ANIME Fighters VS AMERICAN Superheros

Originally posted by Jack Cash
Class 100 capable of easily destroying planets, surviving their explosions, and moving multiple times faster than mach 1 ON TOP OF being an A list martial artist with at least Captain America level skill.

That's someone who'd kick the utter crap out of Thor, so he's at LEAST Surfer level (Surfer can't kick the utter crap out of Thor, for the record, no matter how retardedly asinine you wankers get with the black holes at light speed in the skull while transforming him into a large maxi-pad BS).

Though, you can feel free to provide the big list of opponents with that much power who've been utterly bulldozed by Surfer. You won't because you can't and will probably make excuses in typical comic wanker form, btw.

No, actually I won't because I see no reason to. We're talking about Freiza and Surfer in a fight in, not which characters can beat them up. Also, Surfer is many times faster than light and is thus, faster than Freiza. In addition, Freiza can't destroy planet's "easily", seeing how Freiza had to use a chain-reaction to do it. Surfer is also physically stronger than Freiza and let's not forget the numerous other abilities he's got. Really, Freiza stands no chance.

Originally posted by Jack Cash
Nope, not at all, am I going to have to link you to the definition of the word delusional? Or will you be able to look it up yourself and demonstrate proper usage of the term in your next post?

I mean, after all, you are the poster who avoids answering simple questions for the sake of not losing an argument (it most certainly isn't winning when you duck a simple request, it's a pathetic attempt to save face kind of thing), intentionally snips out pages of scans to completely misinterpret a scene and just generally sucks at arguing a point.

The way I used the word WAS proper usage. Maybe you're just in denial.

I find it funny you're describing yourself here because these are EXACTLY what you do. Heck, not only that, you always avoid explaining the whole situation of the event or never post the whole thing. Plus, I wsa the one that requested the scan and instead of posting it, you're asking ME how much should you post. That's a sucky way of arguing a point.

Originally posted by Jack Cash
I do, too, there's nothing to argue against because I'm 100% correct on all fronts on top of being multiple times more intelligent than the average comic wanker.

Actually, it's because you're too thick-headed to learn anything, as well as being an obvious troll.

Originally posted by Jack Cash
[B]See, if I wasn't, you'd have people lined up to message board jump me, that's what this topic mostly is, comic wankers message board jumping people who don't know enough about the source to call the wankers out on their wanking. It's why you have deranged idiots claiming freaking Thor is capable of soloing all of Dragonball, nobody who can tell they're wanking knows enough about the medium to explain to them how.

This is coming from a guy who thinks Krillin and Tien can beat Thor!

Originally posted by Bro SMASH
No, actually I won't because I see no reason to.

No, you won't because you can't. And I'll show you how not to dodge, Surfer's been around 45-50 years, give me 5 different instances of him utterly squashing a Frieza level opponent. That's 1 fight every 10 years, and I'll bump him up several ranks accordingly. I'll even ignore the fact that he regularly gets pushed to the brink by Frieza level foes and do the NarutoFan LOL DEEZ FIVE INSTANCES >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> COMMON PORTRAYAL bs rational.

So 5 different instances of him destroying Frieza level beings like Goku can in his first Super Saiyan form.

Originally posted by Bro SMASH

We're talking about Freiza and Surfer in a fight in, not which characters can beat them up.

Yeah, we're talking about Frieza and Surfer in a fight, and when you talk about people fighting each other, in order to establish credibility, you tend to ask, who've they beaten?

Who's Silver Surfer utterly destroyed to give you this idea that Frieza wouldn't work him over?

Originally posted by Bro SMASH

In addition, Freiza can't destroy planet's "easily", seeing how Freiza had to use a chain-reaction to do it.

LOLno, Frieza destroyed the Planet Vegeta in his BASE form with a single finger blast and a LAUGH while wasting millions of people who are at least as powerful as Black Bolt. That's wayyyyyyyyyyyy beyond Silver Surfer level power, all things considered.

Originally posted by Bro SMASH

Surfer is also physically stronger than Freiza

False, Silver Surfer and Frieza are equals physically. Both are arguably mid-tier Class 100s.

Originally posted by Bro SMASH

The way I used the word WAS proper usage. Maybe you're just in denial.

