Everything COSMIC in Marvel - the Hierarchy, Battles, Feats, Q & A , scans galore!

Originally posted by Galan007
[b]Galactus vs. In-Betweener:

1. http://img309.imageshack.us/my.php?image=silversurfer198801802qu4.jpg
2. http://img304.imageshack.us/my.php?image=silversurfer198801803fx7.jpg
3. http://img312.imageshack.us/my.php?image=silversurfer198801804ag6.jpg
4. http://www2.propichosting.com/Images/450016509/1.jpg
5. http://www2.propichosting.com/Images/450016509/2.jpg
6. http://www2.propichosting.com/Images/450016509/3.jpg
7. http://www2.propichosting.com/Images/450016509/4.jpg
8. http://www2.propichosting.com/Images/450016509/5.jpg
9. http://img252.imageshack.us/my.php?image=silversurfer198801810qn8.jpg
10. http://img259.imageshack.us/my.php?image=silversurfer198801811cw3.jpg
11. http://img306.imageshack.us/my.php?image=silversurfer198801812hk4.jpg
12. http://img306.imageshack.us/my.php?image=silversurfer198801813nr0.jpg
13. http://img303.imageshack.us/my.php?image=silversurfer198801814nj5.jpg
14. http://img303.imageshack.us/my.php?image=silversurfer198801815ad9.jpg
15. http://img306.imageshack.us/my.php?image=silversurfer198801816fl6.jpg
16. http://img252.imageshack.us/my.php?image=silversurfer198801817mt9.jpg
17. http://img312.imageshack.us/my.php?image=silversurfer198801818xl9.jpg
18. http://img307.imageshack.us/my.php?image=silversurfer198801819ij4.jpg
19. http://img335.imageshack.us/my.php?image=silversurfer198801820xf2.jpg
20. http://img335.imageshack.us/my.php?image=silversurfer19880182122oe5.jpg
21. http://img303.imageshack.us/my.php?image=silversurfer198801823endza2.jpg

Yet even In-Betweener could not kill an unconscious Galactus, because of his uniqueness in the Universe:

1. http://img108.imageshack.us/my.php?image=silversurfer198801713ur0.jpg
2. http://img102.imageshack.us/my.php?image=silversurfer198801714lz7.jpg

So, srug [/B]

isn't that a hungry Galactus fighting there, Even IB say that he cannot defeat Galactus, when he is in his realm and IB is weakend along with Galactus so ...

Originally posted by Utrigita
isn't that a hungry Galactus fighting there, Even IB say that he cannot defeat Galactus, when he is in his realm and IB is weakend along with Galactus so ...

I just provided some scans, and ended my post with this smilie (----->srug<-----).

Now it's up to you to decide what's going on as far as teh Big G and I-B are concerned. 🙂

post is also more like a question to you because I am not sure what to believe ...

Originally posted by Utrigita
post is also more like a question to you because I am not sure what to believe ...

Teh Big G is more powerful. 🙂

thanks all I wanted to hear 😄

IB is more powerful. Galactus needed his Heralds to save him from IB.

Originally posted by King Kandy
IB is more powerful. Galactus needed his Heralds to save him from IB.

Galactus was hungry. A hungry Galactus stalemated IB.
IB had to drag a hungry Galactus into a realm where he is the most powerful.

Why don't we put Galactus in a fight with him, where he is in a realm full of flowing energy and see what the result is?

Agreed, and if he hadn't drawned Galactus into that perfect spot between then he would almost certainly have lost (to a weakend Galactus)

Mr master
i have a couple of questions for you?
1.on your hierarchy list the hotu is no.1,which death was out of the reach of.pret con beyonder at no.2 was able to kill multi death how is this possible.
2.why in your opinion was the beyonder pretconned,was it for the simple fact he was just powerful.

thanks

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
So, how many times have we argued this?
How many times have you ignored it?

Galactus was hungry. A hungry Galactus stalemated IB.
IB had to drag a hungry Galactus into a realm where he is the most powerful.

