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Nevertheless Cell's powered up form (still 1st form) dominates him.
However 16 us able to take on Cell.
Until he absorbs 17 and one-shots him.
After a day (year) in the Room of Time and Spirit Vegeta makes a joke out of Cell 2nd form.
Vegeta and Trunks will train for another day (year) in the Room of Time and Spirit before entering the Cell games.
Yet Vegeta is barely able to keep up with a Cell Jr.
Which Gohan effortlessly one-shots.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Yeah, yeah, we've all heard this spiel. A is stronger than B who is stronger than C who is stronger than D who is stronger than E, etc. All meaningless unless you can quantify how much stronger.
Or you have a little bit of common sense.
I'd say Low Level Kryptonians are, at the most, Captain Ginyu level. Black Lightning isn't powerful enough to one shot Captain Ginyu, and you won't see Hawkman going toe to toe with him any time soon.
Though, that'd only put Superman at Form 1 Frieza level. Not that it's a bad thing, Form 1 Frieza is, after all, powerful enough to level a planet easily. That'd make him one of the three most powerful DC villains on Earth.
Originally posted by Kevin GarnettBlack Lightning? The guy that can use specific kinds of radiation including the ones that Kryptonians are weak against? Hawkman can go toe to toe with low level kryptonians but he's a ant to Superman.
Or you have a little bit of common sense.I'd say Low Level Kryptonians are, at the most, Captain Ginyu level. Black Lightning isn't powerful enough to one shot Captain Ginyu, and you won't see Hawkman going toe to toe with him any time soon.
Though, that'd only put Superman at Form 1 Frieza level. Not that it's a bad thing, Form 1 Frieza is, after all, powerful enough to level a planet easily. That'd make him one of the three most powerful DC villains on Earth.
I'd say Low Level Kryptonians are, at the most, Captain Ginyu level. Black Lightning isn't powerful enough to one shot Captain Ginyu, and you won't see Hawkman going toe to toe with him any time soon.
When Black lightning couldn't hurt Kryptonians with his normal lightning only lightning which mimicked red sun radiation. Also the scene changed immediately afterward so we never saw the effect of the attack.
Hawk man didn't hurt any Kryptonians with his mace and it broke on Gor's face. The same Gor who one shotted Hal and John Stewart at the same time.
I repeat Hawkman never did any damage to a Kryptonian.
Originally posted by Galvaclaw
When Black lightning couldn't hurt Kryptonians with his normal lightning only lightning which mimicked red sun radiation. Also the scene changed immediately afterward so we never saw the effect of the attack.
False, Black Lightning merely changed his lightning red. There's nothing in the comic about "mimicked red sun radiation," so please keep this discussion fan fiction free in the future, thanks.
Originally posted by GalvaclawHawk man didn't hurt any Kryptonians with his mace and it broke on Gor's face. The same Gor who one shotted Hal and John Stewart at the same time.
That's quite the nifty Zarbon level feat there.
Originally posted by Galvaclaw
I repeat Hawkman never did any damage to a Kryptonian.
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Also false, guys in obvious pain there.
Also false, guys in obvious pain there.
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That expression could just as easily be surprise. There's no blood or even a bruise. So no evidence that Gor was damaged.
False, Black Lightning merely changed his lightning red. There's nothing in the comic about "mimicked red sun radiation," so please keep this discussion fan fiction free in the future, thanks.
You need it be spelled out for you? You know as well as me what was intended by Black Lightning's dialogue. Krptonians are weakened by red light and Black Lightning shifted his normally infective attacks to red to fight a Krytonian. Hmm what could that mean. I'd also like to see the scan where it shows the Kryptonian defeated.
Though, that'd only put Superman at Form 1 Frieza level. Not that it's a bad thing, Form 1 Frieza is, after all, powerful enough to level a planet easily. That'd make him one of the three most powerful DC villains on Earth.
Well with Black Adam a statue, Doomsday dead, Despero off Earth, Darkseid dead and Braniac on Colu there is a lack of powerful villains on Earth.
Subjekt 17 isn't really a villain and currently the Lantern's corps are at peace removing Sinestro and Atrocitus.
So yeah I guess Frieza would be number three after the two zooms. Maybe four if you include Kyhber with his vastly superior strength but he's not really active.
Originally posted by Galvaclaw
Opinions...
Why not just admit to being wrong instead of making yourself look like a goofball?
Originally posted by Galvaclaw
You need it be spelled out for you?
Yep, I go based off what's actually in the source, not some fanboy excuses that aren't stated/implied.
Originally posted by Galvaclaw
Well with Black Adam a statue, Doomsday dead, Despero off Earth, Darkseid dead and Braniac on Colu there is a lack of powerful villains on Earth.
Frieza > Doomsday, Darkseid, Brainiac and Black Adam.
Originally posted by Galvaclaw
So yeah I guess Frieza would be number three after the two zooms. Maybe four if you include Kyhber with his vastly superior strength but he's not really active. [/B]
Frieza > Khyber.
Also, Zoom has only been > Frieza as he was written during Blitz. I've seen Damage beat his ass, he's a punk nowadays.
And this changes the fact that if he was from DC Earth, he'd be one of the 5 most powerful people on the planet (especially on the villain side of things), how, exactly?
Hells no. I'd doubt he's in the top ten. Because the top five would be Spectre, Zoom II, Professor Zoom, Bary Allen and Wally west. With the order of the speedsters being debatable.
Then we have Superman who feat wise is leagues above Frieza.
Originally posted by Kevin Garnett
Sure, Frieza can destroy the planet Earth pretty easily with his index finger.Brainiac probably would have done such already if he could have.
Advantage Frieza.
You do realise when I say Braniac I mean Braniac and his ship. I would give Frieza the win over current Braniac. Braniac has superior strength but lacks any durability showings.
Braniac in his ship is a casual star buster. Frieza is not one.
Frieza's more powerful than the speedsters, kid.
They hit harder, move faster and can turn him into a statue via speed steal. So no. Unless you have some scans to disprove this
Originally posted by Galvaclaw
You do realise when I say Braniac I mean Braniac and his ship. I would give Frieza the win over current Braniac. Braniac has superior strength but lacks any durability showings.
Okay, when I say Brainiac, I mean Brainiac.
And Brainiac might be stronger than Frieza, but Frieza has the shit kicked out of him everywhere else.
Originally posted by Galvaclaw
They hit harder, move faster and can turn him into a statue via speed steal. So no. Unless you have some scans to disprove this [/B]
They don't hit harder than Frieza, Frieza can level a planet pretty easily, that's far more punch than the Flash's can deliver. Frieza has turned actual speedsters into statues with his raw speed and actually abuses the power quite frequently, so I don't get the point you're trying to make there.
There's also durability, skill, actual formidability and other things to take account for.