Well, I have multiple posters pointing out that I'm making valid points, and a poster saying that I'm destroying you kids to someone with no biases to either side. So I'm going to ask you to look the word up, it's clearly too much of a doozy for you to handle on your own.

Originally posted by Bro SMASH

I find it funny you're describing yourself here because these are EXACTLY what you do.

Nope, I even showed you how to properly answer a question. You give me 5 different instances of Silver Surfer destroying Frieza level beings and I'll completely ignore the 100 or so of him being pushed to the brink by them and move Surfer's rank up.

Originally posted by Bro SMASH

Heck, not only that, you always avoid explaining the whole situation of the event or never post the whole thing.

The situation doesn't need "explaining" nor to be fully posted.

Claim: Silver Surfer is regularly hit by guys slower than Roshi.
Proof: Scans of Silver Surfer regularly hit/speedblitzed by guys slower than Roshi.
YOUR ARGUMENT: LULZ YOU DINT POST DA HOLE FITE NUB.
Me: The whole fight isn't the point, the point is Surfer regularly getting hit by beings significantly slower than Frieza, therefore, Frieza will have no problems landing hits on him and beating the stuffing out of him.

Originally posted by Bro SMASH

Plus, I wsa the one that requested the scan and instead of posting it, you're asking ME how much should you post. That's a sucky way of arguing a point.

How is asking you for a number of scans to post to change your opinion "a sucky way of arguing a point?" If you had asked me for 100 scans, I would have happily taken time out of my day and posted 100 scans of Flash getting nailed by beings slower than Roshi. I wanted an actual number of scans needed to change your opinion before wasting my time for you to dream up some bs excuse about why Tarpit trapping Flash doesn't count because the sun wasn't shining so bright that day.

Originally posted by Bro SMASH

Actually, it's because you're too thick-headed to learn anything, as well as being an obvious troll.

Here's the thing, I'M the one who posts the scans in bulk to show YOU how you're wanking. Nobody here can teach me anything about comics, I know far more than the average wanker about them and am too unbiased to ignore regularly portrayals to say my pet wins. It's the other way around, posters like yourself, Galvaclaw and that random guy with the cigar avatar that only posts in this thread to contribute nothing, are far too dense and thickheaded to actually argue based on the way the characters fight in the comics.

You'd rather run off about some BS on how Silver Surfer transmits Frieza to sand, while opening multiple singularities in his skull at one gajillion times light speed.

As if that's how the comics portray Silver Surfer.

Originally posted by Bro SMASH

This is coming from a guy who thinks Krillin and Tien can beat Thor!

And they can, Thor has been defeated by MUCH less than Tien and Krillin. It's almost a joke to believe Thor can defeat the both of them for anything resembling a majority, let's not even talk about those laughable farces on the main versus board. 😂 @ Thor > Vegeta and Thor > Cell. You comic book fanboys are too freaking much.

Originally posted by Jack Cash
No, you won't because you can't. And I'll show you how not to dodge, Surfer's been around 45-50 years, give me 5 different instances of him utterly squashing a Frieza level opponent. That's 1 fight every 10 years, and I'll bump him up several ranks accordingly. I'll even ignore the fact that he regularly gets pushed to the brink by Frieza level foes and do the NarutoFan LOL DEEZ FIVE INSTANCES >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> COMMON PORTRAYAL bs rational.

So 5 different instances of him destroying Frieza level beings like Goku can in his first Super Saiyan form.

No, I won't because it's pointless. Besides, you never were clear on Freiza's level anyway. You say he's 100 strength, well prove it? Show me his lifting feats that puts him on that level. You can't do this (obviously).

Originally posted by Jack Cash
Yeah, we're talking about Frieza and Surfer in a fight, and when you talk about people fighting each other, in order to establish credibility, you tend to ask, who've they beaten?

Who's Silver Surfer utterly destroyed to give you this idea that Frieza wouldn't work him over?

It's not always about who he's beaten. You have to look at his abilities and see what he's capable doing and compared to Frieza, he's capable doing a lot. He can easily withstand blasts that can destroy planets (and not be hurt by it, unlike another certain character), fight inside blackholes, move faster than light, can drain energy, can channel the energy of the Big Crunch, and so much more...but he's only Freiza level? Get the heck outta here!

