Originally posted by Kevin Garnett
No, I asked you a point blank question and you skirted the issue, I'd like a number of scans posted to change your opinion. If you don't provide a number in the next post, you might as well not even post.
That's about the last sentence by myself being addressed to you, if you aren't going to change your opinion no matter how much evidence is presented against you because you're a blind and irrational fanboy, then just admit to it and move on. I don't want any side banter, or nonsensical logic, I just want either a number or admission to your blind bias. That's all.
Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
Err... 5?No, not flaming. Just a suggestion.
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Beaten down and choked out by average joes.
Pretty simple stuff, now if only fanboys were as rationally thinking as this poster.
Originally posted by Kevin Garnett
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Pretty simple stuff, now if only fanboys were as rationally thinking as this poster.
Oh gosh a single low showing! The countless higher showings are invalidated! Flash outracing teleportation? Gone! Racing Death to the end of time? Invalid! Flash's numerous feats of speed stealing? Don't count!
Look man I used to argue for Dragonball Z against comics too (Admittedly I was 16 and the show was still in its first run so I had more of an excuse) I know how it's done. Push the low showings and make arbitrary claims about Superman's place in the DBZ hierarchy. I understand.
You're not winning because you are not proving anything. The Flash has appeared in thousands of comics. I wouldn't be surprised if you could find hundreds of instances of him being hit by people without superspeed. But I could find more impressive speed feats than you could low.
Like the latest Flash issue. Barry defeats the Renegades with little effort despite them being equipped to fight someone who moves at Lightspeed. Was Barry out of character there?
Low showings are inadmissible. Otherwise Base Goku struggling with 40 tons would imply Frieza is around Venom level strength.
Also to go back a bit. Frieza is weaker than Superman because he's physically weaker in every aspect and his death ball is way below Superman's high end durability showings.
Originally posted by Galvaclaw
Oh gosh a single low showing! The countless higher showings are invalidated! Flash outracing teleportation? Gone! Racing Death to the end of time? Invalid! Flash's numerous feats of speed stealing? Don't count!
The poster only asked for 5 scans, how many would you need to change your uninformed/fanboyish opinions?
Originally posted by Galvaclaw
Look man I used to argue for Dragonball Z against comics too (Admittedly I was 16 and the show was still in its first run so I had more of an excuse) I know how it's done. Push the low showings and make arbitrary claims about Superman's place in the DBZ hierarchy. I understand.
Oh, so drawing comparisons is bad? We all know Superman compares to Frieza saga characters, Superman fanboys just arbitrarily decided whenever the show went on that Superman was as powerful as the next big threat and the previous threat capable of leveling the planet multiple times over became a chump ass ***** who's nothing to Superman, because, well, they're fanboys, and, apparently, on panel powerups mean nothing when the sun shines bright in the summer.
Originally posted by Galvaclaw
You're not winning because you are not proving anything. The Flash has appeared in thousands of comics. I wouldn't be surprised if you could find hundreds of instances of him being hit by people without superspeed. But I could find more impressive speed feats than you could low.
No, you couldn't. Flash has appeared in thousands of comics, I can find hundreds of instances where he's hit by people without superspeed, you can probably find 10s of instances where he does some over the top Frieza beating shit. That's how these topics typically work, after-all, nothing counts but that one time Flash did something not even in combat. I'm a pretty big Wally West fan, too, so you really aren't going to show/tell me anything about the actual character I don't already know. Matter of fact, I know that if we got into a scan contest, 80ish% of your scans would be random running, not even pertaining to a fight, even though we're in an argument about who'd win in a fight. ALL of my scans will be fight related.
Originally posted by Galvaclaw
Like the latest Flash issue. Barry defeats the Renegades with little effort despite them being equipped to fight someone who moves at Lightspeed. Was Barry out of character there?
K, that's cool, I stopped reading Flash when it stopped being about a character of actual interest (Wally) and started being about some cardboard cornball that should have stayed dead, so I don't really know anything about Barry.
