Originally posted by carver9
Show me flash moving at light speed against Superman. It never happened and when it did he left him in the dust.What villian did goku fight that didnt show any super speed before their fight? Every villian that Goku has fought showed speed before facing Goku.
Show me a Doomsday speed feat. Superman said the same thing about Deathstroke and Darkseid AND lobo. Superman vibrating through a bricks attack isnt much more impressive than Goku, not even close and its a one time high end feat for Superman. The writer made the book for fun so that he can show Superman doing something similar to dragonball. Superman has never done the things that I've mentioned and if he did, show it to me. Show me these energy dodging feats besides that one high end feat that you showed me.
Do you honestly believe that Superman can dodge blast like this? Fast forward it to 1 minute and 33 seconds.
1. Again, where did I say anything about Flash moving at light speed? And this doesn't mean that Superman himself can't move at lightspeed.
2. Well Tao didn't. Vegeta didn't. Heck, I don't think Kid Buu did. There's probably more than that.
3. Besides the one I showed you? Why? You can't accept that feat or something?
Also, here's a pic of him knocking a beam away:
http://img99.imageshack.us/i/stopsabeamqi1.jpg/
You once again posted a video where someone sped up the fight. Really, just use the manga from now on.
As for what you asked for in the post, here's something similar:
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/9558/supermanandmongul8pr.jpg
Originally posted by Tyrant
I'm pretty sure Batman has tooled both Superman and Wonder Woman. By that precedent, I conclude that Captain America (who is slightly faster than Batman) would perform in a similar fashion. Prove me wrong.Gonna report me now? 😂
That mostly involved prep on Batman's part though.
Originally posted by Tyrant
Hell yeah, son.Check this:
Now tell me that Cap wouldn't put up a good fight against Supes.
Only because of his jobber aura.
Originally posted by Bro SMASH
1. Again, where did I say anything about Flash moving at light speed? And this doesn't mean that Superman himself can't move at lightspeed.2. Well Tao didn't. Vegeta didn't. Heck, I don't think Kid Buu did. There's probably more than that.
3. Besides the one I showed you? Why? You can't accept that feat or something?
Also, here's a pic of him knocking a beam away:
http://img99.imageshack.us/i/stopsabeamqi1.jpg/
You once again posted a video where someone sped up the fight. Really, just use the manga from now on.
As for what you asked for in the post, here's something similar:
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/9558/supermanandmongul8pr.jpg
Again, you cant use flash as a reference that Superman can move at light speed. If thats the case, EVERYONE in DC has light speed reaction since flash has fought and been tagged by almost everyone.
Everyone that you named demostrated super speed. 😕
Its not that I cant accept it, you put up a scan of Superman blitzing someone that was weakening. Thats like me putting up Superman being blitzed by Zod when he was affected by K-nite.
Thats not him knocking a beam away. Thats him seeing a beem from space, meeting up with it before it hit the audience. 😕
Again, can you show me Superman using fast reflexes to knock beams out of the air like Goku has continuously done?
That fight wasnt sped up and I dont have scans of manga and also, this is a anime forum so I dont see anything wrong with me posting vids.
So him fighting Mongul is similar to the Goku and Frieza fight? This is a serious question that I am asking. Do you really believe this?
Do you know what a super speed fight is? Would you like for me to show you flash doing it?
Originally posted by carver9
Again, you cant use flash as a reference that Superman can move at light speed. If thats the case, EVERYONE in DC has light speed reaction since flash has fought and been tagged by almost everyone.Everyone that you named demostrated super speed. 😕
Its not that I cant accept it, you put up a scan of Superman blitzing someone that was weakening. Thats like me putting up Superman being blitzed by Zod when he was affected by K-nite.
Thats not him knocking a beam away. Thats him seeing a beem from space, meeting up with it before it hit the audience. 😕
Again, can you show me Superman using fast reflexes to knock beams out of the air like Goku has continuously done?
That fight wasnt sped up and I dont have scans of manga and also, this is a anime forum so I dont see anything wrong with me posting vids.
So him fighting Mongul is similar to the Goku and Frieza fight? This is a serious question that I am asking. Do you really believe this?
Do you know what a super speed fight is? Would you like for me to show you flash doing it?
1. Carver, I'm gonna ask you one more time; where did I say anything about Flash moving at lightspeed?
2. Not prior to their fight with Goku.
3. He was only weakening after Superman started punching him, which happened after Supes was vibrating through his hits.
4. And what did he do when he met the beam? That's right, he knocked it away. 😐
5. That fight WAS sped up. I've seen that fight on TV before, it was never that fast and since you seem like you can't post the fights with their normal speed, I think it's best you use the manga. It's the original canon source anyway.
6. 😐 You said it didn't have to look like the fight you posted. Also, I wouldn't be surprise that your definition of a superspeed fight is someone throwing random punches and kicks at superspeed. It's not like Superman can't do that.
Here's Superman deflecting beams. 🙄
http://img515.imageshack.us/i/speedblitzor1.jpg/
How can people think Goku is faster just because he's fighting very fast and claim that he's light speed without any proven facts, while at the same time denying Superman being FTL speeds when he has shown being that fast countless of times? How fast was Goku fighting against Vegeta (Sayian saga), Freeza, Cell, and Buu? In those fights they show him fighting fast, but at what speed? The best shown speed feat in DBZ is Gotenks flying around the planet a lot of times the span of 20 or so mins. Superman trumps that easily. Goku isn't even faster than Gotenks, so him being faster than Superman is doubtful.