Originally posted by Jack Cash
LOLno, Frieza destroyed the Planet Vegeta in his BASE form with a single finger blast and a LAUGH while wasting millions of people who are at least as powerful as Black Bolt. That's wayyyyyyyyyyyy beyond Silver Surfer level power, all things considered.

So what? He used one finger to destroy Namek too...but we all know how that turned out. Can you prove that this was any different?

Originally posted by Jack Cash
False, Silver Surfer and Frieza are equals physically. Both are arguably mid-tier Class 100s.

Based on...?

Originally posted by Jack Cash
Well, I have multiple posters pointing out that I'm making valid points, and a poster saying that I'm destroying you kids to someone with no biases to either side. So I'm going to ask you to look the word up, it's clearly too much of a doozy for you to handle on your own.

One of these posters just happened to be Tyrant and like you, he always argue for DBZ. It's no surprise. Besides, there's only like a few posters saying you're making "valid points".

Originally posted by Jack Cash
Nope, I even showed you how to properly answer a question. You give me 5 different instances of Silver Surfer destroying Frieza level beings and I'll completely ignore the 100 or so of him being pushed to the brink by them and move Surfer's rank up.

Again, you never really described Frieza's level and every attempt you do, it's always things that are made up. Fact is, Surfer can destroy Freiza and that's all that really matters.

Originally posted by Jack Cash
The situation doesn't need "explaining" nor to be fully posted.

Claim: Silver Surfer is regularly hit by guys slower than Roshi.
Proof: Scans of Silver Surfer regularly hit/speedblitzed by guys slower than Roshi.
YOUR ARGUMENT: LULZ YOU DINT POST DA HOLE FITE NUB.
Me: The whole fight isn't the point, the point is Surfer regularly getting hit by beings significantly slower than Frieza, therefore, Frieza will have no problems landing hits on him and beating the stuffing out of him.

Despite the fact that Surfer is REGULARLY shown to be beyond Roshi in speed and many times, there's usually an explanation for when events like that happened, like the one Mike pointed out. That's why I ask you to either explain the whole situation or post the entire event. But the fact you won't do this means you're probably hiding something...or just don't know what the heck you're posting.

Originally posted by Jack Cash
How is asking you for a number of scans to post to change your opinion "a sucky way of arguing a point?" If you had asked me for 100 scans, I would have happily taken time out of my day and posted 100 scans of Flash getting nailed by beings slower than Roshi. I wanted an actual number of scans needed to change your opinion before wasting my time for you to dream up some bs excuse about why Tarpit trapping Flash doesn't count because the sun wasn't shining so bright that day.

At first, you didn't seem to care too much about people's opinion when you were first socking here but now all of a sudden, you do? I think you're just using some weak excuse not to post what people really want because the last time you did what someone requested, you posted 5 scans of the SAME EVENT and I don't think that's what the poster had in mind.

Originally posted by Jack Cash
Here's the thing, I'M the one who posts the scans in bulk to show YOU how you're wanking. Nobody here can teach me anything about comics, I know far more than the average wanker about them and am too unbiased to ignore regularly portrayals to say my pet wins.

Oh you're definitely biased and you've demonstrated this too. I remember there are times when you even insulted the character you're arguing against. In addition, you make certain arguments for characters you're arguing against but ignore the fact that they can be applied for your characters too. Yep, you're biased.

Originally posted by Jack Cash
And they can, Thor has been defeated by MUCH less than Tien and Krillin. It's almost a joke to believe Thor can defeat the both of them for anything resembling a majority, let's not even talk about those laughable farces on the main versus board.

And before you make yourself look even more worse than you are, I want you to show me how Krillin and Tien are capable of beating Thor.

I know I said I was finished arguing with you Moses but this one was too good.

at least Captain America level skill.

You think Frieza is Captain America level? I hope I'm just misreading your words. Fine I'll give you a chance. Provide me some scans of Captain America level skill feats from Frieza. Some scans from the manga not some just claims.

Show them and I'll admit defeat. I'll admit you are the best debater in the world ever and completely unbiased.

Also I wouldn't mind if you posted some scans that show strength feats that put Frieza at Namor level or above.

Originally posted by Bro SMASH
No, I won't because it's pointless. Besides, you never were clear on Freiza's level anyway. You say he's 100 strength, well prove it? Show me his lifting feats that puts him on that level. You can't do this (obviously).

