Originally posted by darthgooberI'll accept that, if you accept that Batman is up in a league with Captain Marvel and Superman, like he is portrayed in comics. 😉So your saying that what Spidey has been shown to be able to do consistantly when he fights the Hulk is PIS, but when Supes has been shown to take down people out of his league it's valid?
Originally posted by Soleran
Has he vibrated through promethium?
It was Slade's staff. He melted it w/ his heat vision.
Originally posted by Soleran
Against SBP Kryptonite certainly affected him, although not instantly and I fail to see how it wouldn't in this discussion especially being immersed in it for a period of time AND kryptonite has penetrated Superman so Cosmic Spiderman encases Superman in an adamantium shell with kryptonite spikes that go through Superman, he dies.
You mean after flying through an asteroid field of kryptonite, then flying through a red sun, and then fighting SBP in a knee-deep area of kryptonite? Yeah... sure.
He beat Eclipso while exposed to red sun radiation and k-nite at the same exact time. Didn't affect him.
He went in a ship completely laced w/ kryptonite and completely beat the shit out of the villain in there. Didn't affect him.
There are so many other times K-nite has been nothing more than an utter annoyance, it's hard to keep track.
And listen to what you're saying. You're thinking up this intricate plan for Spider-man to win this. That MIGHT work if Superman just stands there and let's it happen. HELL NO. He's going to be in Spider-man's face unrelentingly striking him w/ fierce blows. Spider-man would be too caught up in the battle to PLAN (yeah... that's right. What you're talking about seems like a good thing for PREP time. He isn't going to be given that kind of time in this fight) for Superman's demise.
Or Superman could simply punch Spider-man w/o letting up until he's soup. That's something that would take a considerable less amount of time than what you have in store for Spider-man. All the ways you've been thinking up for Spider-man are no good in a combat situation. Superman has the means to end the fight quickly. Spider-man just doesn't.
Superman ftw.
Originally posted by darthgoober
I have a question, I was reading up on k-nite on wiki again, and I noticed this..."Later, in the comic Superman/Batman, a large cache of kryptonite of various hues, similar to the pre-Crisis varieties, was found on Earth, and most of it was collected and stored by the Justice League and Justice Society; what effects these varieties of kryptonite will have on future Superman stories remains uncertain."
So was there ever anything revealed about all that stuff?(I didn't read that arc, I'm honestly asking)
Originally posted by EntityThis was already handled earlier in the thread. Post Crisis there is no kryptonite that permanently gets rid of powers that has been verified in panel. That was in a different universe than currently continuity entirely since the collapse of the multiverse into a universe in COIE, then the expansion and recollapse into New Universe in Infinite Crisis.
They don't don't wanna talk about that because that, once again, acknowledges that Gold Kryptonite does exist in the post-crisis DCU.
Originally posted by darthgooberProbably, both are flagship characters.
Cool, I gotta see that.But let me ask you this, has he shown to be able to do that kind of thing without prep as often as Spidey's taken shots from the Hulk?
Did you ever notice that Spidey swinging on a web was knocking Thanos around in one of those old battles?
By their consistant showings of durability, it wouldn't take someone of Hulk calibre to put Spidey down. And if it wasn't between two flagship characters, it shouldn't take more than one angry full fledged punch.
I remember a fight being posted a while back of Spidey dodging between Hulk's blows and hitting him from all angles, trying to overwhelm him, then Hulk got mad and it was fight over.
This is what I'm saying, Batman has been shown as capable of handling blows from 100 tonners too, but when someone brings it up "PIS!!! YOU FANBOY!!!" regardless of how many times he's done it. Supes in the other hand, punches people across the solar system with a full fledged punch. Who's showing are we to take?
Originally posted by Juntai
Probably, both are flagship characters.Did you ever notice that Spidey swinging on a web was knocking Thanos around in one of those old battles?
Originally posted by darthgooberThat's what you're not getting -- that is how Supes is potrayed now. An unstoppable wrecking machine.
Yes, and since you guys are useing ALL Supes high end feats, while ignoring all his low end feats, it's only fair to do the same with Spidey.
A large portion of those feats being listed or shown are from the last few years alone, not all time highs.
Originally posted by Juntai
That's what you're not getting -- that is how Supes is potrayed now. An unstoppable wrecking machine.A large portion of those feats being listed or shown are from the last few years alone, not all time highs.
Originally posted by Juntai
Matter of fact, bring in the scans of Spidey and Hulk, so we can take this more into context, because it certainly doesn't level out when he can't even keep Captain America on the ropes, while Hulk can beat both of them with one arm.
Originally posted by darthgooberHe's been that way since the build up for Our Worlds At War.
Yes but has there been any explanation of his power increase, or did they just start writing him as being more powerful? Without an explanation, it contridicts past showings so it's still high end(even if it's current).
And no, it's not just high end if it's the way he's been portrayed for a few years now.
And Supes power increases all the time, it has to do with his time in the sun. He's gotten progressively stronger issue to issue since 1985.
But in that buildup--He had extensive training with Eradicator and Mongol through that period, training in Kryptonian techniques [where he got Torqasm Vo and such.] and in the ability to use all of his powers at once and to maximum effect.
Also recently he learned that he not only draws upon power that has already been stored in him, but he actually draws it from neaby stars himself acting as a funnel as he stresses. Giving him potentially no limit to any of his abilities, in a similar manner that Hulk gets stronger with rage, only Supes has far more abilities all of which increase exponentially.
Also in that story, Superman melded for a time with DC's version of Eternity, Kismet, and then one-punched a Galactus type being.
Then again went and did his famous 'sundip" and started pushing a planet around.
It's tough to tell which moment did it, but certainly, he's been portrayed as nearly unbeatable since.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Cool, I gotta see that.But let me ask you this, has he shown to be able to do that kind of thing without prep as often as Spidey's taken shots from the Hulk?
A lot more, actually.
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