Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Which part of the table would the First Fallen(Phoenix polar opposite), the Goblyn Force and Jamie Braddock(If he makes it) fall into?
I have an issue with the Goblin Force, it's an obscure character seldom seen.
I flipped really quick through the pages and wasn't to impressed, I'll read the issue thoroughly though and come back on that.
I'm catching up to Jamie now, since I been thouroughly reading anything involving Captain Britain titles lately, they play the game on an Omniversal scale over there frequently, I just love the exaggeration.
I haven't bumped into him yet, but inevitably I will.
Atleast we have that one quick Feat where like you said, "he uses the White Hot Room as his playpen" 😂
Originally posted by Mr Master
I have an issue with the Goblin Force, it's an obscure character seldom seen.I flipped really quick through the pages and wasn't to impressed, I'll read the issue thoroughly though and come back on that.
I'm catching up to Jamie now, since I been thouroughly reading anything involving Captain Britain titles lately, they play the game on an Omniversal scale over there frequently, I just love the exaggeration.
I haven't bumped into him yet, but inevitably I will.
Atleast we have that one quick Feat where like you said, "he uses the White Hot Room as his playpen" 😂
Cool...thanks... 😄
Not to sound...like I'm taking advantage of your Cosmic knowledge or anything...but what about the Phoenix Counterpart/Polar Opposite...(First Fallen) guy....he seemed quite pathetic IMO...
I haven't bumped into him yet, but inevitably I will.
Oh wait..I think you just responded...never mind. Thanks for the info 😄
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
but what about the Phoenix Counterpart/Polar Opposite...(First Fallen) guy....he seemed quite pathetic IMO...
Oh snap I missed that,
nah like you said, it's pathetic, it appeared like in what, Two issues, nonsense.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Oh wait..I think you just responded...never mind. Thanks for the info 😄
I was referring to Jamie on that one, I'll bump inot him inevitably because I'm reading the entire collection of Captain Britain appearances in chronological order.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Oh snap I missed that,nah like you said, it's pathetic, it appeared like in what, Two issues, nonsense.
I was referring to Jamie on that one, I'll bump inot him inevitably because I'm reading the entire collection of Captain Britain appearances in chronological order.
Nah it's cool..it was pathetic...especially the way he got punked by Psylocke...anything written by Claremont nowdays should be burnt...granted he had some bad ones in the good ol' days....
I saw some confusion concerning Eternity, some were calling him an Aspect of the Universe, others said he simply an M-Body that represents the Universe.
The reality,
Eternity is the embodiment of the Universe, an Aspect of Multi-Eternity
The UNIVERSE materializing into ETERNITY before Galactus
Gamora Enters ETERNITY and ends up INSIDE the UNIVERSE
The UNIVERSE materializing Into ETERNITY before Strange
Everything is Eternity, those who are there around Dr Strange, see Reality as Eternity
When Thanos with the IG became the Universe, it was ETERNITY'S place he took.
Some comments:
1. Regarding the Living Tribunal, I heard it was retconned in one Quasar issue that the "True" LT has never been seen, and all that has been seen are M-bodies which are avatars that only contain a small amount of his power, for example when Thanos absorbed the LT he really just absorbed an M - body, and the true LT could easily defeat HOTU Thanos.
This is supported if you look here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvel_Multiverse
Go to Earth 4321 and it says that the entire "The End" storyline took place in this reality. It didn't affect 616 or any of the other universes, HOTU was only a universal power. Or else it would be called "Heart of the Multiverse".
2. You haven't mentioned many of Doctor Strange's characters, like the Vishanti, Octessence, Dormammu, Umar, Shuma - Gorath, Zom, etc.
Originally posted by Juntai
Mm, nice find Mike.
From this, I find continuity conflict.
There's only supposed to be one Thanos in the multiverse.
How would The End take place in Universe 4321, with Thanos taking over the that Universe, when in actuality, he exists soley in 616?
There has to be more than one Thanos. I mean the watcher was talking about SS taking the gauntlet from Thanos in another reality.
But now you have me thinking...
Oh and Mr. M pimp thread!
