Originally posted by Lord Urizen
This is totally irrelevant to the point. I said I am pretty certain that everyone who was thrown in the Concentration Camps prayed to be released without harm and shown mercy. The majority of their prayers were not answered.
However, you are making the mistake of thinking that an answer means "yes" and not "no" or "wait."
Thanks to the efforts of the United States, Russia, and the remainder of Europe. Why does God take credit for all the good things, but takes no responsbility for all the evils that occur ?
The fact that the Holocaust endured as long as it did, leads me to draw one of two conclusions:1) God was powerless to stop it, due to either a limit of power he possesses or to the fact that he doesn't exist.
2) God did have the power to stop it, but just sat and watched instead.
Is that another threat? I don't worship a god who makes threats... ❌
Originally posted by Nellinator
I hope the rapture occurs in your lifetime and that you realize the truth.
Wow...that's very NICE of you to wish that upon me....typically Christian... 🙄
Sounds like another threat...what is with all these threats ? 😕
How do you plan to convert me to your little myth? Through FEAR ? Won't work....
Originally posted by Nellinator
It won't be too late to repent though. That's the good news. In fact it says that people will come to Christ in unbelievable numbers.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Wow...that's very [b]NICE of you to wish that upon me....typically Christian... 🙄Sounds like another threat...what is with all these threats ? 😕
How do you plan to convert me to your little myth? Through FEAR ? Won't work.... [/B]
Originally posted by Nellinator
Actually, I meant it in a good way. Eternity in heaven for seven year of turmoil. Compared to eternity in hell for this lifetime. I didn't intend it as a threat. In fact, I wish you would come to Christ on your own before then so that you get the best way out.
You claim that you truly wish I could be on the side of Christ, yet you have made no effort to convince me that you are right, and I am wrong. Throwing biblical quotes at me and making judgments on me, even though you know very little about me, will only push me farther and farther away.
What part do you not get? I know what you beleive, and I understand the consequences of not beleiving if you HAPPEN to be right....but i am not convinced that you are right, because you, like every other Christian can supply no proof of your assertions, only your belief.
I am glad you beleive what you beleive, and no offense, but everything you and other Christian Fundamentalists claim sounds like total BS to me....
Try to see it from my perspective for ONE SECOND okay? I used to be Christian...I was raised Catholic and used to beleive in Christ. I was MISERABLY in my time of worship...i was never happy in the time of my life where I strongly beleived in God. I am much happier now...is that a coincidense? who knows...there's more....
I read online forums, i read the newspapers, I watch preachers on TV, and the majority of what I see is prejudice....prejudice, hypocrisy, ignorance, and lack of logic that represents the Christian Faith....that's the # 1 reason I don't beleive.
Number 2- I know other truths that Christianity will claim is false....I see numerous contradictions within the Bible, and within the realm of Christian Faith in this country as well....there is NO clarity, only confusion...atleast from my view.
I am perfectly fine with who I am now, and what my plans are. I have no regret or sorrow for what, who, and how I am. I am not evil, I wish no one harm, I only wish to live my life, be happy, find love, and share my happiness with everyone I love....I dont believe that I am subject to eternal hellfire, and having pineapples shoved up my anus....i laugh at you when you try to convince me otherwise....
And most of all, HOW DO YOU KNOW that I am not on Christ's side? For all you know, I MAY BE MORE LIKE CHRIST than you or JIA ever will be.....LOVE is the center of Christ, LOVE is the point to what Jesus was trying to teach, and I am a very very very very loving, tolerant, and non prejudice person.....i can't seem to make the same characterization of people like you and JIA.... ❌
I just find it funny how you and JIA beleive a mere BOOK will make you more like Christ...especially an outdated book, filled with contradiction and confusion.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
You claim that you truly wish I could be on the side of Christ, yet you have made no effort to convince me that you are right, and I am wrong. Throwing biblical quotes at me and making judgments on me, even though you know very little about me, will only push me farther and farther away.What part do you not get? I know what you beleive, and I understand the consequences of not beleiving if you HAPPEN to be right....but i am not convinced that you are right, because you, like every other Christian can supply no proof of your assertions, only your belief.
I am glad you beleive what you beleive, and no offense, but everything you and other Christian Fundamentalists claim sounds like total BS to me....
Try to see it from my perspective for ONE SECOND okay? I used to be Christian...I was raised Catholic and used to beleive in Christ. I was MISERABLY in my time of worship...i was never happy in the time of my life where I strongly beleived in God. I am much happier now...is that a coincidense? who knows...there's more....
I read online forums, i read the newspapers, I watch preachers on TV, and the majority of what I see is prejudice....prejudice, hypocrisy, ignorance, and lack of logic that represents the Christian Faith....that's the # 1 reason I don't beleive.
Number 2- I know other truths that Christianity will claim is false....I see numerous contradictions within the Bible, and within the realm of Christian Faith in this country as well....there is NO clarity, only confusion...atleast from my view.
