ANIME Fighters VS AMERICAN Superheros

They don't hit harder than Frieza

Okay, when I say Brainiac, I mean Brainiac. And Brainiac
might be stronger than Frieza, but Frieza has the shit kicked out of him everywhere else.

Well there we are we common ground.

Frieza has turned actual speedsters into statues with his raw speed and actually abuses the power quite frequently, so I don't get the point you're trying to make there.

Speedster's which move at a tiny fraction of Flash's speed. Frieza is not fast enough to hit the Flash's going all out.

There's also durability, skill, actual formidability and other things to take account for.

I agree Frieza has greater durability. However when has Frieza shown skill ever? He's never needed it. Goku was the first being to push him to his limits.

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
Zoom has been quoted as hitting harder than Superman. You know Superman who knocks people into orbit, across the solar system and breaks reality with his fists. Also Infinite mass punch.

Yeah, Superman isn't destroying a planet any time soon with any of his powers. And what about "Infinite Mass Punch"? Flash's most powerful attack might be more powerful than Frieza's effortless energy projection? That's your argument?

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
Speedster's which move at a tiny fraction of Flash's speed. Frieza is not fast enough to hit the Flash's going all out.

Frieza is, however, fast enough to hit the Flashes when they are portrayed in actual character.

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
I agree Frieza has greater durability. However when has Frieza shown skill ever? He's never needed it. Goku was the first being to push him to his limits. [/B]

He's shown skill in every one of his fights, you must not know what skill is. Skill is the reason why it's harder to hit Final Form Frieza than it is to hit Flash.

Yeah, Superman isn't destroying a planet any time soon with any of his powers. And what about "Infinite Mass Punch"? Flash's most powerful attack might be more powerful than Frieza's effortless energy projection? That's your argument?

That Frieza can be hurt by Goku and at the very least Zoom II unquestionably hits harder than Goku. Also takes much more energy to move a planet than destroy one (yes post crisis Superman has moved the Earth). I can quote figures if you wish.

Frieza is, however, fast enough to hit the Flashes when they are portrayed in actual character.

In character usually translates to: " While the other character has ample feats to show he's more powerful than the one I'm supporting. I'll reject them because otherwise I'd lose."

Unless your argument is Flash would lose against Freiza if he only used a faction of speed and wasn't really paying attention. Then yes Frieza would beat that Flash.

He's shown skill in every one of his fights, you must not know what skill is. Skill is the reason why it's harder to hit Final Form Frieza than it is to hit Flash.

Skill would be the ability to beat those stronger than him due to superior fighting ability. Lets see scans of that. I'll wait...

It's not like Krillin and Gohan were capable of hitting him despite being much much slower...

Note: krillin is skilled Namek saga Gohan is not.

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
That Frieza can be hurt by Goku and at the very least Zoom II unquestionably hits harder than Goku.

I'd say Zoom II hits harder than Goku at that point in the series, no way on God's green earth is he near a Full Power Super Saiyan though.

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
I can quote figures if you wish.

I don't really care about your figures or anything, Superman simply doesn't actually hit hard enough to destroy planets. Frieza can easily level planets, because, well, he's more powerful than Superman. Want to see a figure?

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That's the amount of scans that you can produce of Superman destroying a planet.

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
In character usually translates to: " While the other character has ample feats to show he's more powerful than the one I'm supporting. I'll reject them because otherwise I'd lose."

No, in character translates to "the way the character is actually portrayed in the source."

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
Skill would be the ability to beat those stronger than him due to superior fighting ability.

htp://ww.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/skill

"1 obsolete : cause, reason
2 a : the ability to use one's knowledge effectively and readily in execution or performance b : dexterity or coordination especially in the execution of learned physical tasks
3 : a learned power of doing something competently : a developed aptitude or ability"

I just linked you to the official definition of skill and provided you with the entry so you don't even have to click on the link. It's blatantly you obviously don't know what skill is, thank me later.

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
It's not like Krillin and Gohan were capable of hitting him despite being much much slower...

Note: krillin is skilled Namek saga Gohan is not. [/B]

Gohan is skilled in the Namek Saga. Gohan spent a year doing hardcore martial arts training with the best fighter on the planet, then spent several months training with Krillin. He's plenty skilled, that's more on-panel training than I've seen Captain America receive, for notation.

Oh, and once Frieza transformed into his final stage, they couldn't even see him move in live motion. Pic, Gohan and Krillin blitzing him at the same time couldn't even get him to leave his position.

is an argument being made that DBZ characters are faster than the Flash or Zoom?

The argument being made is that the Flashes rarely move much faster than the Z fighters in the first place.

Flash moves as fast as he needs to.

It is impossible to move faster than zoom. Ever. Simply because of his powerset

Okay, yeah, and well, who cares about moving faster than Zoom when Frieza could just sodomize him with a wooden splinter?

Originally posted by Kevin Garnett
Okay, yeah, and well, who cares about moving faster than Zoom when Frieza could just sodomize him with a wooden splinter?

It's a good thing we're referring to Frieza when he was alive, no?

Originally posted by Kevin Garnett
It's a good thing we're referring to Frieza when he was alive, no?

Who was the last person Zoom speed killed in moments?

Originally posted by Kevin Garnett
Who was the last person Zoom speed killed in moments?

When?

Originally posted by Kevin Garnett
When?

He was beating his ass for a good while thought in apparently under a second

Pretty sure he killed some b rank heroes in infite crisis though after the shit hit the fan

Oh, so he didn't kill him, why would you lie?

BTW, Frieza would have ruthlessly destroyed Uncle Sam's wack ass team, easily.

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Kinda hard to do that when your dead.

Why are people so dead-set on thinking DBZ characters can't be toppled? You can't hit what you can't see and no one in DBZ is fast enough to see Flash or Zoom.

Originally posted by Kevin Garnett
Oh, so he didn't kill him, why would you lie?

BTW, Frieza would have ruthlessly destroyed Uncle Sam's wack ass team, easily.

And of course freiza would but that isnt the point

Logically he didn't kill him and you straight up lied about it.

Also, Frieza's a bit more powerful than Flash, so I don't see Zoom tossing him around the planet. Frieza's also more powerful than Damage and Liberty Bell, so odds are, he'd end Zoom.

Originally posted by marwash22
lulz. win.

Why are people so dead-set on thinking DBZ characters can't be toppled? You can't hit what you can't see and no one in DBZ is fast enough to see Flash or Zoom.

What gives you this idea? People believing Goku is leagues more powerful than someone like Superman means he can't be toppled? How's that work? Superman's un-toppleable?