Originally posted by Endless Mike
1. Regarding the Living Tribunal, I heard it was retconned in one Quasar issue that the "True" LT has never been seen, and all that has been seen are M-bodies which are avatars that only contain a small amount of his power, for example when Thanos absorbed the LT he really just absorbed an M - body, and the true LT could easily defeat HOTU Thanos.
Research and forget about what you hear from the grape vine, it's usually sour.
No such thing as weaker M-Bodies in Marvel.
I'll post the scans from the Quasar issue your confused about if you want.
Abstract beings use M-bodies to give themselves Form, but the M-bodies ARE the Abstract Entities themselves with ALL of their Power.
Here's an example:
Thanos defeats Eternity's M-body
From that same M-body, Thanos becomes the actual Universe
WHO'S Position?
Eternity's M-body (the Universe)
Originally posted by Endless Mike
This is supported if you look here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvel_MultiverseGo to Earth 4321 and it says that the entire "The End" storyline took place in this reality. It didn't affect 616 or any of the other universes, HOTU was only a universal power. Or else it would be called "Heart of the Multiverse".
Oh jeez,
I despise Official Handbooks and Bios, imagine some garbage coming from Wikipedia of all places.
If that was not Thanos of 616, HOW the heck is he talking about his conquest of the Cosmic Cube and the Infinity Gauntlet, which took place in 616?
TOAA's Power was called the "HEART of the INFINITE" by the Celestial Order
It was Thanos that nicknamed it "the Heart of the Universe"
Stick to reading Comics, forget bios and handbooks, but be even more careful of individuals talking out of their ass, it leads to this kind of confusion as you can see.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
2. You haven't mentioned many of Doctor Strange's characters, like the Vishanti, Octessence, Dormammu, Umar, Shuma - Gorath, Zom, etc.
Those guys are small time.
Originally posted by Stupid Rookie
There has to be more than one Thanos. I mean the watcher was talking about SS taking the gauntlet from Thanos in another reality.But now you have me thinking...
Those damn What Ifs...
I really dislike the fact that What Ifs are Alternate Realities, but it is a reality.
That's the only time I seen an Alternate Thanos, in 2 What if issues.
Originally posted by Stupid Rookie
Oh and Mr. M pimp thread!
thanx friend...
1. Please post the scans from Quasar, that would be informative.
2. I don't see anything in those scans saying it was an M - body, it looks like he defeated the real Eternity. If it was an M - body, then wouldn't that mean that the real Eternity was still somewhere and hadn't actually been defeated yet? And how is this evidence that M - bodies aren't weaker than their true forms? Even if it was, why should something that is true of Eternity's M - body necessarily be true of the LT's M - body?
3. Small - time? Umar and Dormammu are at least Celestial - level (at full power Dormammu challenged Eternity). Agamotto was fighting evenly with Galactus, and you listed him. Shuma - Gorath has repeatedly threatened to destroy the entire universe. Zom was so powerful that Eternity and Dormammu combined were afraid of him and even the Living Tribunal was worried (not for himself, but for the damage Zom could do across the multiverse that he was supposed to stop).
Originally posted by Endless Mike
1. Please post the scans from Quasar, that would be informative.
The Dimension of Manisfestation, where Abstract beings go to get Bodies
Quasar meets the thing that runs this place, "the Prime Manifester"
The Prime Manifester and his people serve as the Manisfestation-Bodies for beings who have no physical form
The M-bodies have a Symbiotic Relationship with the Abstract beings, an EXCHANGE of ENERGIES.
SYMBIOTIC means: interaction between two different organisms living in close physical association, typically to the advantage of both.
What I tell ya,
Ok, and this settles it, once and for all.
There are countless Manifestations of Eternity, because each Eternity represents ONE Universe in a boundless Multi-verse.
Quasar asks, "What's the story with this Eternity"?
Epoch answers, "This is a recently MANIFESTED Aspect of Eternity"
Quasar says, "You mean THIS One corresponds to something that's going on in the Universe NOW? He looks Catatonic"
And so this M-body, which is the same as the REAL Eternity, really was Catatonic
"Powerful Eternity Catatonic"
"Artificially Induced by an OUTSIDE FORCE"
Originally posted by Endless Mike
2. I don't see anything in those scans saying it was an M - body, it looks like he defeated the real Eternity.
Ofcourse you don't see it saying M-body, that M-body crap was only mentioned in that Quasar issue, NEVER again.
