Sephiroth vs. Weiss

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Omega was using Weiss. The thing is that Omega used him as the ultimate offensive weapon. Omega had no reason to not give its power to its last resort at fighting off Chaos.

The fact is though, that if Omega Weiss fought with AC Sephiroth of his own will and not just a tool of Omega, that he stands a pretty good chance of winning.

He'd put up a good fight but not have a chance of winning.... Omega is a planetary force similar to chaos but better, i dont think Omega was "using" weiss any more than Chaos with vincent. After all, isnt omega purely instintual and with weiss, gives a more refined form of control

He'd put up a good fight but not have a chance of winning....

How does Weiss, with all his original power and skill, then charged up by the power of all the lifestream, not have a chance of winning?

, i dont think Omega was "using" weiss any more than Chaos with vincent

Vincent had the proto materia, thats how he kept Chaos in control. When Nero merged with Weiss after you defeat Weiss empowered, it kicked Hojo out, and then Omega took over his body because it was now just an uncontrolled body connected to Omega.

IMO the fact that Sephiroth have controll over all the Lifestream too, AND all the abilities of Jenova, makes him better than Omega Weiss.

I think he wins.

What are you talking about? Sephiroth only has control over his negative lifestream, not the whole thing. He can only control the spirit energy of thos killed by Geostigma.

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
What are you talking about? Sephiroth only has control over his negative lifestream, not the whole thing. He can only control the spirit energy of thos killed by Geostigma.

We know the Lifestream is the source of power in FFVII. By what you said, Weiss is more powerful, because he has controll over "all" of it, and Seph don't. But there is nothing above Sephiroth, so how that works?
Simple, Seph has controll over all the Lifestream too. He probably used his Negative one to directly corrupt the pure one. This is why it was so powerful that it could "transform the planet in a vessel".

We know the Lifestream is the source of power in FFVII. By what you said, Weiss is more powerful, because he has controll over "all" of it, and Seph don't. But there is nothing above Sephiroth, so how that works?

Control over the lifestream isn't the only way to be powerful. Fighting prowess and raw strength have a lot to do with it.

Simple, Seph has controll over all the Lifestream too. He probably used his Negative one to directly corrupt the pure one. This is why it was so powerful that it could "transform the planet in a vessel".

Nope, Sephiroth only controls the negative lifestream. Think about it, if he controlled all the lifestream already, he wouldn't need to corrupt it with geostigma, because he would already be able to make it bend to his will. Also, the creators said that he only controls the negative lifestream.

Weiss does not have control over all of the life stream, what an absurd statement.

Weiss does not have control over all of the life stream, what an absurd statement.

Have you ever even played Dirge? Omega's entire purpose is to suck up all the lifestream, therefore Omega Weiss is being powered by all the lifestream, its simple fact.

What's absurd is people arguing in ignorance of the compilation.

Yes, control over the Lifestream is the only way to be really powerful.

Everything in FFVII is connected with the Lifestream, and that includes physical strength and speed. This is why Weiss was so fast(in his fight against Chaos Vincent) and so strong(blocking bullets with his arms) after merging with it. And it's one of the reasons why SOLDIERs are so strong and fast.
And IIRC, some of the Limit Breaks are caused by a burst of adrenaline, where the person can use his/her spirit energy(the "Lifestream" that everyone have inside themselves, like Vincent explained in AC) to boost his/her abilities.

Everything in FFVII is connected to spirit energy and the Lifestream. It's the source of life, for god's sake! It's impossible to be as strong and/or fast as someone who have controll over all of it.

And it's pretty obvious Sephiroth have controll over "all" the Lifestream(or most of it, because Aerith was still there). There is nothing above him, and that includes Minerva, the living will of the planet. Or you will say now, that the consciousness of Gaia don't have control over the Lifestream?

This is why he can control "all" of it. And IMO, power of the Lifestream, and power of Jenova, give the victory to him.

Note: Weiss DIDN'T have control over all the Lifestream, because Omega was formed of only PURE spirit energy. Stagnant spirit energy is part of the Lifestream too.
And don't tell me she/it has stagnant energy, because of Nero's fusion with Weiss. Nero's stagnance is probably a fraction of all the stagnant spirit energy in the world.

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Have you ever even played Dirge? Omega's entire purpose is to suck up all the lifestream, therefore Omega Weiss is being powered by all the lifestream, its simple fact.

What's absurd is people arguing in ignorance of the compilation.

If he sucked up all the lifestream the planet would die you fool.

He planet would die if he sucked up more than 10% of it after what Shinra done.

You are the ignorant one, forgetting the basic plot details on FF7, and you can yourself a fan tsk tsk tsk.....

Originally posted by SHM
Yes, control over the Lifestream is the only way to be really powerful.

Everything in FFVII is connected with the Lifestream, and that includes physical strength and speed. This is why Weiss was so fast(in his fight against Chaos Vincent) and so strong(blocking bullets with his arms) after merging with it. And it's one of the reasons why SOLDIERs are so strong and fast.
And IIRC, some of the Limit Breaks are caused by a burst of adrenaline, where the person can use his/her spirit energy(the "Lifestream" that everyone have inside themselves, like Vincent explained in AC) to boost his/her abilities.

[B]Everything in FFVII is connected to spirit energy and the Lifestream. It's the source of life, for god's sake! It's impossible to be as strong and/or fast as someone who have controll over all of it.

