Sephiroth vs. Weiss

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
That is beyond question.

Also, guys, how about some actual quotes? The quote saying Seph only had control over the Negative Lifestream be nice to finally shut down SHM's theories on Seph controlling most of the Lifestream once and for all.

you mean beyond doubt? 😛

geez i dunno, sounds like work ^^'

fine fine fine

Interveiw *Q: What were those dark clouds that Sephiroth called forth before his battle with Cloud began? Some of them even had tendrils.
*A: It was something of a negative Lifestream, composed of the Spirit Energy of those who had died with Geostigma. Their Spirit Energy became corrupted by the influence of JENOVA's Cells and was, thus, under Sephiroth's control.

As you see, the number of people and creatures that died of geostigma was limited, as is the amount of negative lifestream he controls

Indeed.

So, Seph never had anything close to the full power of the Lifestream.

Originally posted by Remindme
you mean beyond doubt? 😛

geez i dunno, sounds like work ^^'

fine fine fine

As you see, the number of people and creatures that died of geostigma was limited, as is the amount of negative lifestream he controls

Then for some reason, his "little" Lifestream has the same level of power than most of the normal one.
The fact we have two characters(Omega and Minerva) with control over most of the Lifestream, and the fact that nothing is above Sephiroth and he have power enough to transform the entire planet in a "space-ship", is proof of that.

Ah, and remember that Avalanche destroyed the Mako Reactors of Midgar in DoC. Omega didn't absorb all of the pure Lifestream.

My opinion still stands. Seph and Weiss can be "equal" in many things, but Jenova's abilities give the advantage to Seph.

Sephiroth twaats Weiss, is that even a debate here?

To make something clear to everyone who is reading this thread, and don't have good knowledge about FFVII's universe: Omega Weiss being equal to Sephiroth is pure speculation. It was never stated in any official source, that a specific character in FFVII is equal to him. They just said that nothing is above him.

Originally posted by SHM
To make something clear to everyone who is reading this thread, and don't have good knowledge about FFVII's universe: Omega Weiss being equal to Sephiroth is pure speculation. It was never stated in any official source, that a specific character in FFVII is equal to him. They just said that nothing is above him.

They said he was the strongest character in the FFVII Universe

Originally posted by Remindme
They said he was the strongest character in the FFVII Universe

Read that:

Kitase said that Sephiroth's existence and will is extremely powerful. There is nothing stronger, nothing above him.

Producer Kitase decided that they couldn’t make any other character stronger than Sephiroth in the world of FFVII.

No one is stronger than him, but they didn't say anything about being equal.

The problem is that we never saw his true power. Because of that, we don't have how to know if Weiss or anyone else, is equal to him or not.

Originally posted by SHM
Read that:

No one is stronger than him, but they didn't say anything about being equal.

The problem is that we never saw his true power. Because of that, we don't have how to know if Weiss or anyone else, is equal to him or not.

Lol, so if Weiss fought Sephiroth, Sephiroth by that quote would not lose, or Weiss would be stronger.

Yes, i am curse with the power to do the math, poor me 🙁

Originally posted by Remindme
Lol, so if Weiss fought Sephiroth, Sephiroth by that quote would not lose, or Weiss would be stronger.

Yes, i am curse with the power to do the math, poor me 🙁

What do you mean with "or Weiss would be stronger"? He isn't stronger than Sephiroth. No one in FFVII can be, that's the point.

From my POV that quote is saying.

"Sephiroth is the strongest FFVII character we have created, anyone else in power is either equal or below'

Originally posted by grey fox
From my POV that quote is saying.

"Sephiroth is the strongest FFVII character we have created, anyone else in power is either equal or below'

Yeah, this is exactly what the two quotes are saying.

Shame those quotes came out before DoC and are worthless to anything that comes after them.

Originally posted by SHM
What do you mean with "or Weiss would be stronger"? He isn't stronger than Sephiroth. No one in FFVII can be, that's the point.

Fine I'll break it down so those more simple minded can understand.

The statement:
Sephiroth's existence and will is extremely powerful. There is nothing stronger, nothing above him.
We know is true

Therefore, Weiss cannot defeat Sephiroth or that statement would be false

If Sephiroth defeats Weiss, that statement remains true.

Thus it is common logic, Sephiroth > Weiss

Originally posted by Remindme
Fine I'll break it down so those more simple minded can understand.

The statement:
Sephiroth's existence and will is extremely powerful. There is nothing stronger, nothing above him.
We know is true

Therefore, Weiss cannot defeat Sephiroth or that statement would be false

If Sephiroth defeats Weiss, that statement remains true.

Thus it is common logic, Sephiroth > Weiss

Ahh... That's what you meant. By the way you talked, I had the impression you gave two diferent scenarios of how the battle would end. The way I understood was "Sephiroth by that quote would not lose. Or Weiss by that quote would be stronger".

But now I understand. 😛

Originally posted by SHM
Ahh... That's what you meant. By the way you talked, I had the impression you gave two diferent scenarios of how the battle would end. The way I understood was "Sephiroth by that quote would not lose. Or Weiss by that quote would be stronger".

But now I understand. 😛

My bad, anyone else that that thing where, it's crystal clear in your head, but some of it gets lost when you trying to write it down?

Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
Shame those quotes came out before DoC and are worthless to anything that comes after them.

No those quotes are during the creation of Crisis Core which was made AFTER DoC.

WEISS FTW!!!

No those quotes are during the creation of Crisis Core which was made AFTER DoC.

So i noticed. I was thinking of the American release date for DOC and the Japanese release date for the Files. Sorry about that.

It still means nothing though. We go by facts and feats here.

Gotta love the Sephiroth wank in here.

Shame the only thing people can rely on is a quote. You'd think the strongest FF7er's battles would speak for him.

Nope. According to the (senile) creators of FF7, Sephiroth had tons of power in AC. They just...um...never showed it. Or alluded to it.

Yeah.