Superman travels from Metropolis to france before lois can finish her sentence, that beats any speed feat Goku has shown. People are saying that Superman is to slow and can't hit Goku, someone who's than him. Prove it? Superman is faster than those energy blasts Goku has been show dodging. Show Superman having a hard time hitting anyone that's not Flash? He's never been shown having difficulty hitting anyone that wasn't Flash, and if he's fighting someone with superspeed moving faster than him, often speeds up. Doomsday and Subjekt (both have superspeed) were moving faster than him at first, so he increased his speed mid battle fighting them. He could easily do the same thing to Goku.
Goku doesn't have nearly enough strength to fight with Superman physically. Goku have only a few strength feats shown, and none of them are remotely close to Supes lowest showing of strength. Goku has been shown training at 10x-100x normal gravity and lifting 40 tons. How can anyone think that he's stronger and fight with him h2h? Goku causes minor shockwaves when he does battle right?
Superman casually throw or tank attacks that sends him or his foe across the globe or into orbit and he has enough strength to destroy a planet. It's like putting a heavy (Superman) weight against a Feather weight (Goku), Superman can make some mistakes and take a few shots from Goku. Superman will Goku's attacks, but none will be all that threatning to cause severe damage. Goku will have to fight a perfect fight, because if he gets hit he's going to be in serious trouble. Even if he blocks Superman attacks, he's going to be in a lot of pain.
Superman has taken a hell of a lot more energy type attacks than Goku, so if I was to pick who's more durable in terms taking energy blasts it will be Superman. If anyone thinks Goku is going to toss around energy blasts all day they are mistaken, it takes a lot more energy out them and Superman will probably just dodge, tank or deflect them away anyways. If Goku starts charging up planetary blasts and actaully hits Superman with the attack, Superman will feel pain, but it won't put him away and cause severe damage, he's soaked up far more threatning attacks than Goku's kamehameha wave. I think Superman with HV or CB could easily finish Goku, he's never been shown to have strong resistance to heat or cold attacks or any other forms of attacks that wasn't ki base and most of the time he's shown dodging ki attacks.
Originally posted by dvampire
Here's Superman deflecting beams. 🙄http://img515.imageshack.us/i/speedblitzor1.jpg/
How can people think Goku is faster just because he's fighting very fast and claim that he's light speed without any proven facts, while at the same time denying Superman being FTL speeds when he has shown being that fast countless of times? How fast was Goku fighting against Vegeta (Sayian saga), Freeza, Cell, and Buu? In those fights they show him fighting fast, but at what speed? The best shown speed feat in DBZ is Gotenks flying around the planet a lot of times the span of 20 or so mins. Superman trumps that easily. Goku isn't even faster than Gotenks, so him being faster than Superman is doubtful.
Superman travels from Metropolis to france before lois can finish her sentence, that beats any speed feat Goku has shown. People are saying that Superman is to slow and can't hit Goku, someone who's than him. Prove it? Superman is faster than those energy blasts Goku has been show dodging. Show Superman having a hard time hitting anyone that's not Flash? He's never been shown having difficulty hitting anyone that wasn't Flash, and if he's fighting someone with superspeed moving faster than him, often speeds up. Doomsday and Subjekt (both have superspeed) were moving faster than him at first, so he increased his speed mid battle fighting them. He could easily do the same thing to Goku.
Goku doesn't have nearly enough strength to fight with Superman physically. Goku have only a few strength feats shown, and none of them are remotely close to Supes lowest showing of strength. Goku has been shown training at 10x-100x normal gravity and lifting 40 tons. How can anyone think that he's stronger and fight with him h2h? Goku causes minor shockwaves when he does battle right?
Superman casually throw or tank attacks that sends him or his foe across the globe or into orbit and he has enough strength to destroy a planet. It's like putting a heavy (Superman) weight against a Feather weight (Goku), Superman can make some mistakes and take a few shots from Goku. Superman will Goku's attacks, but none will be all that threatning to cause severe damage. Goku will have to fight a perfect fight, because if he gets hit he's going to be in serious trouble. Even if he blocks Superman attacks, he's going to be in a lot of pain.
Superman has taken a hell of a lot more energy type attacks than Goku, so if I was to pick who's more durable in terms taking energy blasts it will be Superman. If anyone thinks Goku is going to toss around energy blasts all day they are mistaken, it takes a lot more energy out them and Superman will probably just dodge, tank or deflect them away anyways. If Goku starts charging up planetary blasts and actaully hits Superman with the attack, Superman will feel pain, but it won't put him away and cause severe damage, he's soaked up far more threatning attacks than Goku's kamehameha wave. I think Superman with HV or CB could easily finish Goku, he's never been shown to have strong resistance to heat or cold attacks or any other forms of attacks that wasn't ki base and most of the time he's shown dodging ki attacks.
I can name at least 3 times Superman was out sped during combat. I already posted scans of this numerous of times. I'll just post one more.
http://i42.tinypic.com/iejh4x.jpg
You are saying Superman is stronger? It took the entire krypton race to move earths moon back into orbit. Hell, it took 3 kryptonians to stop brainiacs ship and they still failed.
http://www.imagebam.com/image/ff013278609532/
You are saying that Superman is more durable. WOW.
http://www.imagebam.com/image/ec6b1278609620/
I can also post him getting blitzed by Zod which resulted in his jaw getting broken.
I already know about Superman amazing flight and again, no one here is saying that he is slow (except Tyrant) but again, he hasnt demonstrated speeds on DBZ level. We gave you feats that put Goku above the speed of light. Outracing a nuclear blast; catching a kamehameha that has feats of going light speed. You discredit these feats.
I can also bring or show you a scan of Superman ADMITTING that someone is faster than him but lady shiva end up keeping up with him during combat, suceeding at something Superman failed at.
Goku would STOMP Superman.