Silver Surfer doesn't have any lifting feats that put him at Class 100 either. Neither does the Destroyer Armor, Conquest, Kurse, Morg, Fallen One, Thanos, Beta Ray Bill, Red Norvell, Bloodstrike, Orion, Darkseid, etc, etc, etc. Lifting feats don't really mean too much.

Also, I consider Frieza to be about as powerful as Morg and Beta Ray Bill, moreso, actually, he's quicker and alot more skilled than the both of them.

Originally posted by Bro SMASH
[B]
It's not always about who he's beaten. You have to look at his abilities and see what he's capable doing and compared to Frieza,

I see his abilities and what he's capable of doing ON TOP OF the opponents he typically fights and what they're capable of doing, and see that he comes out to be about Frieza level.

Originally posted by Bro SMASH

he's capable doing a lot. He can easily withstand blasts that can destroy planets (and not be hurt by it, unlike another certain character), fight inside blackholes, move faster than light, can drain energy, can channel the energy of the Big Crunch, and so much more...but he's only Freiza level? Get the heck outta here!

I've never seen Thanos do any of these things either, guess that means Silver Surfer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanos.

Those showings just come with a high volume of appearances, they really don't mean much when the actual fighting starts.

Originally posted by Bro SMASH

So what? He used one finger to destroy Namek too...but we all know how that turned out. Can you prove that this was any different?

tp://w.youtube.com/watch?v=JdepKE2_0i8

Originally posted by Bro SMASH

Based on...?

Goku and company's showings from earlier in the series and Frieza being multiples of times stronger than this.

Originally posted by Bro SMASH

One of these posters just happened to be Tyrant

So one of these posters just happened to be someone multiple times more intelligent than yourself. Okay, and?

Originally posted by Bro SMASH

Again, you never really described Frieza's level and every attempt you do, it's always things that are made up.

I've described him as Morg/Beta Ray Bill/Orion/etc level throughout my posting career.

Originally posted by Bro SMASH

Fact is, Surfer can destroy Freiza and that's all that really matters.

False, Surfer hasn't even destroyed Iron Man, how the hell's he going to knock off Frieza?

Originally posted by Bro SMASH

Despite the fact that Surfer is REGULARLY shown to be beyond Roshi in speed and many times,

Not in a fight, which is what matters here, Surfer doesn't even strike me as more elusive than Spider-Man.

Originally posted by Bro SMASH

there's usually an explanation for when events like that happened, like the one Mike pointed out.

Much like yourself, Mike was BSing. You guys do that alot.

Originally posted by Bro SMASH

At first, you didn't seem to care too much about people's opinion when you were first socking here but now all of a sudden, you do?

Well, the goal of an argument is to change someone's opinion.

Originally posted by Bro SMASH

you posted 5 scans of the SAME EVENT and I don't think that's what the poster had in mind.

Poster asked me to post 5 scans, I posted 5 scans. Bro SMASH didn't ask me to post any amount of scans because he knew I could deliver within reason (not some asinine number like 12000) and also knows that he's wanking and feels ducking saves him face.

Originally posted by Bro SMASH

Oh you're definitely biased and you've demonstrated this too. I remember there are times when you even insulted the character you're arguing against.

Okay, and?

Originally posted by Bro SMASH

In addition, you make certain arguments for characters you're arguing against but ignore the fact that they can be applied for your characters too. Yep, you're biased.

No, they can't, and please don't say anything about my arguments as embarrassingly off base as Galvaclaw and Endless Mike did two pages ago.

Originally posted by Bro SMASH

And before you make yourself look even more worse than you are, I want you to show me how Krillin and Tien are capable of beating Thor.

They're wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy faster, more skilled, have techniques that'd end him in a single strike, and stuff.

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
I know I said I was finished arguing with you Moses but this one was too good.

Here's the thing, you "finished" arguing with me after I successfully made you look silly, why am I bothering with you again? You're going to have to show me something that indicates you're a poster worth arguing against, to me, you seem like your typical biased and ignorant comic wanker who's delusional enough to believe he's of a high enough calibre to order me around, it's actually the other way around (ie, I'm the one who should be telling you what arguments to make and what not to). As someone who's already made you look like the clueless simpleton that you are, I'm not arguing with you until I see another poster point out ONE intelligent point you've made in your posting career.

