it is Cancelled"

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