theres so much depth into this movie. Ted/Terry gaves us clues and patterns right there under our noses. If it isnt gonna be j/l. then who? Willl is gonna die Tia pointed out that WIll has a destiny. And mentioned again when she was looking for the flying dutchman.
All characters have to change for the good or bad. In this case it changed for the good. Jack has died and reborn as a new man. YOu can have Jack sleeping with hookers all the time catching herpes and ghonorrea. All characters must change in a certain point. There are many conflicts throughout this movie and each character faces these inner battles within themselves.
Our main character is Jack-dont matter whos ur fave character, our main character is Jack. When we see Jack become the hero by the end of DMC he got the girl. In this case the hero always gets the girl bc we're talking about disney. That certainly hit it for all of us and of course the box office. Jack finally got what he wanted and Jacks happiness is surely the audience satisfaction of seeing Jack get the girl. Because he is now Liz hero and our hero.
Originally posted by Mistypirate
exactly like Mina is saying, something is making his character change, It happened in DMC. We still got a taste of Jack Sparrow, but there was something different about this character. And it clearly points out what has this character so changed. You don't have to over analyzed it. It's right in front of your face. It's clearly letting you know what's the problem with this character.
Ok once again. I am not talking about changes that have already happened from DMC. I am saying that something may happen in AWE that changes him again. We cant put all of our apples into one basket (Barbossa may get them) with the J/L thing. We have to keep an open mind about what can still happen to the characters that takes them on a different path than we are expecting.
My interest is that I have been here for about a month now and almost every thread becomes a J/L thing. People got offended and aggressive when something is posted to go against that. Im not for or against it. I'm simply for an entertaining film with strong characters, strong plot lines and good action.
Originally posted by Pirates life fo
Ok once again. I am not talking about changes that have already happened from DMC. I am saying that something may happen in AWE that changes him again. We cant put all of our apples into one basket (Barbossa may get them) with the J/L thing. We have to keep an open mind about what can still happen to the characters that takes them on a different path than we are expecting.
ok, so what your saying is that, J/L may have or have feelings for each other, but there could be a conflict among them in AWE that could take them on a different path. Is that what your suggesting?
Originally posted by Mistypirate
ok, so what your saying is that, J/L may have or have feelings for each other, but there could be a conflict among them in AWE that could take them on a different path. Is that what your suggesting?
Yes...I am suggesting that anything may happen and we dont know until it comes out. Theories all day long are wonderful. Keeps forums like this alive. But they are just that....theories.
Jack Sparrow character was already concentrated on DMC. The concentration of DMC was why jack was acting so strange lately. THe it was resolved by the end of the movie. The only changes that may ocur in his character is some regret when he supposely trades sao feng with Liz. But I digress, I believe that DMC did its part in changing Jack. Now for AWE will be concentrated on the relationship of Will/Liz. Bc that relationship has to go somewhere and end it. They have to resolve that ship bc Liz kissed jack. Now its going to be concentrated on liz/wills character and how they have changed during DMC and will change during AWE. Like i said in one post, I think AWE is dedicated to Will/Liz bc its lke a farewell tribute to a relationship that was and is not meant to be. They have to end it somehow if its Wills destiny to become captian fish face, ok kidding lol, Immortal taking Daveys place. Since Tia is calypso and she saw Wills destiny in him theres certainly a connection. Oh and the knife that Bootstrap gave him.
I believe Jacks character is done in DMC. Now its liz/wills turn to face their conflicts bc jack already did his in dmc.
Originally posted by Pirates life fo
Yes its a box office hit. POTC 1 was a phemominal movie that started a craze. Is it because of the J/L thing? Party sure. Or does it make more sense that it has to do with a great cast, great writing, strong characters...
Of course all of this comes in to play. Nobody is saying otherwise
Everyone has their own opinion on what their favorite aspect of the Pirates movies are. For most people, it's the brillant combination of all those things that draws them into the theaters over and over again. And for some people its the great writing and believablity of the characters/triangle that get them enthusastic about the films.
What is it that has you certain things will change in AWE?
Im not going to say what it is that has me certain things will change in AWE. Im not here to give anything away at all. The last few posts have been some of the most well thought out and intelligent I have seen simply because it shows that people here do have an open mind to things. A lot of other posts here seem like they are written by people with blinders on. Its great to be passionate about a theory of course. Just have an open mind to what might happen. I still want Liz to end up with the monkey but Im not going to bash anyone that feels otherwise.
It means that Will is no longer in the picture. Bc Wills destiny is to become the next davey or immortal. Not necessarily a tentacle head.
Plus Orlando isnt going to be in the other potc sequels PLUS Johnny/Keira are really looking forward for the jack/liz relationship. Johnny himself said that he loves the wa liz makes him look and feel. Liz is like jacks weakness and strength at the same time.
Surely Will will ask liz to marry her bc its the last thing he will ever do on earth whilst alive. Liz marries him of course as a favor bc she loves Will but isnt in love with him. Will will also face that conflict of finally accepting that Liz really loves Jack. Im sure he wants her to be happy.
He knows by the time he "dies'' that liz will straighten her life and go with Jack. "Till death do us apart"
Just from a writing perspective, you're right: the conflict does have to end somewhere. But they won't resolve it until the end of the movie. That's pretty much pretty obvious not only from the leaked rough draft of the script. Their hook in DMC was the unresolved ending between W/E/J. The writers are too clever to be stupid enough to resolve that tension in the first five minutes of the film.
The end of DMC brought change in all of the characters--Will included. If you look closely at the rough draft script, his change is no t necessarily for the better. His jealousy brings out the negative aspects of his character, such as his tendency to rush out to rash action rather than giving his situation some thought. Also, he never thinks to question Elizabeth's motivations, and blames his situation solely on Jack. He assumes that Elizabeth shares no guilt in the situation. He's willing to commit murder on an assumption.
So yes, the storyline has to end, but it is Will who must and should change, in addition to Jack and Elizabeth. Perhaps the ending will be that Will and Elizabeth realize that they are flawed people but are willing to accept those flaws. Or maybe Jack realizes that Will needs Elizabeth more than he does and unselfishly he gives her up. Anything is possible.
Originally posted by Pirates life fo
Yes...I am suggesting that anything may happen and we dont know until it comes out. Theories all day long are wonderful. Keeps forums like this alive. But they are just that....theories.
Ok maybe the writers would try to keep both ships happy, maybe they could careless and don't give a crab. But, I would be happy if the J/L has some kind of resolution. I wouldn't mind if for some reason they won't end up together, but I would like to see something that suggests both characters have feelings for each other. Maybe your right, maybe there's a reason why these two can't be together at that moment. That would leave it open for a 4th film.
Of course they have feelings for eachother. How deep who knows. Are they for the right reasons. Who knows. Im sure there will be a resolution either way. The writers wouldnt just completely drop it. Honestly I dont think anything written in any forums has swayed T&T in the least. They probably knew how the story was going to go for the most part and are sticking to that.