Why don't we put Galactus in a fight with him, where he is in a realm full of flowing energy and see what the result is?

But you seem to have forgotten Galactus is stronger in the main realm, so IB was handicapped to.

Originally posted by lordboo
Mr master
i have a couple of questions for you?

🙂

Originally posted by lordboo
1.on your hierarchy list the hotu is no.1,which death was out of the reach of.

THOTI was the power of TOAA,

or a great enough percentage of his power, to defeat the LT.

Apparently although THOTI was above the LT, (in Power)

it was restricted to influence a specific range of Space & Time,

namely the prime Multiverse.

THOTI had no influence on anything beyond Time & Space.

Death's realm is outside/beyond Space & Time.

Warlock & Gamora where "babysitting" our Reality's Anchor (Atleza) in her realm,

which is also outside the influence of Space and Time.

This is why these character and anyone else existing Outside of Space & Time survived.

Originally posted by lordboo
pret con beyonder at no.2 was able to kill multi death how is this possible.

Pre-retcon Beyonder was able to do anything,

the concept of "impossibility" does not apply to him.

It did take alot of his power to erase the Totality of Death.

(how much exactly?)

No one can say, it was never specified.

But Beyonder was the only being in all creation that knew how to bring back Death,

Beyonder was also able to Re-Create Multi-Death, by using a Human body as a host.

Originally posted by lordboo
2.why in your opinion was the beyonder pretconned,was it for the simple fact he was just powerful.

Pretty much.

interestingly enough though,

Beyonder was retconned yet again, (after the first retcon)

He was made essential to the Multiverse.

Kill the Beyonder's essence, and the Multiverse suffers.

"to rend the Life Force of such a being as the Beyonder"

"Havoc unthinkable would be wrecked across Multiversal Cosmography"

Originally posted by lordboo
thanks

Anytime.

where would you place oblivion fourth aspect seemingly the UN cannot hurt him.

Could you help me out here has been a little confusing

Originally posted by Utrigita
where would you place oblivion fourth aspect seemingly the UN cannot hurt him.

Oblivion is a unique Concept.

While it's true, he is one of the four cornerstones of any Reality,

like Eternity/Infinity and Death,

he's also beyond them.

Oblivion is the embodiment of nothingness,

as such when Reality is Nullified Oblivion remains.

By it's very definition,

Oblivion was the first and will be the last remaining evidence of Marvel.

Also, I haven't gotten around to it,

but I have an issue where Oblivion claims to have spawned all life,

and that all creation would one day return to him. (also mentioned in his Bio)

Where would In-Betweener and Nebula(chornus) be, would they be below Galactus? Also Rune King Thor

What about that Nebulos guy, who was using some staff artifact to give the LT a good fight in a 70s Dr. Strange comic?

Originally posted by Mr Master
🙂

THOTI was the power of TOAA,

or a great enough percentage of his power, to defeat the LT.

Apparently although THOTI was above the LT, (in Power)

it was restricted to influence a specific range of Space & Time,

namely the prime Multiverse.

THOTI had no influence on anything beyond Time & Space.

Death's realm is outside/beyond Space & Time.

Warlock & Gamora where "babysitting" our Reality's Anchor (Atleza) in her realm,

which is also outside the influence of Space and Time.

This is why these character and anyone else existing Outside of Space & Time survived.

Pre-retcon Beyonder was able to do anything,

the concept of "impossibility" does not apply to him.

It did take alot of his power to erase the Totality of Death.

(how much exactly?)

No one can say, it was never specified.

But Beyonder was the only being in all creation that knew how to bring back Death,

Beyonder was also able to Re-Create Multi-Death, by using a Human body as a host.

Pretty much.

interestingly enough though,

Beyonder was retconned yet again, (after the first retcon)

He was made essential to the Multiverse.

Kill the Beyonder's essence, and the Multiverse suffers.

"to rend the Life Force of such a being as the Beyonder"

"Havoc unthinkable would be wrecked across Multiversal Cosmography"

Anytime.

