Originally posted by MattDay
No there arent that many heroes in dc and marvel that can beat superman, there are alot of heroes below thor and thor lost to superman... shove that up ur marvel loving ass
Now you're just being an a$$hole.
When i say cosmic Spidey will beat Supes I'm being realistic and it doesn't make me huge marvel fan.
And I can give you a list of dozens characters that'd beat Superman from both marvel and dc.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Based on absolutely nothing.There is the problem in this debate.
Not neccessairily. CS wasnt around long enough to gauge a true scope of his abilities, which is why as stated, using the knoweldge of the uni force and general spiderman knoweldge. Otherwise With that thinking, itd be hard to debate Full Powered galactus as well.
Although, im not passing any judgement on who would win this fight because of my lack of CS knoweldge
Originally posted by darthgoober
Now I'm not doubting what your saying, but remember that I'm having to work off what's posted on the respect thread.Now here are the scans that have been provided...
Now if anyone else has any other scans that the threat, or damage is real, I'll be more than willing to accept them. But from the scans that I have access to, all I see is Supes referring to it as a phantom. I also see that even though Supes was able to do it faster than he did with Dominus, he STILL needed to take the time to center himself and prepare the effect. Also, I see Supes stating that he has to stay calm and concentrate, which is going to be extremely difficult with Spidey blasting away on him.
Once again, I'll accept any other proof anyone is able to provide, I 'm just working with what's been displayed on the respect thread.
It's come to my attention that he also used T-Vo instantly against Adversary and Blaze (who is Surfer +).
Ok, let's just try to clear up the whole 'Basic Info' thing shall we...
Basic knowledge
Each side receives basic knowledge of the other. A good measure of this would be what the general population of the character's homeworld knows. For example, that Superman has a weakness to Kryptonite is general knowledge, but that he's Clark Kent is not.
Now no, it's NOT mentioned that his opponents know about his weakness to red sun radiation. HOWEVER, what everyone seems to be forgetting, is that Supes is DC's #1 hero icon, in AND out of comics. That fame would actually work AGAINST him here on the forum, because there's very little about him(outside of things involving his secret identity) that's NOT known by the general populous. His fights are always ending up on TV, and Lois has done COUNTLESS articles about him, so it's reasonable to assume that the majority of DC DOES know about the whole red sun thing.
Originally posted by darthgooberNo, most of DC does not know the red sun thing. Only a handful of people do.
Ok, let's just try to clear up the whole 'Basic Info' thing shall we...Basic knowledge
Each side receives basic knowledge of the other. A good measure of this would be what the general population of the character's homeworld knows. For example, that Superman has a weakness to Kryptonite is general knowledge, but that he's Clark Kent is not.
Now no, it's NOT mentioned that his opponents know about his weakness to red sun radiation. HOWEVER, what everyone seems to be forgetting, is that Supes is DC's #1 hero icon, in AND out of comics. That fame would actually work AGAINST him here on the forum, because there's very little about him(outside of things involving his secret identity) that's NOT known by the general populous. His fights are always ending up on TV, and Lois has done COUNTLESS articles about him, so it's reasonable to assume that the majority of DC DOES know about the whole red sun thing.
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterThank you. We're trying to hammer this one home. EVEN IF RED SUN RADIATION AIN'T COMMON KNOWLEDGE, SPIDEY WILL STILL KNOW BECAUSE OF HIS COSMIC AWARENESS.
Only weaknesses that are common knowledge are common knowledge, but not every single one. K-nite is a common one, Red Sun might or might not be.There's still cosmic awareness however.
Originally posted by brainchild81LIKE IT WOULD WORK ANYWAYS.
Thank you. We're trying to hammer this one home. EVEN IF RED SUN RADIATION AIN'T COMMON KNOWLEDGE, SPIDEY WILL STILL KNOW BECAUSE OF HIS COSMIC AWARENESS.
That stuff only works in Elseworlds. lol.
Kal has flown through Red Suns on more than one occasion.
After being under a red sun for a good amount of time, with a blast of heat vision he generated enough power to move a planet.
What's Spidey going to do keep Supes from simply KOing him with an effortless blow.
Originally posted by brainchild81I'm saying he's easily overcome them, and it's easily as viable proofwise as saying Spidey would know his weakness, if not moreso. Especially since it's actually been on panel.
Ultra Spidey sense plus increased speed means that won't be as easy as it seems. Spideys already moving and shooting him before the punch has been thrown. Are you guys saying that Supes doesn't have weaknesses anymore?
Cosmic Awareness isn't one of Captain Universes' listed powers on the page given. Only knowledge of imminent danger.
How fast is Spidey with Captain Universe?
I know it grants him flight, but Supes in a moment of rage is vastly over lightspeed in multiples.
And although Spidey's strength and durability would increase, 50 times isn't going to put him up with Superman by any means, a long shot from it.
In fact, it's easy to believe heat vision could put Spidey out of the fight in my mind.
