The Midnighter vs. Wolverine

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Originally posted by Scoobless
Maybe 6 - 6.5/10... basically because he only really needs to connect once to slow Midnighter right down... whereas if Midnighter lands a damaging blow it'll just piss Wolverine off

...pretty much the same conclusion I came to.

And don't overestimate MN'ers healing. It's not nearly good enough to win him the fight if he gets stabbed.

considering how midnighter handled that werewolf-esque creature in the arc with the GodHead, i think wolverine is losing the majority.

and capt it up, gladiator wasn't talking about wolverine when he stated that, he was talking of the x-men in general. and one of the guards wolverine killed was by surprise shot (moreover, it was only a duplicate), the other was just a useless guy made of biohelium.

Originally posted by manorastroman
considering how midnighter handled that werewolf-esque creature in the arc with the GodHead, i think wolverine is losing the majority.

and capt it up, gladiator wasn't talking about wolverine when he stated that, he was talking of the x-men in general. and one of the guards wolverine killed was by surprise shot (moreover, it was only a duplicate), the other was just a useless guy made of biohelium.

wow midnighter beat a were wolf whoopy lol

you didn't even read that issue. the werewolf's healing factor was WAY faster than wolverines is depicted 99% of the time. and it had superhuman attributes. regardless of who gladiator was staring at, wolverine only cheap-shotted a duplicate and nicked a guy made of helium. i coulda done the same thing with a blowgun.

Originally posted by manorastroman
you didn't even read that issue. the werewolf's healing factor was WAY faster than wolverines is depicted 99% of the time. and it had superhuman attributes. regardless of who gladiator was staring at, wolverine only cheap-shotted a duplicate and nicked a guy made of helium. i coulda done the same thing with a blowgun.

really that were wolf healled better then logan? I love to to see that.

then read the issue. they had to fatally (emphasis on fatally) wound it every two seconds just to keep it down...it still wouldn't die.

i just re-read the nxm issues in question, and logan only kills the two i mentioned, both with surprise attacks. he is about to kill another when gladiator busts in and embarasses him thoroughly. and gladiator WAS referring to the x-men as a whole; logan is unconscious in his arms and gladiator is facing the remaining x-men.

Originally posted by manorastroman
considering how midnighter handled that werewolf-esque creature in the arc with the GodHead, i think wolverine is losing the majority.

and capt it up, gladiator wasn't talking about wolverine when he stated that, he was talking of the x-men in general. and one of the guards wolverine killed was by surprise shot (moreover, it was only a duplicate), the other was just a useless guy made of biohelium.

So... Midnighter beats Wolverine the majority of the time because he managed beat a third rate rip-off of Logan (Hawksmoor beat him in the end but what ever)? Seriously the one seemingly impressive thing that monster did was out down by Wolverine circa his first mini series. Comparing the two is like comparing a dime with a 100 dollar bill, they are both currency... but thats about it.

Wolverine gets the high majority of wins against Midnighter.

man do you get defensive about wolverine. calling the wolf a third-rate ripoff is the same fallacy as the currency thing...their only similarity is a healing factor. i only bring it up because there seems to be a question of whether midnighter could harm wolverine. considering that the beast had to be FATALLY wounded every couple of seconds just to keep him off his feet, i would say his healing factor is better than the vast majority of wolverine's appearances. the thing also appeared to have superhuman speed and strength, as well as some sharp claws of his own.

yeah yeah, wolverine has a massive fighting skills advantage (in regards to the wolf thing) as well as adamantium. but midnighter is rarely handed a defeatm and certainly not by street levelers.

intelligence: midnighter
tactics: midnighter
strength: midnighter
speed: midnighter
reflexes: midnighter
fighting: wolverine
healing: wolverine

most of these advantages are slight, but i feel like midnighter is consistantly portrayed as tougher.

very good fight but sooner or later logan will connect and its over.

Originally posted by manorastroman
intelligence: midnighter
tactics: midnighter
strength: midnighter
speed: midnighter
reflexes: midnighter
fighting: wolverine
healing: wolverine

Originally posted by Soljer
Midnighter. He'll stab his hand into Wolverine's chest and rip out his heart.