Judging by this thread, we probably won't be arguing again, such a point probably doesn't exist.

Here's your chance to make one, I want you to demonstrate that you understand what skill is after I told you what it was and linked you to its official definition. I want you to tell me why you believe Captain America is soooo much more skilled than Frieza. Post these scans which give you this idea.

Actually, I'll even give you scans FROM DA MANGA (omigosh) that just beats everything, because your goofy ass might just be delusional enough to believe I'm trying to "dodge" someone I just DEMOLISHED in the previous exchange we had.

Here's Frieza EFFORTLESSLY dodging a combined speedblitz from Gohan, Piccolo and Krillin, he doesn't even move from his position until they throw un-dodgeable ki blasts.

tp://ww.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v26/c005/4.html
tp://ww.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v26/c005/5.html
tp://ww.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v26/c005/6.html
tp://ww.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v26/c005/7.html
tp://ww.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v26/c005/8.html

Don't bother asking for a rebuttal to your excuses and poor application of the word "skill" until after another poster chimes in with some Galvaclaw "intelligence feats," btw.

I'd also like some strength feats that put the Silver Surfer beyond Namor level for strength.

Thanks.

Originally posted by Jack Cash
Silver Surfer doesn't have any lifting feats that put him at Class 100 either. Neither does the Destroyer Armor, Conquest, Kurse, Morg, Fallen One, Thanos, Beta Ray Bill, Red Norvell, Bloodstrike, Orion, Darkseid, etc, etc, etc. Lifting feats don't really mean too much.

Also, I consider Frieza to be about as powerful as Morg and Beta Ray Bill, moreso, actually, he's quicker and alot more skilled than the both of them.

Oh now Freiza and Surfer don't have any strength feats? Then why did you just say they were Class 100?

Originally posted by Jack Cash
I see his abilities and what he's capable of doing ON TOP OF the opponents he typically fights and what they're capable of doing, and see that he comes out to be about Frieza level.

Then you just don't know Surfer, plane and simple.

Originally posted by Jack Cash
I've never seen Thanos do any of these things either, guess that means Silver Surfer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanos.

Those showings just come with a high volume of appearances, they really don't mean much when the actual fighting starts.

So he just magically can't do any of his abilities when he's fighting someone? Tell me, what stops him from using his abilities in a fight?

Originally posted by Jack Cash

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdepKE2_0i8

Anime, non-canon.

Originally posted by Jack Cash
Goku and company's showings from earlier in the series and Frieza being multiples of times stronger than this.

Then you shouldn't have any problems posting these feats to prove it.

Originally posted by Jack Cash
So one of these posters just happened to be someone multiple times more intelligent than yourself. Okay, and?

Blindly supporting DBZ doesn't make you mulitiple times more intelligent. That's a stupid argument, Moses.

Originally posted by Jack Cash
I've described him as Morg/Beta Ray Bill/Orion/etc level throughout my posting career.

No you didn't.

Originally posted by Jack Cash
False, Surfer hasn't even destroyed Iron Man, how the hell's he going to knock off Frieza?

...Are you saying Surfer is incapable of destroying Iron Man? 😐

Originally posted by Jack Cash
[B]Not in a fight, which is what matters here, Surfer doesn't even strike me as more elusive than Spider-Man.

See, this is the kind of crap that gets me! You're saying Surfer is unable to use his abilities in a fight! Why don't you actually prove this? I mean heck, that's equavilant to saying Piccolo can't use his moon-destroying blast in a fight.

Originally posted by Jack Cash
Much like yourself, Mike was BSing. You guys do that alot.

How was he BSing then?

Originally posted by Jack Cash
Well, the goal of an argument is to change someone's opinion.

Please! You don't know squat about arguing.

Originally posted by Jack Cash
Poster asked me to post 5 scans, I posted 5 scans. Bro SMASH didn't ask me to post any amount of scans because he knew I could deliver within reason (not some asinine number like 12000) and also knows that he's wanking and feels ducking saves him face.

If I was ducking, I wouldn't have asked you in the first place. I let YOU decide how much YOU want to post. That's not ducking at all and if you're so confident in your response, you wouldn't ask me to decide for you.

Originally posted by Jack Cash
Okay, and?