I am perfectly fine with who I am now, and what my plans are. I have no regret or sorrow for what, who, and how I am. I am not evil, I wish no one harm, I only wish to live my life, be happy, find love, and share my happiness with everyone I love....I dont believe that I am subject to eternal hellfire, and having pineapples shoved up my anus....i laugh at you when you try to convince me otherwise....
And most of all, [b]HOW DO YOU KNOW
that I am not on Christ's side? For all you know, I MAY BE MORE LIKE CHRIST than you or JIA ever will be.....LOVE is the center of Christ, LOVE is the point to what Jesus was trying to teach, and I am a very very very very loving, tolerant, and non prejudice person.....i can't seem to make the same characterization of people like you and JIA.... ❌I just find it funny how you and JIA beleive a mere BOOK will make you more like Christ...especially an outdated book, filled with contradiction and confusion. [/B]
On another note, you do not seem to be very happy, mostly because you express yourself as angry and extremely impatient. Also, I failed to see you show love towards anyone since near your first few weeks on the forum. In fact you are very prejudiced against Christians. I understand why. And your reason is the same as many other non-believers. Hypocrisy is an evil that has existed in the Church for far too long. I wish that you had been raised around good Christians who lived by the Word.
Originally posted by Nellinator
I can say that you aren't on Christ's side because have already stated that you are against him and whoever is not for him is against him.
WHEN DID I EVER STATE I WAS AGAINST CHRIST ? I don't believe in Heaven or Hell...but I respect Christ's teachings very much, and I happen to think he is a wondorful influence and a great person in History...among others...
Originally posted by Nellinator
On another note, you do not seem to be very happy, mostly because you express yourself as angry and extremely impatient.
Ignorance and Close mindedness pisses me off like you will never understand.....and that is because it FLOURISHES SO GREATLY in this fkn world !
I am happy with MYSELF.... But I am NOT happy with the majority of society....and i hate continuing to see the rapid hypocrisy that exists especially in a foundation that claims to be based on LOVE and TRUTH !
How would you feel if you were hated for being who you are ? No, not just challenged...i CHALLENGE you Christians, but i dont HATE you...i am not telling you how to LIVE YOUR LIFE, i am telling you to STOP TELLING ME HOW TO LIVE MINE !
What would you do if someone was not only trying to LIMIT your freedom, but make you out to be this bad unclean person, and THEN try and pass laws to take away your rights as a human being !
Well...that's what Christian Fundamentalists are doing to Homosexuals and Bisexuals by and large ! The SOCIAL STIGMA and PREJUDICE that exists against people like me, is due in LARGE FKN PART to Christianity !
Because of CHRISTIANITY, because of YOUR ORGANIZED FAITH:
1) I am looked at as an "abnormal" "unclean" and "different" person by many who share the Christian Fundmentalist ideals...
2) My family has a hard time admitting to ANYONE that i am not straight....can you imagine that ? WHEN Your OWN FAMILY can't get used to who you are, because this "religion" bullshit convinces them that there is something WRONG with you?
3) And on TOP of all that....If I fall in love, with a GUY, i cant even MARRY HIM in states where religious influence dominates...so why all these flawed men and women have thier little marriages and divorces LEFT AND RIGHT, I can't get married to my boyfreind IN NEW YORK...because we are both men....despite the fact that I love him, despite the fact that he loves me back, despite the fact that we are the only people who understand each other, we CANT HAVE THAT because "marriage is only for men and women"
Originally posted by Nellinator
In fact you are very prejudiced against Christians.
No I am not ❌ My family is Christian, and so are most of my freinds...and they love me very much... why would i be prejudice against people that I love ?
My favorite ROLE MODEL happens to be Christian...Mother Teresa...
My favorite singer happens to be Christian....Beyonce.....
Originally posted by Nellinator
I understand why. And your reason is the same as many other non-believers. Hypocrisy is an evil that has existed in the Church for far too long. I wish that you had been raised around good Christians who lived by the Word.
I HAVE BEEN RAISED around GOOD CHRISTIANS.....I am still open to the idea of a God..i am AGNOSTIC NOT ATHIEST...and I still admire Jesus Teachings of love....the way I admire Buddha's and Mother Teresa's.....
But Christianity as a WHOLE IS FLAWED....and i DO NOT BELEIVE IN A PREJUDICE, ANGRY, WRATHFUL, JEALOUS, IMMATURE GOD....
In my mind, wrath and jealousy, prejudice and judgement are FLAWS....HUMAN FLAWS....no Perfect Diety will possess them...
You cannot LOVE someone that you are willing to PUNISH....especially for all eternity....its bullshit to the highest degree, and the fact that you don't see that AMAZES ME !
Any hatred directed towards you is wrong. It is hypocrisy a Christian to hate you and I regret that you were ever treated that way. God is not prejudiced, or else salvation would not be open to anyone. If God sat around and never acted or interceded the world would be far worse than it is now. God is wrathful because he cares about humanity. It is not impersonal as you see him. He wants to know you personally because he loves you.