And Wolverine'll heal.

And Midnighter'll do it again.

And Wolverine'll heal.

And Midnighter'll do it again.

Originally posted by capt it up
when wolverine defeated more elite imperial guards then any force has ever done.

When the hell did that happen? What were the circumstances?

Originally posted by manorastroman
then read the issue. they had to fatally (emphasis on fatally) wound it every two seconds just to keep it down...it still wouldn't die.

i just re-read the nxm issues in question, and logan only kills the two i mentioned, both with surprise attacks. he is about to kill another when gladiator busts in and embarasses him thoroughly. and gladiator WAS referring to the x-men as a whole; logan is unconscious in his arms and gladiator is facing the remaining x-men.

Ah...it sure is great to get the truth every now and then.

Thanks, manorastroman. 🤘

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Ah...it sure is great to get the truth every now and then.

Thanks, manorastroman. 🤘

Gladiator was talking about the X-Men in general when he complimented them, but considering the only people doing any amount of fighting were Beast and Wolverine it was still a compliment in Wolverine's favor. Especially considering Wolverine saved Hank right after Hank got put down via electrocution. Without Wolverine carving people up the X-Men would not have "taken down more imperial supertroops than any other force in the galaxy."

And in regards to Midnighter's tactical fighting computers lets remember that they only work in his favor if he is being attacked. If Midnighter starts attacking Wolverine that advantage goes right out the window and Midnighter can and has been put down by normal human martial artists in that situation.

Be realistic, how often has Wolverine NOT made the first move in combat?

He'll realize that he has to fight this fool in black, and he'll lunge at him, claws drawn, all the while Midnighter is calculating millions of ways to put him down.

😖hifty:

Originally posted by Soljer
Be realistic, how often has Wolverine NOT made the first move in combat?

Combat is made by a series of clashes. Wolverine will not be making the first move in every single clash during the fight. Midnighter is pretty damn agressive himself. He will not let Wolverine make the aggressive move every single time they attack one another. Sooner or later Midnighter will go after Wolverine, negating the effectiveness of his
fight computers. Then he becomes vulnerable to Wolverine's better fighting skills. Midnighter does not do well without his fight computer telling him what to do.

Originally posted by Soljer
He'll realize that he has to fight this fool in black, and he'll lunge at him, claws drawn, all the while Midnighter is calculating millions of ways to put him down.

Originally posted by riceroost
Too bad he's not telling the truth. Funny how you'll go along with anyone as long as they are putting down Wolverine. Capt it Up was right. Wolverine did take down 4 imperials himself. And manorastroman was wrong about Wolverine being unconscious as well. Wolverine was badly beaten, but very much awake when Gladiator comes through the wall at Jean Grey. Wolverine looks up and apologizes to Jean, "Sorry, I tried to talk him out of it."

Gladiator was talking about the X-Men in general when he complimented them, but considering the only people doing any amount of fighting were Beast and Wolverine it was still a compliment in Wolverine's favor. Especially considering Wolverine saved Hank right after Hank got put down via electrocution. Without Wolverine carving people up the X-Men would not have "taken down more imperial supertroops than any other force in the galaxy."

And in regards to Midnighter's tactical fighting computers lets remember that they only work in his favor if he is being attacked. If Midnighter starts attacking Wolverine that advantage goes right out the window and Midnighter can and has been put down by normal human martial artists in that situation.

So what issue is it? What number and such?

Originally posted by Metalmanx
So what issue is it? What number and such?

Originally posted by riceroost
Sooner or later Midnighter will go after Wolverine, negating the effectiveness of his
fight computers.

That's bull... Midnighter has attacked super people first dozens of times and beat them down with little to no effort... that one scan with the martial arts guy is pretty much PIS

Originally posted by Scoobless
That's bull... Midnighter has attacked super people first dozens of times and beat them down with little to no effort... that one scan with the martial arts guy is pretty much PIS