The Midnighter vs. Wolverine

Originally posted by Creshosk
And Thor got taken out by a sniper. And Sopiderman beat up Firelord, and Storm flew on Solar Winds, and Toyman is a threat to superman, And wolverine climbed out of a vat of molten steel,

It was PIS... its not "indisputable" It was just stupid, and its not useable in debates because it was PIS.

some idiot writer didn't know that there's bone behind the eye.

And some idiot writer didn't know a Gamma bomb would kill any human, and some idiot writer didn't know it is impossible to lift hundreds of tons with a human mind, and some idiot writer didn't know it is impossible for a spider to turn a man into a superhuman.

I think we are debating a pointless; well, point here. Does he have to bone behind his eye? Maybe, maybe not. I personally think we look into things to much on this forum. Some things are in fact NOT supposed to make sense you know. This is, a factitious comic world after all.

I don't know if he has the bone or not, but I'll co-sign on this....

Originally posted by Eel O'Brian
I'm pretty sure that these debates here are the reasons that writers write most comic forums off as a big "LOL".

Originally posted by Starscream M
is it PIS when Superman flies at ultrasonic speeds without creating sonic booms and shock vacuums that would destroy cities?

actually, superman tends to calculate his speed so that it doesnt cause sonic booms...

Originally posted by Raoul
actually, superman tends to calculate his speed so that it doesnt cause sonic booms...

Originally posted by Apolloknight
And some idiot writer didn't know a Gamma bomb would kill any human, and some idiot writer didn't know it is impossible to lift hundreds of tons with a human mind, and some idiot writer didn't know it is impossible for a spider to turn a man into a superhuman.

I think we are debating a pointless; well, point here. Does he have to bone behind his eye? Maybe, maybe not. I personally think we look into things to much on this forum. Some things are in fact NOT supposed to make sense you know. This is, a factitious comic world after all.

I don't know if he has the bone or not, but I'll co-sign on this....

Don't you know how to read the rules?

[i]Originally posted by Digimark007
The "No PIS" Rule

PIS = Plot Induced Stupidity

At times, for the sake of the plot, characters that are immensely more powerful than their opponent will "job" to carry on the plot of the story, even though the characters powers and history would clearly show that they are more than capable of destroying their opponent. For this reason we have a No PIS Rule. This rule prohibits the use of such instances of PIS from being used as evidence in debates.

[i]Originally posted by Digimark007
No Mentioning Events of PIS
Plot Induced Stupidity, or PIS, is when characters don't use their abilities or skills to the fullest extent as shown before, even within their personality ranges, for the sake of the story plotline. It makes lesser powered characters an actual challenge against higher powered characters in the comics. Examples of PIS include Flash stories lasting longer than three panels, or Toy Man as a threat to Superman.

Just because it happened itn a comic book doesn't mean its viable for use.

A characters origin something that indirectly comes up in every single damned appearance of the character is not the same thing as STUPID shit that occurs only once.

Originally posted by Starscream M
what??! lol

its in superman 217, he makes sure to fly at speeds/heights that don't cause sonic booms that will hurt people...

Originally posted by Creshosk
What the hell is wrong with you people?

Don't you know how to read the rules?

Just because it happened itn a comic book doesn't mean its viable for use.

A characters origin something that indirectly comes up in every single damned appearance of the character is not the same thing as STUPID shit that occurs only once.

lets say another ignorant writer decides to have logan shot through the eye because he also has no idea of the sphenoid bone, that you will accept that logan doesn't have a sphenoid bone?

Originally posted by Starscream M
so are you saying if the same stupidness occurs again, you'll accept it as canon?

lets say another ignorant writer decides to have logan shot through the eye because he also has no idea of the sphenoid bone, that you will accept that logan doesn't have a sphenoid bone?

Once or twice? "Pssh..."
Three times " That's really kinda iffy...
five times or more well its getting kinda hard to ignore.

But each piece of evidence to the contrary lowers the number of viable examples you have.

Originally posted by Starscream M
whether there is bone 'drawn' or not is disputable....I believe there is no bone, you see differently. What is indisputable is that logan got shot through the eye and the bullet entered the brain...that leads to 2 conclusions

1. either he doesn't have the sphenoid bone

or

2. his sphenoid wasnt coated with adamantium

I think 1 is the correct finding.

I'm not sure what stance I'm taking on this. It's a hard call.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Well aside from when I got tricked by a bad scan... what's this graveyard thing? pr1983

Originally posted by jinzin
I'm not sure what stance I'm taking on this. It's a hard call.

Originally posted by jinzin
When you had the scan altered to look like Wolverine was cutting Spidey in the graveyard fight.

😆

Now thats hilarious.

Originally posted by Starscream M
whether there is bone 'drawn' or not is disputable....I believe there is no bone, you see differently. What is indisputable is that logan got shot through the eye and the bullet entered the brain...that leads to 2 conclusions

1. either he doesn't have the sphenoid bone

or

2. his sphenoid wasnt coated with adamantium

I think 1 is the correct finding.

all the times logan fought the hulk, the concussions would have caused logan's brains to pop pout of his eye sockets if the bone was missing, and all the times he was subjected to low pressure environments, bad things would have happened to his brain.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
2 imo is a lot more logical/palatable, plus there is room to theorize it's absance.

all the times logan fought the hulk, the concussions would have caused logan's brains to pop pout of his eye sockets if the bone was missing, and all the times he was subjected to low pressure environments, bad things would have happened to his brain.

so I guess the consensus is 2 then?

Somehow Apoc was calculating and devious enough to make sure that Logan's sphenoid would not be bonded with adamantium, thereby ensuring an exploitable weakness/achilles heel if you will, for Apoc to use if the need ever came to be. Gotta give Poccy some cred 🙂

Originally posted by Starscream M
so I guess the consensus is 2 then?

Somehow Apoc was calculating and devious enough to make sure that Logan's sphenoid would not be bonded with adamantium, thereby ensuring an exploitable weakness/achilles heel if you will, for Apoc to use if the need ever came to be. Gotta give Poccy some cred 🙂

Originally posted by Raoul
actually, superman tends to calculate his speed so that it doesnt cause sonic booms...

Originally posted by Doctor-Alvis
He probably just catches all his sonic booms.

touche.

Originally posted by jinzin
When you had the scan altered to look like Wolverine was cutting Spidey in the graveyard fight.

😕

Originally posted by jinzin
No.. the consensus is that two is the more likely/plausible scenario out of the two that you gave in your FALSE DICHOTOMY. Whether of not this is really the case is up for debate given a third option of PIS coming into play.

Originally posted by jinzin
Okay well the blurryness of your scans notwithstanding, I had to go get the comic and look for myself also partially due to your past shenanigans.

Okay after having gone back and looked at that panel as well as several other peices of evidence including the instance where Wolverine's burned to a skeleton while fighting Sabretooth, I have to redirect my opinion here. There has CLEARLY been Adamantium depicted on panel receding into the eye socket. So I must RECONCEDE to the assertion that a bullet going into his brain was PIS..

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
just a question, isnt it possible scalphunter used a very high caliber gun, and the bullet destroyed his eye but the force of the bullet against his adamantium downed him (dazed him)???

And sniper bullets tend to be around 50 cal anyway.