Originally posted by Galvaclaw
Low showings are inadmissible. Otherwise Base Goku struggling with 40 tons would imply Frieza is around Venom level strength.
I guess Superman struggling with 10 tons in a similar scene would imply he's around Spider-Man level and only 1/4th as strong as Base Goku.
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Originally posted by Galvaclaw
Also to go back a bit. Frieza is weaker than Superman because he's physically weaker in every aspect and his death ball is way below Superman's high end durability showings. [/B]
No, it really isn't, I've never seen Superman shrug off attacks from anyone nearly as powerful as Frieza.
Also, Cell would joy stomp the holy hell out of Silver Surfer you outrageous fanboy you. Frieza vs. Silver Surfer is more of a fight, but I don't see Surfer taking Frieza too often, either.
The poster only asked for 5 scans, how many would you need to change your uninformed/fanboyish opinions?
Mild insults do not make a good replacement for a coherent argument. Who precisely am I a fanboy of? Comic? Every work of fiction other than Dragonball? Why bother arguing if you think your opinion is objective truth?
You don't need to provide me any scans. Cherry picking low showings will not change my mind. Just as a mountain of high showings will not change yours.
Oh, so drawing comparisons is bad? We all know Superman compares to Frieza saga characters, Superman fanboys just arbitrarily decided whenever the show went on that Superman was as powerful as the next big threat and the previous threat capable of leveling the planet multiple times over became a chump ass ***** who's nothing to Superman, because, well, they're fanboys, and, apparently, on panel powerups mean nothing when the sun shines bright in the summer.
No it just means there was not a big enough strength increase between the Frieza saga and the end of show. Goku still has no durability or strength feats that come near Superman's high end by the end of the show.
Unless you have scans. Maybe my memory is fuzzy and your argument is more than Goku beat a guy who beat a buy who was really tough so Goku must be a million times tougher.
I'm a pretty big Wally West fan, too, so you really aren't going to show/tell me anything about the actual character I don't already know.
Now this is nice. Claiming your a big fan of the character you're arguing against. I used to do that too. It's pointless because motive has nothing to do with it. Despite your insistence that anyone who has the temerity to disagree with you is a fanboy.
I guess Superman struggling with 10 tons in a similar scene would imply he's around Spider-Man level and only 1/4th as strong as Base Goku.
Provide a scan. Hopefully it won't be something from the early 90's Though the lightest thing I can think of Byrne Superman struggling with is 100 tons.
K, that's cool, I stopped reading Flash when it stopped being about a character of actual interest (Wally) and started being about some cardboard cornball that should have stayed dead, so I don't really know anything about Barry.
Barry's a fun character in the hands of good writers like all characters. He certainly wasn't boring in JLA year one. And the last two issues of the current run have been great.
No, it really isn't, I've never seen Superman shrug off attacks from anyone nearly as powerful as Frieza.
The three supernovas he's taken would cover that. The difference in magnitude between low end planet destroying which Frieza does and a supernova is immense.
Also, Cell would joy stomp the holy hell out of Silver Surfer you outrageous fanboy you. Frieza vs. Silver Surfer is more of a fight, but I don't see Surfer taking Frieza too often, either.
And I'm the fanboy? So is Buu saga Goku skyfather level then? I mean really calling me a fanboy, when assuming you are Moses you're well known as a colossal dragonball fanboy. Your photobucket account name and your rabid love of DBZ are damning evidence.
Originally posted by Bro SMASH
😐And you got the nerve to call someone else a fanboy? How ridiculous.
I use the silver surfer as a handy measuring stick to judge how crazy a DBZ supporter is. The only answer I'm really interested in is if he thinks Buu saga Goku is skyfather level. That's my cut off point before I judge the argument as pointless.
Originally posted by Galvaclaw
Mild insults do not make a good replacement for a coherent argument. Who precisely am I a fanboy of? Comic? Every work of fiction other than Dragonball? Why bother arguing if you think your opinion is objective truth?