And it's pretty obvious Sephiroth have controll over "all" the Lifestream(or most of it, because Aerith was still there). There is nothing above him, and that includes Minerva, the living will of the planet. Or you will say now, that the consciousness of Gaia don't have control over the Lifestream?

This is why he can control "all" of it. And IMO, power of the Lifestream, and power of Jenova, give the victory to him.

Note: Weiss DIDN'T have control over all the Lifestream, because Omega was formed of only PURE spirit energy. Stagnant spirit energy is part of the Lifestream too.
And don't tell me she/it has stagnant energy, because of Nero's fusion with Weiss. Nero's stagnance is probably a fraction of all the stagnant spirit energy in the world. [/B]

Sephiroth certain has absorbed alot more of the lifestream, but the amount his control is limited IMO

You really don't know what you're talking about. Jenova cells are what gave Sephiroth his extreme powers, not the lifestream. In the beginning Sephiroth was powerful because he is the perfect hybrid of Jenova and human, not because of anything to do with mako, play Crisis Core. In FF VII he planned to become a god by merging with the lifestream, but he never managed to fully do it. In AC Sephiroth is powerful because he has no human weakness left in him, he is made up entirely of Jenova matter. Jenova cells are also injected into SOLDIERs to give them enhanced strength and regeneration.

The lifestream isn't the only way to become powerful, there is also Jenova cells, stagnant mako, having your own DNA infused with a powerful beass(Azul was given behemoth DNA), etc.

And once again, according to the creators themselves, Sephiroth only controls the negative lifestream, he has no control whatsoever on the regular lifestream.

If he sucked up all the lifestream the planet would die you fool.

He planet would die if he sucked up more than 10% of it after what Shinra done.

You are the ignorant one, forgetting the basic plot details on FF7, and you can yourself a fan tsk tsk tsk.....

Wrong again. Maybe if you actually played Dirge you would understand this. The whole reason they did not want Omega o show up was because Omega woas going to leave with all the lifestream, thus letting the planet die off. Omega's only purpose is to absorb the entirity of the lifestream, and that's what it did.

Please, don't argue unless you know what you're talking about.

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Wrong again. Maybe if you actually played Dirge you would understand this. The whole reason they did not want Omega o show up was because Omega woas going to leave with all the lifestream, thus letting the planet die off. Omega's only purpose is to absorb the entirity of the lifestream, and that's what it did.

Vincent stops it before he sucks up loads, if it had sucked up the lifestream, this would happen..... (0:08 - 0:03)

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No, Omega took off because it had sucked up enormous quantities of lifestream. It would not leave the planet without accomplishing its goal, Vincent stopped it from getting away with all the lifestream.

If it didn't take very much as you seem to think, why was everyone concerned when it took off, and why did Vincent need to stop it? The answer, because it took the lifestream.

Fascist, the Lifestream is not the only source of power in FFVII, BUT is the ultimate one, because is connected with EVERYTHING. This is just a fact.

Control over the Lifestream = ultimate power, this is another fact. And Sephiroth have the ultimate power(AKA, control over the Lifestream) because nothing is above him. deal with it.

And yes, the creators said he can only control the Negative Lifestream. But in the end of AC, Seph already "transformed" most of the Lifestream in the planet, in Negative Lifestream. This is why nothing is above him, and it's why he can use it to kill the planet and travel the universe.

Ah, and stop being a troll, okay? Bashing and insulting others will not help your argument.

Control over the Lifestream = ultimate power. And Sephiroth have the ultimate power(AKA, control over the Lifestream) because nothing is above him. deal with it.

Nothing is greater than Sephiroth =/= he is in control of the entire lifestream. The creators even said he wasn't, deal with it.

And yes, the creators said he can only control the Negative Lifestream. But in the end of AC, Seph already "transformed" most of the Lifestream in the planet, in Negative Lifestream. This is why he can use it to kill the planet and travel the universe.

Geostigma did not kill more than half the planet, it hadn't even been around that long in AC. There is literally nothing usggesting that most of the lifestream was negative in AC. If it were, Sephiroth could have just fulfilled his plan and killed off the planet right then.

You have no base for your theories, please only argue with the facts, not silly things that only exist in your head.

Ah, and stop being a troll, okay? Bashing and insulting others will not help your argument.

Isn't hypocrisy fun? Before you edited your post there was an insult directed towards me where this was.

So he decided to take it back, realizing that it was wrong to insult so in actuality he's not a hypocrite. But why insult, I don't want to have to report this sweet topic.

Omega weapon is OVERATED, each WEAPON in FFVII had a purpose to defend, omega's purpose was "evacuation" to take the lifestream and set off to space to avoid a huge calamity, of course weiss will become strong joining with omega weapon, but he did not have the whole lifestream under his control.

It has been stated that there is nothing above Sephiroth, base weiss would still lose to pre-nibelheim Sephiroth, and probably lose to Genesis and Angeal too, Sephiroth was known as the strongest SOLDIER and the original, he did not have any of the injections like the other SOLDIERs, he was born with it, Weiss is just a wannabe, and he would never become another Sephiroth.

Sapphire WEAPON was the coolest ^-^

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Originally posted by Remindme
Sapphire WEAPON was the coolest ^-^

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That is beyond question.

Also, guys, how about some actual quotes? The quote saying Seph only had control over the Negative Lifestream be nice to finally shut down SHM's theories on Seph controlling most of the Lifestream once and for all.