So why would you insult a character that you happen to be arguing against?

Originally posted by Jack Cash
No, they can't, and please don't say anything about my arguments as embarrassingly off base as Galvaclaw and Endless Mike did two pages ago.

Yes they can. For example, you claim you base a character on their "common portrayals" but you never use this for DBZ, because if we were to argue that kind of way, Goku would lose every fight he's in based on the mere fact that he almost always gets help in one-on-one fights that he just happen to be losing in.

Originally posted by Jack Cash
They're wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy faster, more skilled, have techniques that'd end him in a single strike, and stuff.

BS as usual.

Oh now Freiza and Surfer don't have any strength feats? Then why did you just say they were Class 100?

Strength feats don't really mean much, it's more about what they can do against established heavy hitters.

Then you just don't know Surfer, plane and simple.

Tell me, what stops him from using his abilities in a fight?

You'd have to ask Surfer himself, I rarely see Surfer use any of these abilities against anyone, so odds are, he'd rarely use these abilities against Frieza. Just the nature of the character, perhaps it's REALLY freaking hard to use these abilities in combat for him.

Anime, non-canon.

Nope, it's canon.

Then you shouldn't have any problems posting these feats to prove it.

I shouldn't have to, you should know what Goku and company's showings are with how much you argue against Dragonball. It's pretty safe to say Goku is Class 50 by the end of Dragonball, and it's also pretty safe to say that Frieza is double end of Dragonball Goku's safe. Frieza = Class 100.

Blindly supporting DBZ doesn't make you mulitiple times more intelligent.

There's nothing blind in his support, it's more, you're blindly supporting these comic book characters because you have an agenda against Z, or something. I don't know what possesses people to make these statements about lightspeed black holes in skulls.

How was he BSing then?

"Those low - end feats not only have rational explanations which you are ignoring or outright lying about,"

That's straight up BS.

...Are you saying Surfer is incapable of destroying Iron Man?

Why not post their fights against each other and we can judge them based on that?

Why don't you actually prove this?

I've done this throughout my posting history by constantly showing you how Silver Surfer actually fights in the comics. You've ignored 350 scans now that I've brought to the table (the total number of comic book related media in my photobucket).

I mean heck, that's equavilant to saying Piccolo can't use his moon-destroying blast in a fight.

No, it's the equivalent of saying Piccolo won't be destroying any moons to win any fights.

Please! You don't know squat about arguing.

I know that I'm much better at it than you and your fanboy contingency are.

If I was ducking

If you weren't ducking, you would have simply answered the question (within reason, nobody's going to scan 100,000 instances), I would have provided you with the scans and you would have said "point made."

You don't want to say "point made" because you are too deranged a comic book fanboy to ever concede any of your nonsensical wanking as that, so you just skirted the issue.

So why would you insult a character that you happen to be arguing against?

Because I insult everything and everybody, especially things I don't like?

For example, you claim you base a character on their "common portrayals" but you never use this for DBZ, because if we were to argue that kind of way, Goku would lose every fight he's in based on the mere fact that he almost always gets help in one-on-one fights that he just happen to be losing in.

Goku would lose every fight he's in against people of extremely greater power, Silver Surfer doesn't fall under this category of person of extremely greater power, Goku surpassed that level in the Cell Saga several times over.

BS as usual.

Wolverine is faster than Thor. Krillin and Tien >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wolverine in speed.
Krillin and Tien are obviously more skilled than Thor.
And Thor's been KO'd by Mantis and messed up by Captain America level striking force, Krillin and Tien can just beat him down at multiples of sound speed. We haven't gotten to energy projection, which would utterly curbstomp him.

Bro SMASH, I suggest that you to take this debate to moviecodec, debating here only encourages Moses to keep creating accounts.

Actually, repeatedly responding to socks/trolls in a way that encourages their behavior can be considered a warnable offense. So not only will I advise everyone to stop talking to him at all, but there will be action taken if it continues.

How would Iron Man vs Raditz go?

I think Iron Man would win if he gets his Hulk Buster armor.

Xavier Versus Tetsuo Shima! 313

There's been a rule change in the comic book vs forum, with a Vegeta vs Thor and Perfect Cell vs Thor thread pinned to the top of the page. The DBZ side has been.... not good.