Originally posted by Nellinator
Any hatred directed towards you is wrong. It is hypocrisy a Christian to hate you and I regret that you were ever treated that way. God is not prejudiced, or else salvation would not be open to anyone. If God sat around and never acted or interceded the world would be far worse than it is now. God is wrathful because he cares about humanity. It is not impersonal as you see him. He wants to know you personally because he loves you.
I appreciate how you dodged my points....I will over look that.
To say how you regret I was ever treated that way is very kind of you, but then it becomes further hypocrisy when you go and vote against Gay Marriage, try to put limits on Sexual/Romantic/Intimate freedom by siding with Anti-Gay organizations, and continue preaching how "being gay is a choice" and "being gay is a sin" when you really don't know anything about what it's like to be Gay....
That's straight out saying "Oh, I feel bad for you...I want you to be happy...but I will vote to limit your freedom, and still give bigots the ammunition they need to keep you down"
God is wrathful because he cares about humanity? Wrath is flaw...if God is wrathful, then he is flawed.
If God created me, then he does know me personally....if he really wanted an intimate relationship, then why has he never revealed himself to me? I used to beleive in him 100% for YEARS...how come he never showed himself to me?
Why has he allowed bigots and hypocrits to represent him ? Did he WANT me to turn away ?
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I appreciate how you dodged my points....I will over look that.To say how you regret I was ever treated that way is very kind of you, but then it becomes further hypocrisy when you go and vote against Gay Marriage, try to put limits on Sexual/Romantic/Intimate freedom by siding with Anti-Gay organizations, and continue preaching how "being gay is a choice" and "being gay is a sin" when you really don't know anything about what it's like to be Gay....
That's straight out saying "Oh, I feel bad for you...I want you to be happy...but I will vote to limit your freedom, and still give bigots the ammunition they need to keep you down"
God is wrathful because he cares about humanity? Wrath is flaw...if God is wrathful, then he is flawed.
If God created me, then he does know me personally....if he really wanted an intimate relationship, then why has he never revealed himself to me? I used to beleive in him 100% for YEARS...how come he never showed himself to me?
Why has he allowed bigots and hypocrits to represent him ? Did he WANT me to turn away ?
That said, let me pose a question to you. Why do you need to get married if you can be with him anyway?
Originally posted by Nellinator
I don't support and Anti-Gay organizations actually because most are full of bigoted idiots, but would vote against gay marriage if it ever came up in referendum in Canada (we don't get as many chances to vote as Americans, which really sucks). That being said, you need to understand that I already expressed a very different view on marriage than the one you are referring to. Check it out in the homosexuality thread if you want, but basically I believe that marriage should be seperate from the state.That said, let me pose a question to you. Why do you need to get married if you can be with him anyway?
I don't need to be, but why should straight couples be entitled to something, and me and my boyfreind be banned from sharing the same happiness ?
If me and my boyfreind shouldn't get married, then neither should anyone else.
I think marriage should be available to those who choose to acquire it.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I don't need to be, but why should straight couples be entitled to something, and me and my boyfreind be banned from sharing the same happiness ?If me and my boyfreind shouldn't get married, then neither should anyone else.
I think marriage should be available to those who choose to acquire it.
Originally posted by Nellinator
If you read my position on the matter you would see that I don't believe that marriage should be a right. Marriage should be a religious thing only. A binding of a couple by whatever definition their religion uses with no state benefits.
But Marriage preceded religion...and it definately preceded Christianity....
If they make a religion that is accepting of homosexuals, would you be fine if Gays got married then ?
I really don't wanna get off topic, but your reasoning seems to have a lot of loopholes in my opinion.
And in THAT CASE...Athiests should not be married either....
And, oh wait...What about Gay Christians ? And Gay Buddhists ? They are religious...should they get married ?
🙄 Why do you insist of the existance of a dichotomy between Homosexuality and Religion? Do you not realize that we are all human beings, and are essentially all the same ?
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
But Marriage preceded religion...and it definately preceded Christianity....If they make a religion that is accepting of homosexuals, would you be fine if Gays got married then ?
I really don't wanna get off topic, but your reasoning seems to have a lot of loopholes in my opinion.
And in THAT CASE...Athiests should not be married either....
And, oh wait...What about Gay Christians ? And Gay Buddhists ? They are religious...should they get married ?
🙄 Why do you insist of the existance of a dichotomy between Homosexuality and Religion? Do you not realize that we are all human beings, and are essentially all the same ?
Originally posted by Nellinator
I would be fine if gays got married in a religion outside Christianity. Christian marriage is a man and women united under God. And no atheists should not get married it is pointless to them too. Gay Christians should not get married and gay Buddhists could potentially get married outside Christianity. We are all human beings which is why married couples should not get extra rights over homosexuals. That is not God's design for marriage.
If same-sex couples were fighting for the right to be married in a Christian church, you might have an argument. As it is, same-sex couples are fighting for the right to have their relationships recognized by the government.