The Midnighter vs. Wolverine

Originally posted by carver9
But the thing that you dont understand is that midnighter wouldnt know about this. In the fight he would think wolverine was truly unstoppable once he actually used all of his tricks on him and all of them failing. He would see that wolverine has an adamantium skull and he would realize that wolverine has an amazing healing factor.

Answer this, do you think that midnight would pull off the trick that you're saying bringing up without getting hit ONCE. You also need to realize this, thats all it would take it one swipe to slow midnighter down. He has a healing factor but there is no indication or showings that would make anyone think that he could walk through an adamantium swipe from wolverine, it will slow him down. Another thing, wolverine has so much on panel proof of dodging bullets that its ridiculous. He could dodge until he get close enough to midnight to make it a up close and personal fight where he has an complete advantage (remember, midnight cannot get hit throughout this entire fight or he's as good as dead).

Wolverine takes this and he takes this with a high majority. If you are a street leveler and you dont have a healing factor either comparable or slightly comparable then you shouldnt be put in a match against wolverine/sabertooth/nor deadpool, they're almost always at there prime throughout the entire fight WHILE taking damage.

Wolverine 8/10

My points about the comic book possibility of shooting into Logna's brain were some of principle not of forging an absolute argument in Midnighter's favour.

Originally posted by wannabe
If you'd have followed the thread, you'd have noticed, that i too gave Wolverine the majority of wins, and without Mid having a gun ready even a total of 10/10.

I was just making sure becuase this fight is almost lop sided. 😕

Originally posted by wannabe
I already said to Battlehammer, that this is absolutely correct in the real world, but we are looking at happenings in a comic book context. If we'd apply correct real world sciences for every feat of any character, we'd come to a point where almost none of them could do what they do EVEN considering their superpowers.
If someone would depict a character shooting Logan through his solid skull cap, i'd also complain and say it's plain stupid and impossible in any way. But when an artists use regular scientific facts and then stretch plausiblity a little (like they ALWAYS do), i have no problem with it ... otherwise i could stop reading comics.

Then stop equivocating your argument to be supported by "anatomical ABSOLUTELY NORMAL holes just like everyone elses" because it isn't....

If your argument is that everyone has the same holes then apply it to Wolverine in which case, arms fire isn't going into his head.
If your argument is that Wolverine's special then don't try and support the comic panels with real life anatomy because you're completely fraudulent in doing so.

The fact of the matter is that in order for Wolverine to be penetrated in the fashion he was in One's scans, he would have to have MASSIVE discrepancies with human anatomy... not just "a stretch" as you put it. And, if that was the case, one would assume it would have been mentioned by now.

Originally posted by wannabe
So feel free to stick to the application of precise real world science in order to back up your arguments, it's absolutely legitimit, but keep attention that you do it for EVERY feat for or against any caracter (including your favorits) in the future too.

Hey pot I'm just the kettle!

You're the one who just said everyone had the same holes that One's arguing to be penetrated by small arms fire.... they don't.

My argument isn't hinging on real world biology. Anatomy is only a part of the reason I call One's scans into doubt... My argument... if you had bothered to read my earlier post at all is about representation vs. representation.

You guys think that Wolverine being shot through these orifices is a good/acceptable representation of his anatomical structure, but then ignore and/or discard representations that are in direct contrast to that notion. Neither takes more precedence and neither has been presented in the majority so how can you come to any certain conclusions on this issue or simply assume that Wolverine's anatomy has mass differences to normal anatomy in spite of what's been mentioned about it on panel or in text?

If you're thinking critically, objectively, and rationally... you can't; it's that simple.

Originally posted by jinzin
Then stop equivocating your argument to be supported by "anatomical ABSOLUTELY NORMAL holes just like everyone elses" because it isn't....

Originally posted by jinzin
If your argument is that everyone has the same holes then apply it to Wolverine in which case, arms fire isn't going into his head.
If your argument is that Wolverine's special then don't try and support the comic panels with real life anatomy because you're completely fraudulent in doing so.

The fact of the matter is that in order for Wolverine to be penetrated in the fashion he was in One's scans, he would have to have MASSIVE discrepancies with human anatomy... not just "a stretch" as you put it. And, if that was the case, one would assume it would have been mentioned by now.

😂

Hey pot I'm just the kettle!

You're the one who just said everyone had the same holes that One's arguing to be penetrated by small arms fire.... they don't.

My argument isn't hinging on real world biology. Anatomy is only a part of the reason I call One's scans into doubt... My argument... if you had bothered to read my earlier post at all is about representation vs. representation.

You guys think that Wolverine being shot through these orifices is a good/acceptable representation of his anatomical structure, but then ignore and/or discard representations that are in direct contrast to that notion. Neither takes more precedence and neither has been presented in the majority so how can you come to any certain conclusions on this issue or simply assume that Wolverine's anatomy has mass differences to normal anatomy in spite of what's been mentioned about it on panel or in text?

