Dark Phoenix Vs. Darkseid

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darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Ext@nt
Supes is inulnerable, Jean or the "Shell" isn't shes been killed and the Phoenix Force itself has been wounded.

Darkseid can effectively kill what I will reffer to as the Phoenix "Husk". I agree he cannot kill the Phoenix Force. but he could drive it off.


Supes invulnerability has NOTHING to do with his resistance to the OE. The ONLY reason he is able to survive it is because he's essential to the universe.

And DP's 'husk' was still the Phoenix Force. So the OE won't work.

Ext@nt Restricted

Then your giving allot of credit top the many Weapons and Starships that have fried her and wounded the Force over the years.

bigbran Dead

Originally posted by Ext@nt
Supes is inulnerable, Jean or the "Shell" isn't shes been killed and the Phoenix Force itself has been wounded.

I don't really remember a time when the Force has been hurt... driven off, but not hurt.
Originally posted by Ext@nt
Darkseid can effectively kill what I will reffer to as the Phoenix "Husk". I agree he cannot kill the Phoenix Force. but he could drive it off.
You do realize this is a vs fight, don't you?
That means that Phoenix is going to be going after Darkseid, while Darkseid attempts to erase her to no avail.
I don't think in a full on fight where Phoenix is already a phsycopath, and do you see any option in this fight where it says, "Phoenix will sacrifice her for the X-Men/Scott"?
I don't either, because that is usually how she loses.

Didn't a weaker Phoenix knock over Galactus, and all that shanagans?
I'de bring up Wolverine, but then you would also be claiming that Wolverine has beat Lobo, slit the shit out of Thanos, Thing, Surfer (what if), etc. That would be like Batman beating Darkseid under his own powers, and me bringing it up in this thread?

Now, pre tell again, how Darkseid is going to beat her? If all you have is the OE, then I don't think Darkseid has a chance really.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Ext@nt
Then your giving allot of credit top the many Weapons and Starships that have fried her and wounded the Force over the years.

Plenty of villains have done plenty of damage to Supes also. So what's your point? The OE won't work on a being that's essential to the universe, it's as simple as that.

Ext@nt Restricted

Well other less powerful beams have done the job.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Ext@nt
Well other less powerful beams have done the job.

That may be, but his won't work. It's that simple.

great_dane Senior Member

DS ftw

if not being able to control her mind or erase her from existance, which he can probably easily do, he can simply transmute her into anything he pleased, this being anywhere from a hamster to a strand of lint.

I'm not undermining pheonixes powers, but to compare them to a being such as darkseid isnt fair

bigbran Dead

Originally posted by Ext@nt
Well other less powerful beams have done the job.
Do you see prep, or the Shi'ar, X-Men in this thread?

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by great_dane
DS ftw

if not being able to control her mind or erase her from existance, which he can probably easily do, he can simply transmute her into anything he pleased, this being anywhere from a hamster to a strand of lint.

I'm not undermining pheonixes powers, but to compare them to a being such as darkseid isnt fair


The OE won't work on DP.

bigbran Dead

Originally posted by great_dane
DS ftw

if not being able to control her mind or erase her from existance, which he can probably easily do, he can simply transmute her into anything he pleased, this being anywhere from a hamster to a strand of lint.

I'm not undermining pheonixes powers, but to compare them to a being such as darkseid isnt fair

No, I don't mean to be rude, but why don't you read this thread, and see how stupid really your answer is.
Phoenix can't be erased by him. She is essential to the universe.
I doubt he will beat her in a mind battle either.
No, I'm not even going to deal with you.
You also said that Darkseid could make 1 million Zoom's to fight Galactus.

Ext@nt Restricted

Define "essential" to the universe? you guys throw that term around allot and I'm 90% sure I get what you mean I just wanna make sure.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Ext@nt
Define "essential" to the universe? you guys throw that term around allot and I'm 90% sure I get what you mean I just wanna make sure.

"Necessary(for what ever reason)"

Roldz MAJIN_OVERLORD

Originally posted by great_dane
DS ftw

if not being able to control her mind or erase her from existance, which he can probably easily do, he can simply transmute her into anything he pleased, this being anywhere from a hamster to a strand of lint.

I'm not undermining pheonixes powers, but to compare them to a being such as darkseid isnt fair


If he cant transmute Supes, No way he can transmute a force of nature on a cosmic scale, whose essential to marvel universe... Itd probably be the other way around..

great_dane Senior Member

he can create life and matter from absolutely nothing as well as destroy it just as easily. being able to break apart molecules of any organisms without even touching them. the oe is a very powerfull attack, but is mostly used for teleporting others to any part of the universe he pleases. erasing them from existence and bringing them back if he pleases is an ability he has. he can erase pheonix from existance before she thought of anything to do

Ext@nt Restricted
Originally posted by darthgoober
"Necessary(for what ever reason)"

I ment more the context ofthe word, is she a part of the Universe itself?

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by great_dane
he can create life and matter from absolutely nothing as well as destroy it just as easily. being able to break apart molecules of any organisms without even touching them. the oe is a very powerfull attack, but is mostly used for teleporting others to any part of the universe he pleases. erasing them from existence and bringing them back if he pleases is an ability he has. he can erase pheonix from existance before she thought of anything to do

No he can't. She's essential to the universe(as much if not more so than Supes), so it won't work on her anymore than it will work on him.

Roldz MAJIN_OVERLORD

Phoenix can do all that as well as repair a universe...
But you cant see that so you win... Its pointless...

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Ext@nt
I ment more the context ofthe word, is she a part of the Universe itself?

She's one of the fundamental forces of the universe. Ask Mr. M if you need further explanation(it gets complicated).

Anyway, I have a job a need to apply for in the morning, so we'll have to pick all this up tomorrow.

Ext@nt Restricted

Darth or BB, by essential do you mean part of the universe as in it can't function without it?

great_dane Senior Member

he resurected dark pheonix from the deaed and in attempt to stop him from finding out the ALE, she had herself sacrificed. if hes powerfull enough to resurect someone "essential" to the universe, i think he can easily erase her from it. not only that, but the only way to stop him was by sacrificing herself, which did not kill darkseid. this is lame by the way, if she sacrificed herself, whats stoping him from saying
" whats her beef?? let me ask again"
and reasurecting her again?

he's way to powerfull for her