If some of the better posters here would like to lend their support? 😄

Or argue in Thor's favor, if that's your fancy. (And I'm not trying to pull traffic from this forum.. I just figured I'd give a heads up on the rule change, in case anyones interested.)

Most here actually would support Thor.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Most here actually would support Thor.

Has the suicide attack ever come up?

It's something Buu could do pretty much whenever he wants, and Cell could do it by mass producing Cell Jr's.

Originally posted by Astner
The following rule infringements were committed.

Needless flaming.

Hardly needless.

Requesting me to break the rules, allowing a banned member use my computer as a proxy server.

Last time I checked, it wasn't against the rules to simply relay messages from banned posters. Letting him use your account would be against the rules, but that's not what I'm suggesting.

I have no intention of arguing for Moses.

Correct. Your intent is to simply contradict whatever I say no matter what since you enjoy trolling me. If I made a thread about how I was a dog person, you would probably write a huge rant about why cats are better.

I simply pointed out that you deliberately took his argument out of context in order to ridicule him. If you feel the need to argue against this position then I suggest you look him up. In fact, he recently made a new account.

And you complain about me violating the rules 🙄

They're each equal to Galactus.

Source: "Annihilation #1", page 29.

Retconned.

http://i48.tinypic.com/2hx97xi.jpg

Plot induced stupidity goes both ways, even when it comes to environmental damage.

You could further argue that the following instances were forced by the plot.

In "The Infinity Crusade" the Silver Surfer required to have his power amplified so that he could destroy the moon.

Considering he's demonstrated much higher destructive abilities without amping many times, no.

In "The Infinity Gauntlet" Celestials attack Thanos by hurling planets at him.

Okay... I don't see your point with this one.

In "The Infinity Abyss" Omega--who was twice as powerful as Galactus--was killed by a planetary level explosion.

Only stated to be twice as powerful by unreliable character dialogue. Second of all, unlike Galactus, he was a corporeal being, and it was actually the entire converted mass-energy of a planet, combined with some kind of unknown technology.

In "Thanos" Galactus was almost killed by a planetary level explosion.

Only after being weakened and fighting a powerful cosmic being, in addition the only evidence he was in danger was, once again, questionable dialogue.

But that's neither here or there. The point of interest are the median feats.

Which show Surfer to be at the level I'm saying. Otherwise I would bring up stuff like Uni-Lord or beating T&A and say that was his normal level.

No, I'm supporting him because his arguments are fallaciously dismissed.

His arguments have been logically debunked. Why do you think he was banned in the first place?

Until just recently--because you're trying to make a point--you made no actual attempts of debating with him.

Which, again, goes contrary to your claim that I was not giving his arguments proper address.

LOL @ Endless Mike dismissing everything that contradicts his arguments as either "questionable dialogue" or PIS.

I dismiss your post as questionable dialogue.

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Hardly needless.

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Last time I checked, it wasn't against the rules to simply relay messages from banned posters.

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Correct. Your intent is to simply contradict whatever I say no matter what since you enjoy trolling me.

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And you complain about me violating the rules 🙄

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Retconned.

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Originally posted by Endless Mike
Considering he's demonstrated much higher destructive abilities without amping many times, no.

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Okay... I don't see your point with this one.

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Only stated to be twice as powerful by unreliable character dialogue. Second of all, unlike Galactus, he was a corporeal being, and it was actually the entire converted mass-energy of a planet, combined with some kind of unknown technology.

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Only after being weakened and fighting a powerful cosmic being, in addition the only evidence he was in danger was, once again, questionable dialogue.

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Which show Surfer to be at the level I'm saying. Otherwise I would bring up stuff like Uni-Lord or beating T&A and say that was his normal level.

Either way, the hidden message in the feats addressed in those four comic books was that they're all written by the same author, Jim Starlin, who tends to illustrate characters at those levels of power. The fact that you cherry-pick events from his comics, such as Thanos being unfazed by the Silver Surfer's blast and next to that put Michael Avon Oeming's illustration of the Silver Surfer vaporizing a black hole with his powers puts your intent to not withhold information into question.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
His arguments have been logically debunked. Why do you think he was banned in the first place?

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Which, again, goes contrary to your claim that I was not giving his arguments proper address.