If you're thinking critically, objectively, and rationally... you can't; it's that simple.

Originally posted by wannabe
I was simply pointing out that these holes are an anatomical normal fact and that everyone has them, which those i answered to obviously didn't know.

Originally posted by wannabe
I never stated that the comic-book-handling of those holes would be normal compared to the real world.

Originally posted by wannabe
In the course of this thread i already stated my point of view to everything you point out here and i don't feel the power to go on about that anymore. ❌
If to you it's bullsh*t to shoot Logan through whatever orifice of his skull even in a comic book, than so be it. For me it's as ok as Logan shredding steel due to his adamantium claws but actually lacking the strength needed for using them in this fashion, or Logan regenerating from massive tissue loss without adding the lost mass in advance, or Logan suffering forces that would easily rip whatever joint tissues without it actually doing so, and so on ...

You have two examples of Superman reacting to blue kryptonite.
One example he falls to the ground unable to move and about to die.
The other example has Superman swallow it down and crap it out without any effect whatsoever.

What takes precedence? How does one establish a "fact" in that scenario?
Because that's what we're looking at.

isn't there more evidence to support that wolverines brain is vulnerable?

Originally posted by Trackz
isn't there more evidence to support that wolverines brain is vulnerable?

and what does that have to do with this fight? 😕

Originally posted by Trackz
isn't there more evidence to support that wolverines brain is vulnerable?

Originally posted by Trackz
isn't there more evidence to support that wolverines brain is vulnerable?

Marvel obviously doesn't know that the eye socket isn't a straight pathway to the brain. That shows a lack of applying accurate real-life science on their part. But it doesn't stop it from being true to the fictional universe these characters inhabit. Otherwise, as most people here understand, you'd throw out a lot of what happens in a comic book. Selective cherry-picking isn't a legitimate argument. It's a logical fallacy. This isn't a debate. It's people complaining about how Wolverine happens to have a vulnerability. Is it stupid and illogical based on real-world science? Sure.

You know what's even stupider? Daxamites being killed in seconds from exposure to lead. For goodness sake, lead is a common element found throughout the universe. But it doesn't change the fact that lead has been demonstrated to kill Daxamites almost instantly. Stupid? Yes. Untrue in real-life? It would be. Untrue in a fictional comic-universe? No. Plainly. Same thing here.

Originally posted by carver9
[B]But the thing that you dont understand is that midnighter wouldnt know about this. In the fight he would think wolverine was truly unstoppable once he actually used all of his tricks on him and all of them failing. He would see that wolverine has an adamantium skull and he would realize that wolverine has an amazing healing factor.[/u]

Midnighter 8/10.

Powers/Abilities:
The Midnighter's physical and neural enhancements allow him to play a million variations of a fight through his head before the fight's even started. He can detect what, if any, super powers his opponent may have. Though his physical durability remains intact, the technology that powers his 'fight-computers' can be tampered with, rendering his offense precognition useless. Really if he is like this then He will eventually mess up and miss calculate and then get hurt. If he does hurt wolvy lol ya never going to happen then it is a drawn in my opinion but what the heck wolvy would win.

^ I don't know where you got that from, but it's not common knowledge that Midnighter has fight-computer enhancements built into him. And there are very few people who have found ways to tamper with it. So the chances that Wolverine does tamper with them is literally non-existent for this fight.

Midnighter 8/10.

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Logan 6/10

Originally posted by jinzin
And you're wrong in doing so because everyone DOES NOT HAVE HOLES IN THEIR HEAD AND UNDER THE CASE OF THEIR SKULL LARGE ENOUGH FOR SMALL ARMS FIRE TO PENETRATE were it made from Adamantium..... so no, everyone does not have them... it would be unique to Wolverine's case. 😐
So once again, please stop equivolcating your argument to real world human biology/anatomy when they don't support you.

on topic:
Still Logan ftw.

damn right logan for the win..... 😠

no almagam version of batman with his homo erotic undertone and wolverine gruff attitude can beat the original straight logan aka james howlett

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
no almagam version of batman with his homo erotic undertone and wolverine gruff attitude can beat the original straight logan aka james howlett

Originally posted by Estacado
Midnighter vs Tanks
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Originally posted by wannabe
do i hear a little too much homophobia here?!

no i was being a smart@$$ 😛 i have no problems with gays i have a friend whose friends is a gay theirs nothing wrong with that, hell i call my brother gay all the time clearly no homophopia here. 🙄

tell me are you straight as and arrow? 😉

Originally posted by Juntai

the tank moment was a complete rip off of logan's comic when he went to russia to finish of his assassination assignment "terry adams" in issue #65-68 vol.2 of wolverine.