1)The handbooks dont recognise HOTI as Gods power, nor did LT the servant of Marvels God. Officially the HOTI is a powerful energy source that Thanos tapped into making him more powerful than any of the fundamental forces. Thanos believed it was gods power. That does not make it canon. The handbooks agree.

2) There has never ever been an entity established in continuity called Multi Death. Beyonder called 616 Eternity a multiverse because of the countless dimensions that existed within his borders. In the same issue that Death was "killed" the abstracts that Beyonder was going to confront were said to be "universal":

the handbook marks out the Death that Beyonder killed as being 616 Death:

The only backing you have for a Multi Death is the fact that Deaths destruction was said to affect the multiverse. Given that

a) Beyonder established in the Secret Wars 2 series that 616 Eternity was a multiverse of sorts in his own right

b) the issue marks out the beings he was confronting as universal

c) The handbooks mark out the beings involved as universal

(616 Deaths bio)

It seems that it was just the universal 616 Death we all know and love that was affected and the multiversal reference came from this writers interpretation of 616 Eternity as a multiverse in his own right and not just a universe.

3) Saying to rend the life force of a being like the Beyonder does NOT mean that the Beyonder is essential to the existence of reality. It could very well just mean that doing so would unleash tremendous energies that could threaten the multiverse, which is possible given his power. Either way, the cube beings have never ever been stated point blank to be a power fundamental to the existence of reality in an Eternity/Infinity/Phoenix Force sense. The cosmic cubes that Beyonder got his power from were themselves just experiments from the True Beyonders dimension that Eternity ALLOWED into his borders.

They are not a part of Eternitys being, their power stems from outside. They are NOT fundamental to Eternitys existence and by extension neither is Beyonder.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
1)The handbooks dont recognise HOTI as Gods power, nor did LT the servant of Marvels God. Officially the HOTI is a powerful energy source that Thanos tapped into making him more powerful than any of the fundamental forces. Thanos believed it was gods power. That does not make it canon. The handbooks agree.

2) There has never ever been an entity established in continuity called Multi Death. Beyonder called 616 Eternity a multiverse because of the countless dimensions that existed within his borders. In the same issue that Death was "killed" the abstracts that Beyonder was going to confront were said to be "universal":

the handbook marks out the Death that Beyonder killed as being 616 Death:

The only backing you have for a Multi Death is the fact that Deaths destruction was said to affect the multiverse. Given that

a) Beyonder established in the Secret Wars 2 series that 616 Eternity was a multiverse of sorts in his own right

It seems that it was just the universal 616 Death we all know and love that was affected and the multiversal reference came from this writers interpretation of 616 Eternity as a multiverse in his own right and not just a universe.

3) Saying to rend the life force of a being like the Beyonder does NOT mean that the Beyonder is essential to the existence of reality. It could very well just mean that doing so would unleash tremendous energies that could threaten the multiverse, which is possible given his power. Either way, the cube beings have never ever been stated point blank to be a power fundamental to the existence of reality in an Eternity/Infinity/Phoenix Force sense. The cosmic cubes that Beyonder got his power from were themselves just experiments from the True Beyonders dimension that Eternity ALLOWED into his borders.

They are not a part of Eternitys being, their power stems from outside. They are NOT fundamental to Eternitys existence and by extension neither is Beyonder.

Stop spamming my thread with all this agenda inspired bull shit.

I'm not interested in it, and neither is anyone else.

I'm not going to entertain any of it with a debate.

You made Your point, now go make your own thread and spew this crap there.

Thanx. 🙂

Originally posted by the Darkone
Where would In-Betweener and Nebula(chornus) be, would they be below Galactus? Also Rune King Thor

RKT is no where near even Abstract.

In-Betweener is lower tier Abstract (though not an Abstract himself)

Galactus and IB is very close.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
What about that Nebulos guy, who was using some staff artifact to give the LT a good fight in a 70s Dr. Strange comic?

He never really gave LT a fight,

LT was just using pissy methods to defeat him (I guess to stretch the story)

But Nebulos knew he was out of his league.

He seemed to be doing better than an Eternity - level being would