I call it, "missionary work."
Originally posted by Galvaclaw
You don't need to provide me any scans. Cherry picking low showings will not change my mind. Just as a mountain of high showings will not change yours.
Because this "mountain of high end showings" doesn't exist. Also, why would one or two high showings change anyone's opinion when you can just crack open ANY Flash book and see the hot air being blown out your ass? Flash isn't nearly as powerful as you make him out to be, stop wanking.
Lastly, you don't "cherry pick" regular occurrences. Flash getting hit by guys slower than Master Roshi is a regular occurrence, outliers and cherry picks are things like him outracing Death and such. That kind of stuff happens far, far, far less frequently than Tar Pit entrapping him and him getting beaten down.
Originally posted by Galvaclaw
Goku still has no durability or strength feats that come near Superman's high end by the end of the show.
Goku has the strength, durability, energy projection, skill and speed feats necessary to defeat Superman by the end of the Frieza saga, stop fanjerking.
Originally posted by Galvaclaw
No it just means there was not a big enough strength increase between the Frieza saga and the end of show.
Goku got to the point where he could defeat Frieza with a single blow, effortlessly, stop talking nonsense, please. You wonder why I believe you're a fanboy? Nonsensical comments like this.
Originally posted by Galvaclaw
Unless you have scans. Maybe my memory is fuzzy and your argument is more than Goku beat a guy who beat a buy who was really tough so Goku must be a million times tougher.
Uhhh, that's how it works. If Superman trained to get more powerful and started beating up Odin level guys, then it's obvious to people capable of rational thought (re: not Superman fanboys) that Superman has gotten assloads more powerful.
Originally posted by Galvaclaw
Now this is nice. Claiming your a big fan of the character you're arguing against. I used to do that too.
The difference is, I don't lie, unlike yourself.
Originally posted by Galvaclaw
It's pointless because motive has nothing to do with it. Despite your insistence that anyone who has the temerity to disagree with you is a fanboy.
No, to me, anyone who wanks out a character to be farrrrrrrrrrrrrr more powerful than he's regularly portrayed in the source and is completely unwilling to listen to reason is a fanboy. It just so happens, you fall under this type of poster. You even admitted that I could find HUNDREDS of scans of Flash being nailed by guys slower than Roshi while struggling to defeat them and you're STILL unwilling to budge on this notion that Flash will somehow destroy Frieza.
That's bordering lunacy.
Originally posted by Galvaclaw
Provide a scan. Hopefully it won't be something from the early 90's Though the lightest thing I can think of Byrne Superman struggling with is 100 tons.
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Originally posted by Galvaclaw
Barry's a fun character in the hands of good writers like all characters. He certainly wasn't boring in JLA year one. And the last two issues of the current run have been great.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz don't care, Barry sucks.
Originally posted by Galvaclaw
The three supernovas he's taken would cover that.
No, they wouldn't, I've never seen him shrug off actual attacks from beings as powerful as Frieza. Who cares about Supernova's when Green Lantern level energy projection will mess him up just fine when the actual fighting starts? Not me.
Originally posted by Galvaclaw
And I'm the fanboy? So is Buu saga Goku skyfather level then? I mean really calling me a fanboy, when assuming you are Moses you're well known as a colossal dragonball fanboy. Your photobucket account name and your rabid love of DBZ are damning evidence. [/B]
I'm well known by idiots to be a "colossal dragonball fanboy," rational minded posters don't have too many problems with me. Also, I could easily see the argument that SSJ3 Goku is Odin level, I don't place him there, personally, but the argument IS there. Superman and company are all about Frieza saga level characters, after all.
Originally posted by Galvaclaw
I use the silver surfer as a handy measuring stick to judge how crazy a DBZ supporter is. The only answer I'm really interested in is if he thinks Buu saga Goku is skyfather level. That's my cut off point before I judge the argument as pointless.
And why is this? Silver Surfer has been defeated by beings weaker than Nappa on numerous occasions.
I'd say you're wanking, again.