This "real Eternity" looks exactly like the "M-body Eternity", which was my point from the beginning, they're the SAME THING.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
If it was an M - body, then wouldn't that mean that the real Eternity was still somewhere and hadn't actually been defeated yet?
No.
M-bodies are only exactly what their names implies, the Manisfestation of an Abtract without form.
Thanos became the REAL Eternity, because he defeated the Manisfestation of Eternity (his M-body, which is the SAME as the REAL Eternity)
Originally posted by Endless Mike
And how is this evidence that M - bodies aren't weaker than their true forms?
Because Thanos became the Living Universe when he took over Eternity's M-body.
So if M-body = Universe
and Eternity = Universe
then, M-body = Eternity
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Even if it was, why should something that is true of Eternity's M - body necessarily be true of the LT's M - body?
Like I said, ALL M-bodies are the EXACT SAME thing as the REAL embodiment, it's just a FORM given to the Abstract/Energy formless self.
Until it's stated On Panel that LT is any less than another LT, I ain't bying it.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
3. Small - time? Umar and Dormammu are at least Celestial - level
Small time.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
(at full power Dormammu challenged Eternity).
First of all, Dormammu will NEVER be able to defeat Eternity at any level under his own Power.
Dormammu had mystically Bonded his Power with his Sister's Umar, and the only reason they were able to defeat Eternity is because of a SHIFT in the Cosmic Axis, which made the Impossible, Possible, (like Dormammu and Umar harming Eternity)
Basically PIS.
The win was so definite, there wasn't even a battle
It Begins, Last page of the issue.
It Ends, First page of the following issue, lol.
Pure Crap.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Agamotto was fighting evenly with Galactus, and you listed him.
Agamotto is a joke in comparison with my Hierarchy and Galactus is not in My list either.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Shuma - Gorath has repeatedly threatened to destroy the entire universe.
Never did though,
and when Strange absorbed his power, he was only able to Warp a pocket dimension, not even a pocket Universe.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Zom was so powerful that Eternity and Dormammu combined were afraid of him and even the Living Tribunal was worried (not for himself, but for the damage Zom could do across the multiverse that he was supposed to stop).
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Originally posted by Galan777
Hey Mr. M im not sure if this question has come up yet, but have you explained why when Thanos absorbed the Multiverse it was refered to as the Universe before hand?
He also called it his Reality, Cosmos and All that is.
Eternity and Infinity even called it an Actuality,
"the balance of this Actuality"
Same title they used when they manifested as the Multi-verse
Thanos called it Actuality too, in book 6
"You & Gamora were OUTSIDE this Reality, tending Atleza, this Actuality's Cosmic Anchor"
Sometimes in Comics following the storyline completely defines Facts inbetween the lines.
Take this scenerio for instance:
We all know Roma is the Multi-versal Guardian
Roma Oversees the 616 Multi-verse personally, (you can see Multi-Earths)
Roma says Understanding the Universe is hard enough, but she tends to ETERNITY
"Within it, ALL that ever was, ever is or ever will be exists"
She calls the Multi-verse Eternity instead of Multi-Eternity.
Same occurance in the End series, Thanos calls it the "Universe" but also calls it "Actuality", and besides that, we know for a fact he KEPT on Absorbing AFTER he had Absorbed Eternity and Infinity (single universe)
The only possible thing to keep on Absorbing is the Multi-verse, there is.... the rest of the Omni-verse but Thanos clearly said,
"OUTSIDE this Reality, tending Atleza, this Actuality's Cosmic Anchor"
So he was speaking of ONE Reality, One Actuality, One Multi-verse.
The Writer of the End is Jim Starlin, the same guy that made the Infinity Gauntlet series, ALL of them.
You see how far he took the IG, it took over Eternity and became the Universe, Jim was aiming at surpassing that with the End series, No way that was a single universe, and the evidence point to the same.
