Maybe Im missing Something...

Originally posted by Pirates life fo
All I was wanting to know is what die hard proof was there that pointed to who Liz would end up with. I write pretty much the same stuff on a Will/Liz biased board. And both groups think that it's going to be there way and that's it.

Maybe she wont even end up with anyone, maybe she'll go solo as a pirate. All i'm saying is that there has to be some kind of resolution for J/L. Hopefully for the best. I wouldn't mind if they don't end up together, as I said it would leave it open for more Pirate movies.

That may be true, but even in the rough draft script of AWE, there are scenes that would suggest otherwise. Also, that would make the entire movie of DMC void, which would be a stupid thing to do from a writing perspective.

When I first came to these boards I read SEVERAL posts saying that if it wasnt Jack and Liz then they will have wasted not only money on AWE but also DMC. Disney sucks if it doesnt happen etc... That is what I am basing most of this on. It wasnt only one or two people. It was several threads all saying that same thing

Originally posted by Pirates life fo
Ok an example of what might change Jack. His feelings for Liz came about before he died on the Pearl to the Krakken. Who is to say that when he is rescued and brought back he wont be a changed man and not give a damn about Liz?

I'm gonna have to disagree on that, his feelings for Liz didn't came before dying to the Kraken. He was having feelings way before that. I don't think his feelings for Liz are going to disappear that easy, he seemed proud of her actions when she left him shackled to the mast at the end.

And the same is more than likely being said in the W/E camp. The thing with the triangle is that there's no way it can be resolved with out miffed feelings on one side or the other.

I think people are exagerating a little. More than likely, the writing will be strong enough to leave both sides at least midly content, and so that no one will go without seeing AWE at least twice.

What I think they may have been trying to say that J/E makes a lot of sense to them, and that if DMC was nothing but a marketing ploy, then they'll be severely disappointed.

By the way, the whole thing with Jack and the Kracken. It wouldn't make sense for his feelings to disappear so quickly, and they don't, not even in the rough draft of the script.

There's a great scene where Jack is looking at the Kracken and mourning its death. Will asks Jack how it is that he can mourn the death of something that tried to kill him, to which he replies that the Kracken was a magnificent creature.

This is symbolic of Jack's feelings towards Elizabeth. She sent him to his death, and yet he's capable of not only forgiving her, but admiring her all the more for it. So no, his feelings don't change much.

Originally posted by Mistypirate
I'm gonna have to disagree on that, his feelings for Liz didn't came before dying to the Kraken. He was having feelings way before that. I don't think his feelings for Liz are going to disappear that easy, he seemed proud of her actions when she left him shackled to the mast at the end.

When I said 'before dying to the Krakken', I didnt mean the second before. It may have been the first time he laid eyes on her or it may have been stranded on the island with her.

Originally posted by savvysparrow
By the way, the whole thing with Jack and the Kracken. It wouldn't make sense for his feelings to disappear so quickly, and they don't, not even in the rough draft of the script.

There's a great scene where Jack is looking at the Kracken and mourning its death. Will asks Jack how it is that he can mourn the death of something that tried to kill him, to which he replies that the Kracken was a magnificent creature.

This is symbolic of Jack's feelings towards Elizabeth. She sent him to his death, and yet he's capable of not only forgiving her, but admiring her all the more for it. So no, his feelings don't change much.

Ok that is my point. Why does it HAVE to be symbolic of Jack's feelings towards Liz? That is just you reading into something not proof. That may be the reason but we cant get into T&T's minds to know what they were thinking when they wrote it

Originally posted by Pirates life fo
When I first came to these boards I read SEVERAL posts saying that if it wasnt Jack and Liz then they will have wasted not only money on AWE but also DMC. Disney sucks if it doesnt happen etc... That is what I am basing most of this on. It wasnt only one or two people. It was several threads all saying that same thing

All I'm saying is that if they plan to make more sequels the J/L wont happen at the end of AWE. I'm pretty aware of it.
ok I have a question for you, why do you think DMC was such a box office hit?

Why doesn't it have to be that way? Things don't have to be straight forward, now do they? With any literature or film, things are open to intrepretation. That's how it works.
Given the other things from DMC that were foreshadowed with lines and symbolism, I'd say that it's ok to interpret things in that manner. Maybe I'm not correct, it's possible.

Originally posted by Mistypirate
All i'm saying is that if they plann to make more sequels the J/L wont happen at the end of AWE. I'm pretty aware of it.
ok I have a question for you, why do you think DMC was such a box office hit?

The first movie was phenominal. It sparked increased interst in the second movie. There were a lot of plots and sub plots that people wanted to see again to catch. That is why my group of friends saw it twice. Part of it is the relationship but how can you base the total success of the movie on 1 theme.

There are other people, who have no J/E bias what-so-ever, who have worked in the film industry who have come to the same conclusions that I have, so it's not just me. But you do make a valid point, sometimes interpretations can be a deadly thing.

Originally posted by Pirates life fo
Ok that is my point. Why does it HAVE to be symbolic of Jack's feelings towards Liz? That is just you reading into something not proof. That may be the reason but we cant get into T&T's minds to know what they were thinking when they wrote it

I think thats the beauty of being a writer, when you see something that has been written, no matter if you are reading a book or watching a movie..IMO you can see the writers thoughts through their work.
You are correct we don't know whats going to happen in AWE, but we clearly noticed were the writers were taking the characters in DMC.

You will have to refresh my memory. Why was it that Liz chained Jack to the rail? Was it because she wanted him to die? If so did she want him to die because she realized that her feelings for Jack were growing but she loved Will and was trying to kill those feelings for him?

That's a pretty good interpretation. You might also say that she realizes that she is in fact a pirate, and therefore not compatiable with Will any longer. So in killing Jack, she's destroying that part of herself that's unsutiable. But you're right in assuming that she chained Jack to the mast for more than the reasoning that she was trying to save the life of the crew and Will.

Don't get me wrong I just wanted to know your opinion, I'm not basing the success of the movie in just one theme. There has to be a plot and sub plots to make a movie successful. It wouldn't be a movie at all.

On a side note, an acquaintance of mine that worked on 2 was the Pirate that grabbed the gun to shoot the Krakken just before Jack got it. He was snatched up by the Krakken and dropped the gun. Let's have a moment of silence for poor old LeJon who didnt get to be in 3

Personally, I think what gives the Pirates movies such life is that they have such rich characters. I can't think of one character that doesn't have some sort of depth. There's not one character that doesn't have an interesting story to tell. I'd go to the movie just to see them resolve Norrington's story alone. In this day and age of expensive blockbusters, it's rare to see a movie about interesting characters. They aren't all cookie cutter, made to order people.

Plus the sets are amazing. The CGI is seamless and doesnt take away from the story. And the costumes are exquisite. Penny Rose, the costume designer, is brilliant!

Originally posted by Pirates life fo
On a side note, an acquaintance of mine that worked on 2 was the Pirate that grabbed the gun to shoot the Krakken just before Jack got it. He was snatched up by the Krakken and dropped the gun. Let's have a moment of silence for poor old LeJon who didnt get to be in 3

Thats sad