Originally posted by Tyrant
LOL @ Endless Mike dismissing everything that contradicts his arguments as either "questionable dialogue" or PIS.

I dismiss your post as questionable dialogue.

Because it contradicts established showings? 🙄

Are you implying that your ridicule was essential or even that it was justified?

Yes. Idiocy of that caliber deserves to be mocked.

Digi pointed out that encouraging the behavior of sock-puppets was considered to be an offense I think you better retract the previous statement.

Encouraging the behavior of socks would be trying to get them to make more socks. What I am suggesting would actually discourage that behavior, as they would have an outlet to relay their messages without actually breaking any rules.

That's a appeal to motive fallacy. You're fully aware of that questioning ones motives doesn't refute their arguments, I'd advise you to stop trolling.

Never said it did, I'm just pointing out what you're up to in case anyone else reading this doesn't know the history between us.

Requesting that you look him up on another forum where he's active isn't a offense at all.

You said he just made a new account, thus you are supporting his duping.

I fail to see how that's a retcon of the addressed event. Are you suggesting that they couldn't be Galactus' equals in terms of power because he imprisoned them?

I'm saying that they only beat him due to a surprise attack, and he imprisoned not only them, but also killed their leader (who was stronger than them) and most of their race.

He has also struggled to accomplish less.

Usually due to being weakened or because he was worried about hurting innocents.

Apparently the final resort of Celestials is to hurl planets at their opponent. The damage this would cause is comparable to "Dragon Ball" level feats.

Stop wanking, no one in DBZ can pick up a planet and toss it casually like a baseball. Besides, it was stated that that was just meant to be a distraction, anyway.

Unreliable character dialogue. Of course.

Considering he did not demonstrate any feats comparable to those of Galactus, and never engaged any Galactus - level beings, then yes. What's so unreasonable about that?

Your arguments are heavily reliant on the dismissal of story exposition.

Only when it contradicts established feats and powersets. Wolverine got his ass kicked by a deer once, do you think that means the rest of his feats are invalid?

When confronted with the issue of high-end feats you're always addressing battle related events where said character battles characters more powerful than himself. You never address high-end environmental damage, such as unrealistic occurrences relating to black holes or supernovae.

Random topic change much?

Are you going to say something now like "Surfer can't create a black hole because it's against the laws of physics" 😆

We know fictional universes, especially ones like Marvel, have a lot of funky shit in them. I don't see why a supernova couldn't send shockwaves across the galaxy (if that's what you're talking about), after all we know that in Marvel there are completely natural FTL phenomena.

Either way, the hidden message in the feats addressed in those four comic books was that they're all written by the same author, Jim Starlin, who tends to illustrate characters at those levels of power. The fact that you cherry-pick events from his comics, such as Thanos being unfazed by the Silver Surfer's blast and next to that put Michael Avon Oeming's illustration of the Silver Surfer vaporizing a black hole with his powers puts your intent to not withhold information into question.

When did Surfer "vaporize a black hole", because not only do I have no recollection of ever posting that and using it to imply Thanos is more durable than a black hole (as you seem to be claiming I did), but I have no recollection of such a feat ever even happening. And I'm pretty sure I would remember something like that if I had read about it.

He was banned due to rule infringements, more specifically for flaming. There are no rules against being wrong or making poor arguments.

Depends on the interpretation of the mod in question. I know of several posters who were banned for continuing to post the same crap over and over again even though the mods told them they were wrong. KMC isn't NF.

The fact that you even have the nerve to make this implication and act as if you're right without actually engaging in a requested debate with him puts your said rebuttal in question.

I already offered to debate by proxy, you just don't want to do it.

You haven't given his arguments proper address and that isn't even for you to decide. Having the last say in the matter doesn't equal being right. I won't pick up his ax.

I'm not asking you to debate for him, just relay his messages. We can ever do it via PM.

If you feel the need to debate him then go to moviecodec.com and engage him in debate there.

You kidding? The mods there are so biased against the OBD they would delete and edit my posts as soon as I started proving him wrong about things.

I won't prolong this debate for the sake of keeping Moses away, but if you insist on being the last to reply be my guest. However, fair warning, I won't take any responsibility for if said post brings him back.

I don't care if he comes back, he can make dupes until the cows come home and I won't give a shit. He's not really even worth addressing, I only offered to do so because you were complaining about it.